The Shrine

Well, I have played 4 more of them now.

Street Fighter 2 - This game was purchased for multiplayer purposes, it actually is not really that bad. Though it does leave a lot to be desired, Ryu and Ken are terribly over-powered, the single player mode on the hardest difficulty is not overly difficult with either of them. Overall, this game is decent for about an hour to five hours, but then it gets tiring. In the end, this has become a sort of a drinking game, but due to the fast reflex times and button combos required, not a particularly good one. Wii Sports bowling is the best game available for that purpose.

Ice Hockey - A lot of fun, though the lack of stat tracking elements leaves a lot to be desired. In the end this has become a drinking game. It is much more fun of a drinking game because of its relative simplicity, and the humour involved. Like Street Fighter, this one is worth five hours or less.

Urban Champion - This one was a mistake. It is ONLY good while drinking, it is a very early fighting game where the only two moves are a punch to the chin and a kick to the junk. In fact, if you play it while sober, you will hate it immediately, because you'll find out it sucks.

Super Castlevania - Has held up VERY well with time. This game stands up to the 2D platformers of today, and exceeds many of them on a lot of levels. Though the technical aspects are below the DS and PSX Castlevania games, the gameplay certainly exceeds any one of them. Personally I find the game to be a lot more fun than any of the later games in the series. It was actually more fun than I remember it being; similar to Zelda 2 when I played it on the Zelda Gamecube collection disc. I can't wait for Faxanadu and future Castlevania titles.

So right now, as it stands, Gunstar Heroes and Super Castlevania, both excellent choices for those who use the VC.

Haha, i remember getting Urban Champion as a kid when it was already an old game and yeah, it sucks something fierce.

Nintendo keeps releasing Urban Champion even though it blows and no one likes it. Didn't it get a release on the GBA Classic NES series?

I've bought:

Ice Hockey - good for nostalgia. I suck a lot more than I did when I originally played it on the NES. It's still a fun game. I have yet to get one of those super huge fights going though.

Wario's Woods - This game is a lot of fun, if you like puzzle games. It's like Dr. Mario but you place the pieces falling from the top by controlling Toad at the bottom. He literally walks around and picks up the blocks and sets them back to create rows of similar colored pieces. It can get really intense in the higher levels.

Gunstar Heroes - This game is really fun. It's like Contra but with bad guys coming at you from every direction. It's really hard too, at least to me. You can run, jump, climb, hang from ledges, and pick up different weapon types.

Bomberman 93 - It's your basic Bomberman. I am going to try to get some 3 player going tonight.

Tell me how Bomberman is, I have been considering it since before I got the system. On Ice Hockey, I LOVE how they have USSR as a team in it =) Urban Champion? I am keeping it on my system just as a reminder that I own one of the worst games ever.

Wario's Woods I would get if I didn't already have the game on the original Animal Crossing.

Bomberman is a lot of fun. I actually got some multiplayer going last night. 2 friends and I were battling in 5-player (with 2 computer characters). It's not as good as Super Bomberman for the SNES, but it's still really fun. I haven't played any of the single player yet. I might some this weekend.

Lox wrote:Bomberman is a lot of fun. I actually got some multiplayer going last night. 2 friends and I were battling in 5-player (with 2 computer characters). It's not as good as Super Bomberman for the SNES, but it's still really fun. I haven't played any of the single player yet. I might some this weekend.

They REALLY needs to include WiFi multiplayer in these old games. Nintendo has such an amazing thing on their hands with the Virtual Console. They could do SOOO much more than just release ROMs (they could upgrades the games, online multi, leaderboards, challenges, even original games or remakes of NES games on N64 or something) I hope to hell they don't throw away the opportunity.

But knowing them, they will.

They did state that there was going to be updated game features and original software for the VC later on. When that will be, I have no idea, it might be this spring, it might be 2009.

Online multiplayer in old games would be my #1 request from Nintendo. Being able to play a game like Bomberman or Mario Kart 64 online against other people would rock!

Lox wrote:Online multiplayer in old games would be my #1 request from Nintendo. Being able to play a game like Bomberman or Mario Kart 64 online against other people would rock!

That would rock! Though Hudson would have to manage the bomberman thing. I would really like for a re-release of Secret of Evermore with multiplayer; that was one thing that kept the game back. As a single player game I liked it more than any of Square's other titles in the genre.

Just a heads up, the Wii News Channel launched today. I haven't had a chance to take a look at it yet, I will tomorrow morning.

Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past has launched (last Monday). I know there are a lot of fans of that one here.
Super Mario World (!!!!!!EXCITEMENT!!!!!!) launches Monday according to very strong rumours.
Mario Kart 64 will be the next N64 title to launch, that should be soon.
Donkey Kong Country is also rumoured to be released very soon.

The VC looks like it will begin picking up steam very very shortly from Nintendo's side. Mario World and Mario Kart 64 are both instant purchases for me.

VC is very slow IMO. Very few games from third companies (where's Konami? Namco? Square? Even Capcom only has one or two). With about 3000 games to choose from, they should be coming out much faster.

And they really need to make their "original VC games" channel or whatever the fuck they want to call it. It would be amazing IMO.

And why can't they add a virtual GB as well? You can't play them on the DS, so they should just take advantage of it. It's not like anyone can find Metroid 2 anymore....

That's the one part of the Wii I think is disappointing, the VC. The other channels are surprisingly good, but the VC leaves something to be desired

I doubt any Square games will show up on the VC. They make too much money from the remakes.

Screw Square games, I want Rare games! GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, etc!

bah.....as soon as they add terranigma that's when I'll snag me a vc game. until then I'll just stick to jesus.......

and by the way....

are you ass holes bad enough to save the president

Zeus wrote:VC is very slow IMO. Very few games from third companies (where's Konami? Namco? Square? Even Capcom only has one or two). With about 3000 games to choose from, they should be coming out much faster.

And they really need to make their "original VC games" channel or whatever the fuck they want to call it. It would be amazing IMO.

And why can't they add a virtual GB as well? You can't play them on the DS, so they should just take advantage of it. It's not like anyone can find Metroid 2 anymore....

That's the one part of the Wii I think is disappointing, the VC. The other channels are surprisingly good, but the VC leaves something to be desired

I thought you weren't interested in the Virtual Console, so why even bother coming into this thread to say you're dissapointed in it?

You have to keep in mind, the Nintendo Wii just launched, and they do release 1-5 titles per Monday here in North America due to the marketing plan they outlined back in the autumn.

On Gameboy: who says they can't add Gameboy?

On original VC titles: it's been announced a half a million times already.

On titles from third party companies: Mostly all the titles are fro third party companies, it is the first and second party titles that everyone is waiting for.

Capcom: Street Fighter 2, and Super Ghouls N Ghosts

Konami: Super Castlevania, Contra III, and Gradius.

Namco: this was kind of funny: exactly WHAT do you think Namco released for NES, TG16, Genesis, SNES, or N64? Do you want Namco Museum THAT badly?

As for Square: it is quite well known that they have re-released most of their entire library avialable on NES and SNES. Super Mario RPG, Breath of Fire, Secret of Mana, and Secret of Evermore are the only games I expect to see on the VC in the near future.

So I don't know what the deal is with your post, but it sounded quite ignorant to me. Mainly because you're supposed to be someone who knows about games (you tried to make a career out of it) and demonstrated less knowledge about gaming than a casual gamer.

Chris Hansbrough wrote:are you ass holes bad enough to save the president

Haha, I know the game is bad, but I will still probably get it once it's released just for the opening screen, it will be worth the 5 dollars =P

Are you <i>sure</i> you want GoldenEye? The years have not been kind.

Kupek wrote:Are you <i>sure</i> you want GoldenEye? The years have not been kind.

I could see that. Going back to using one analog stick would be torture after playing... well, any console FPS in the last six years.

Kupek wrote:Are you <i>sure</i> you want GoldenEye? The years have not been kind.

It's still a game that casual gamers pick up and play; kind of like the original Mario Kart (which is also one that the years have not been kind to; much worse than Goldeneye).

Yeah, I'm sure. I still have my 64, it's just really old and someone spilled Kool-Aid on it so it sometimes doesn't work. I've played GoldenEye a bit and for the nostalgia of blowing through the levels, it'd be worth it.

I think that Halo long ago replaced GoldenEye as the shooter casual players like to pick up and play.

In general, though, I find that SNES games have aged more gracefully than N64 and PS games. For example, LttP has aged better than Ocarina, and FF6 has aged better than FF7.

Kupek wrote:I think that Halo long ago replaced GoldenEye as the shooter casual players like to pick up and play.

In general, though, I find that SNES games have aged more gracefully than N64 and PS games. For example, LttP has aged better than Ocarina, and FF6 has aged better than FF7.

I disagree on Link to the Past and Ocarina of Time. I played through both of them this autumn, and find that Ocarina of Time is on a whole different level than Link to the Past, just like Link to the Past is on a whole different level from the original Zelda.

I think a very good example is Mario Kart to Mario Kart 64. Mario Kart 64 would sell millions if released for the first time today in exactly the same form as it was on N64 (well, you know, with a Wii disc instead of an N64 cartridge), but the original Mario Kart would not sell more than 300,000; and to further convince my point this would be under the assumption that Mario Kart 64 priced at $39.99 and the original at $19.99. Though, in all honesty, Mario Kart 64 is probably the only game on the system that could get away with that; 10 bucks will be an excellent price for the title. I am going to predict right now that it will sell millions on the VC and be the top selling game. Mario Kart 64 has aged better than any game from its time period and before; that is my argument =)

Final Fantasy 6 vs. Final Fantasy 7 is a bit unfair. FF7 aged better than FF4, and FF8 and 9 aged better (very easily) than FF6. I think that if all of these games were released for the first time today, on a VC-like format, that FF8 would sell the best.

Though I will admit that most of the big-name later SNES games (from 95-96) have aged very gracefully, look at the DKC series, Mario RPG, Chrono Trigger, Kirby Superstar, and Terranigma for example. The earlier games (Such as Mario Kart, Street Fighter 2: The World Warrior, and such) have not aged well, with the few exceptions of Mario World, Castlevania 4, and Mario Allstars (great game).

I disagree with your love of mario kart 64. The auto-catchup system in that game just drives me insane. Sure, it does a great job in creating a constant challenge for someone who is amazingly good at the game, but it makes the game too easy for people that suck at it because they can just use the auto-catchup to slingshot themselves into first..... It reduces the emphasis on skill and creates an emphasis on luck of the draw for items and also who happens to be able to slingshot themselves into first at the end of the race... Urgh..... that game is retarded.

bovine wrote:I disagree with your love of mario kart 64. The auto-catchup system in that game just drives me insane. Sure, it does a great job in creating a constant challenge for someone who is amazingly good at the game, but it makes the game too easy for people that suck at it because they can just use the auto-catchup to slingshot themselves into first..... It reduces the emphasis on skill and creates an emphasis on luck of the draw for items and also who happens to be able to slingshot themselves into first at the end of the race... Urgh..... that game is retarded.

You can't disagree with my love for a game unless you can read my mind, and there is no reason why I should have a motive to lie about my love of a 10 year old game =P

Call me crazy, but I don't remember any of these problems in Mario Kart 64, just to check, I made a scan over a few reviews and didn't find any mention of this stuff. Funny (but expected) thing I have found is that the more recent reviews (from 2003 and onward) rate it higher than the older reviews of it; and they are also higher than the Gamecube Mario Kart released in that time period. The older reviews I noticed had a very strong tone of anti-N64 bias within them; which I found strange.

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/197860.asp

Either way, I am willing to bet that at year end it will be reported as the #1 VC title (maybe even before that, depending when Nintendo decides to release such a chart), and will remain there for the duration of the system's life. That is my prediction.

Concerning Mario Kart:

MK 64 and MK:DD for the Cube can both be a little too noob friendly. If I was playing 4-player with three other decent players (I'm pro in Double Dash), I could still end up losing on the last lap by getting lightninged or blue shelled multiple times. I've been blue shelled four times in one lap in Double Dash before. My hope with the Wii version is that the occurance of the overpowered weapons (blues, lightnings) is toned down and the koopas' special (3 red shells) is weakened or more rare

LttP vs. OoT some years later:

I think what Kup meant was that the pretty, clean looking sprites of LttP are easier on the eyes than the first (second?) generation of N64 graphics in OoT (pointy and blurry). Either that, or that OoT can seem sluggish compared to Wind Waker or TP.

This 1up article about new VC games makes mention of

"Mario Kart 64 (Nintendo): Powerslide your way to victory. At least until the cheap rubber band AI swipes victory from the jaws of fairness, anyway. It'll be interesting to see how the sprite-and-polygon visuals look on Virtual Console, which seems to clean up the N64's inherently muddy graphics."

it is this "rubber band AI" that I refer to. It makes no mention to my claim of actual players doing it.... which could truly just be my imagination. Yeah, sorry about doubting your love for mario kart, I was trying to say that it wasn't all that good. I would even say it is the worst mario kart. I don't so much like the NES one, but I think it's better than the n64 sequel and that the Gameboy Advance kart was pretty awesome.

Kupek wrote:I think that Halo long ago replaced GoldenEye as the shooter casual players like to pick up and play.

In general, though, I find that SNES games have aged more gracefully than N64 and PS games. For example, LttP has aged better than Ocarina, and FF6 has aged better than FF7.

Just wait until the PC version of Goldeneye is up and running. There are guys working on it right now. Some multi is up but I'm not yet sure of the functionality. If they get that going for online multi, tons of people will flock to it

LttP has aged better graphically 'cause the sprites are ageless whereas N64/PSX 3D graphics, regardless of how good they may have been at the time, pale in comparison to what is available now. But Ocarina to me is a better game. I loved LttP but Ocarina is one of the top 5 games ever made IMO. There was so much amazing about it that only now games of that type are up to that level. It completely redefined the 3D adventure game and still remains one of the best ones.

Black Lotus wrote:I think what Kup meant was that the pretty, clean looking sprites of LttP are easier on the eyes than the first (second?) generation of N64 graphics in OoT (pointy and blurry). Either that, or that OoT can seem sluggish compared to Wind Waker or TP.

Bingo. Same goes for FF6 and the PS FFs. N64 and PS graphics just haven't aged as gracefully as the SNES.

Zeus wrote: Just wait until the PC version of Goldeneye is up and running. There are guys working on it right now. Some multi is up but I'm not yet sure of the functionality. If they get that going for online multi, tons of people will flock to it

Are you referring to Goldeneye Source? I've been putting off buying Half Life 2 for a while, but I guess I'll be picking it up thanks to this.

Torgo wrote:

Zeus wrote: Just wait until the PC version of Goldeneye is up and running. There are guys working on it right now. Some multi is up but I'm not yet sure of the functionality. If they get that going for online multi, tons of people will flock to it

Are you referring to Goldeneye Source? I've been putting off buying Half Life 2 for a while, but I guess I'll be picking it up thanks to this.

Yeah, that's the one.

Black Lotus wrote:Concerning Mario Kart:

MK 64 and MK:DD for the Cube can both be a little too noob friendly. If I was playing 4-player with three other decent players (I'm pro in Double Dash), I could still end up losing on the last lap by getting lightninged or blue shelled multiple times. I've been blue shelled four times in one lap in Double Dash before. My hope with the Wii version is that the occurance of the overpowered weapons (blues, lightnings) is toned down and the koopas' special (3 red shells) is weakened or more rare

LttP vs. OoT some years later:

I think what Kup meant was that the pretty, clean looking sprites of LttP are easier on the eyes than the first (second?) generation of N64 graphics in OoT (pointy and blurry). Either that, or that OoT can seem sluggish compared to Wind Waker or TP.

Well, the Wii version will probably allow the option for turning off certain types of items in non main game GP modes. I think the main reason why I like the N64 version the best is because it has awesome tracks, and the graphics are fairly pretty, there is something about all the other versions of the game that just do not look appealing. It's not like Mario Kart 64's graphics are advanced or snything, Starfox 64 was WAY ahead graphically, released about the same time; it is just that they are pleasing to the eye. The main thing is that I really like the tracks and the fact that people are always willing to play that game. The GBA Mario Kart is decent, but the graphics are a little off, the tracks are fairly good though. The Gamecube one, I just didn't like the tracks, it is as simple as that, many of them are WAY too short. The original Mario Kart runs WAY too slowly, has ugly graphics, bad frame rate, and the tracks are not very diverse. I have no beef with the DS or N64 verions, and enjoy both of them, I just prefer the N64 version (for some reason which I can't even think of right now; I think it is that more people are familiar with it, and anyone can pick up a controller and play, whereas only DS owners play the DS Mario Kart, so I usually only play it over in the student center).

I can see what you mean about the N64 version of Ocarina of Time, I played them all on the Gamecube disks which upgraded the resolution from (according to the traditional terms from the 90's) from medium to high res. The N64 version of Majoras Mask is graphically a step up from Ocarina of Time, and any re-releases of Ocarina of Time will probably utilize the same resolution of the Gamecube version. Though I have no lans to get any games for the VC that I already have on Gamecube (The Zeldas, the Sonics, the Megamans, etc..).

downloading Mario Kart 64 and Contra III today =)

Comix Zone is also out and I am considering it for a download later.

I would have posted yesterday, but I spent the day and night plying it.

SUPER MARIO WORLD IS OUT!

Downloaded the game, and played two players for like 7+ hours; I forgot how much there was to this game. Overall, I quite enjoyed it, one of the best gameplay experienes available.

Though I do warn, if you do not have a classic controller, this game is a good enough excuse to buy a couple of them. The game is not possible to play using the Gamecube controller due to running and jumping button combos, the big A button in the middle is the spin jump, and it separates the X, Y, and B buttons, which prevents a typical run and rump combo. Though the classic controller is absolutely perfect.

The game also offered a lot more challenge than I remember it offering. I totally expected to blow rigt through it without problems, but there are some very difficult levels. We still have a few more left to go, several exits on levels we have completed, plus 5 Secret World Levels.

Some of the levels I remember being extremely hard were a lot easier than I remembered: the Ghost Ship, I got through on my first try; and the Castle on the edge of the Fifth World Forest which led to Star Road I got on my third try (I remember it taking me forever to get through it before).

Romance of the THree Kingdoms Part 4 is coming out soon. I have the cartridge for part 3, and I played part 4 on a rental. Does anyone know how the two games compare? I quite enjoyed the third one.

Romance 4 came out for the SNES? I didn't know that. I played the PS version of it and it was VASTLY superior to the SNES version of RotTK3.

Yeah man, Romance of the Three Kingdoms 2-5 are on SNES, wasn't part 6 the PSX one? Then part 7 came out for PS2?

Anyways, I played part 4 on SNES, but that was like 12 years ago, and only for a day. I do remember it being better, but I might have got it backwards. Glad to know the good version is coming out =)

So it's either part 4 for 8 bucks or part 11 for 60 bucks (later this summer, I am waiting for the Wii version because I am hoping they will update the game) or a combination of the two of them.

ZOMG Kid Icarus AND Kirby's Adventure!

4 was on both systems (also the Saturn) and 6 was on the PS1. I don't remember seeing 5... I think they skipped that one in the US. And yeah, 7 was for the PS2.

I just fired up Snes9x for the first time in forever. The SNES version of 4 is garbage compared to the PS one. Graphics and sound are worse, the options are either fewer or more condensed (I didn't bother to look through them all), and there's a lot of waiting between turns (Cao Cao's turn took 10 seconds in one scenario with about 10 cities).

Black Lotus wrote:4 was on both systems (also the Saturn) and 6 was on the PS1. I don't remember seeing 5... I think they skipped that one in the US. And yeah, 7 was for the PS2.

I just fired up Snes9x for the first time in forever. The SNES version of 4 is garbage compared to the PS one. Graphics and sound are worse, the options are either fewer or more condensed (I didn't bother to look through them all), and there's a lot of waiting between turns (Cao Cao's turn took 10 seconds in one scenario with about 10 cities).

I checked out reviews of the SNES version, and all of them have said that part 4 is better than part 3, and scored part 4 on SNES very highly. This will be a good purpose, sounds like it sucks running on emulation software.

bovine wrote:ZOMG Kid Icarus AND Kirby's Adventure!

AHHHHHH! YES!!!! I am getting Kid Icarus tonight =)

I wasn't comparing it to the SNES version of 3. I was comparing it to the PS version of 4. I'm sure the SNES version of 4 is better than the SNES version of 3, although I can't be bothered to wade through either of them at this point. The series evolves like sports games only the new installments don't necessarily come every year. I wouldn't play NHL 98 over NHL 2007 like I wouldn't play RTK 2 over RTK 6. The objectives are basically the same but these types of games generally get better with time.
But at $8, the SNES version of 4 is a bargain anyway.

Black Lotus wrote:I wasn't comparing it to the SNES version of 3. I was comparing it to the PS version of 4. I'm sure the SNES version of 4 is better than the SNES version of 3, although I can't be bothered to wade through either of them at this point. The series evolves like sports games only the new installments don't necessarily come every year. I wouldn't play NHL 98 over NHL 2007 like I wouldn't play RTK 2 over RTK 6. The objectives are basically the same but these types of games generally get better with time.
But at $8, the SNES version of 4 is a bargain anyway.

Heh, the best one was NHL 93 =P
Though, I will buy the game NHL Stanley Cup if it is released for VC, I loved that game

Black Lotus wrote:I wasn't comparing it to the SNES version of 3. I was comparing it to the PS version of 4. I'm sure the SNES version of 4 is better than the SNES version of 3, although I can't be bothered to wade through either of them at this point. The series evolves like sports games only the new installments don't necessarily come every year. I wouldn't play NHL 98 over NHL 2007 like I wouldn't play RTK 2 over RTK 6. The objectives are basically the same but these types of games generally get better with time.
But at $8, the SNES version of 4 is a bargain anyway.

Truth.

I lost my PS versions of RotTK 4 TWICE, once to just basic noob knowledge of taking care of my discs, and the 2nd time to a goddamn hurricane.

OK, I have not got Kid Icarus yet. Rumour has it (from some of my friends) that the game wasn't/isn't that good, can anyone here verify this?

Alright, some info on VC titles. Nintendo is apparently in the business of releasing patches for VC games to update them, so I wouldn't be surprised to see future upgrades on popular titles. For example, they just released an update for the VC TG16 title Military Madness which fixed some glitches in the software.

The Seeker wrote:OK, I have not got Kid Icarus yet. Rumour has it (from some of my friends) that the game wasn't/isn't that good, can anyone here verify this?

A ROM would verify that quite quickly, I would think.

Oracle wrote:

The Seeker wrote:OK, I have not got Kid Icarus yet. Rumour has it (from some of my friends) that the game wasn't/isn't that good, can anyone here verify this?

A ROM would verify that quite quickly, I would think.

When I was 17 (I had a very good beer :-) and younger it was a great game. Mind you, that was 14 years ago and the SNES and Genesis were coming into their own, so there isn't games like there is now.

But I always thought it was a solid NES platformer.

George Harrison of NoA has stated that we will see some translations of games not previously released in North America. Some titles to look out for are: Terranigma, Earthbound 0 (both have been officially translated, but EB0 only saw a very limited release, and Terranigma had to be imported from Europe), Sin and Punishment, Dragon Quest titles, as well as Fire Emblem titles. Unfortunately it probably won't be for quite some time given that they would need time to translate some of these titles.

Streets of Rage, Donkey Kong Country, New Adventure Island (TG16), and Legend of Kage are out.

Legend of Kage, that was a fast paced NES side scrolling beat-em up, I just remember throwing lots of Ninja stars, and you could throw them on diagonel. I also remember the game being very hard. Though fun. Not sure how it would stand up now. Ninja's kick ass.

Donkey Kong Country is a very good game, probably the first SNES game to really wow people graphically. Part 3 probably had the best level design, but part 1 had the best characters.

New Adventure Island, not sure on this one, but if it is the same as the old ones, it will look very similar to Super Mario Brothers 2, except with different weapons and stuff. Of the 4 games this week, unless this one is significantly better than the older ones, I would say this is the one game of the 4 I would recommend against.

Streets of Rage, if you liked games such as Ninja Turtles (part 2, 3, Genesis, and SNES versions) then you will like this one. It is kind of in the style of those Ninja Turtle and Spider man games, although unlike the Spiderman games, Streets of Rage is actually a lot of fun (as were the Ninja Turtles). The graphical style is more along the lines of Street Fighter 2. It is A LOT of fun with two players. As far as entertainment level goes, I recall liking this one almost as much as the Ninja Turtles games. Streets of Rage 2 is better though, you might want to wait for that one. As far as the comparison to Final Fight go, you'll hear different opinions, personally I like Streets of Rage better.

Seek, don't tell me you buy all of these?