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Ummmm.... street fighter 4 anyone?
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26535.html

PS3 Exclusive to boot.

The question however, 2D, or 3D?

Eric wrote:PS3 Exclusive to boot.

I wouldn't bet on it.

Better be 2D. I'm excited! w00t!

Oracle wrote:I wouldn't bet on it.

Neither me. What's your source on it being PS3 exclusive, Eric? NeoGAF says no platforms have been confirmed yet.

Black Lotus wrote:Better be 2D. I'm excited!

Outlook not so good!

Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:

Oracle wrote:I wouldn't bet on it.

Neither me. What's your source on it being PS3 exclusive, Eric? NeoGAF says no platforms have been confirmed yet.

Black Lotus wrote:Better be 2D. I'm excited!

Outlook not so good!

Based on what? I can see them making it 3D because it would sell better, but I can still hope. If it's 3D I guarantee it'll be garbage.

Also, after listening to the GFW podcast twice, I agree that it's awesome.

It looks really Mortal Kombatish by that trailer. Dark and excessive amounts of gore. I am wondering what the fight mechanics will be like, if they continue with the ridiculous button mashing combo stuff, or if they will make it more strategic?

Dutch wrote:It looks really Mortal Kombatish by that trailer. Dark and excessive amounts of gore. I am wondering what the fight mechanics will be like, if they continue with the ridiculous button mashing combo stuff, or if they will make it more strategic?

.....You're talking about Street Fighter?

Black Lotus wrote:

Dutch wrote:It looks really Mortal Kombatish by that trailer. Dark and excessive amounts of gore. I am wondering what the fight mechanics will be like, if they continue with the ridiculous button mashing combo stuff, or if they will make it more strategic?

.....You're talking about Street Fighter?

Yeah, Street Fighter Alpha 3 and onward has just been button mashers which focus way more on combos than strategy.

Wow, I don't even think you could get away with button mashing with any SF game. Tekken or Mortal Kombat, yeah, maybe, but not SF. All button mashing is going to do is make you lose.

That was true up until Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo. Though Alpha 3 and onward it benefits the player to button mash as it is the easiest way to get tons of combos/power moves. No matter how good you are at any post-Alpha Street Fighter game, if I go up against you and button mash, and you don't, I will beat you.

Sine, I think you know more about the Vs. series than me, so I'll let you field that one. The over-the-top spazz-out nature of the later games (MvC2) may be giving Seeker the notion that it's a button masher.

Street Fighter 3 is in no way about button mashing. If you'd like to test your theory that button mashing beats skill, buy an Xbox and play me in SF3: Third Strike on the SF: Anniversary disc.

You're pulling a Sine here, Seeker: stating your limited experience as fact. And you're way off.

I'll support Lotus on this one. I'm not an enormous SF fan but I've played them enough to have decent experience with them.

It might FEEL like MvC 2 is a button masher, but it's not, not on any level. This ain't Killer Instinct we're talking about here. There's a ginormous difference between someone who knows how to play that game and someone who doesn't. It's still my fav fighter ever 'cause of it's sheer scope, balance, and overall awesomeness. But it ain't no button masher

SF3 was a lot more technical, required a lot more strategy and knowledge of the gameplay and moves to play.

If I recall in Alpha 3 there's this mechanism where if you push some button as you're getting hit you take less damage. So here button smashing is likely to help in that if you are constantly button smashing then you always get the reduced damage versus someone who doesn't know about it. But button smashing certainly isn't a viable way to attack. It is possible if you're not significantly better than the other guy, the extra health he saves from button mashing could make a difference, but that's more of a problem with a relatively unknown game mechanism.

While we're talking about clueless about SF, here's a conversation I had yesterday.

Me: Street Fighter 4 is going to come out!
A: What is Street Fighter? I've never heard of it?
B: What? You've never heard of SF? What rock do you grow up on?
A: So is it a computer game?
B: Yeah!

Don Wang wrote:Me: Street Fighter 4 is going to come out!
A: What is Street Fighter? I've never heard of it?
B: What? You've never heard of SF? What rock do you grow up on?
A: So is it a computer game?
B: Yeah!

Jesus, is your friend 8 years-old?

Zeus wrote:I'll support Lotus on this one. I'm not an enormous SF fan but I've played them enough to have decent experience with them.

It might FEEL like MvC 2 is a button masher, but it's not, not on any level. This ain't Killer Instinct we're talking about here. There's a ginormous difference between someone who knows how to play that game and someone who doesn't. It's still my fav fighter ever 'cause of it's sheer scope, balance, and overall awesomeness. But it ain't no button masher

SF3 was a lot more technical, required a lot more strategy and knowledge of the gameplay and moves to play.

GUHHHH!!!! Dont you dare throw KI into the button mashing pile. While it was def combo'licious (and essentially created the idea of linear combos vs combo breakers within fighting games) it was by no means a button mashing mess. Every combo needed a set openener, continuation, and ender to pull off, none of which you could luckily guess at by mashing, sheesh.

In fact, this whole button mashing debate is silly. Anyone who knows how to play any fighting game well will destroy a newbie who mashes. Maybe the newb can pull off one win, but if you played 20? I think it would be 18-2 at best.

Flip wrote:

Zeus wrote:I'll support Lotus on this one. I'm not an enormous SF fan but I've played them enough to have decent experience with them.

It might FEEL like MvC 2 is a button masher, but it's not, not on any level. This ain't Killer Instinct we're talking about here. There's a ginormous difference between someone who knows how to play that game and someone who doesn't. It's still my fav fighter ever 'cause of it's sheer scope, balance, and overall awesomeness. But it ain't no button masher

SF3 was a lot more technical, required a lot more strategy and knowledge of the gameplay and moves to play.

GUHHHH!!!! Dont you dare throw KI into the button mashing pile. While it was def combo'licious (and essentially created the idea of linear combos vs combo breakers within fighting games) it was by no means a button mashing mess. Every combo needed a set openener, continuation, and ender to pull off, none of which you could luckily guess at by mashing, sheesh.

In fact, this whole button mashing debate is silly. Anyone who knows how to play any fighting game well will destroy a newbie who mashes. Maybe the newb can pull off one win, but if you played 20? I think it would be 18-2 at best.

Eddie Gordo.

Black Lotus wrote:Eddie Gordo.

A newbie mashing buttons playing Eddie Gordo will beat an average player, but should get crushed by somebody competent.

Black Lotus wrote:Sine, I think you know more about the Vs. series than me, so I'll let you field that one. The over-the-top spazz-out nature of the later games (MvC2) may be giving Seeker the notion that it's a button masher.

Street Fighter 3 is in no way about button mashing. If you'd like to test your theory that button mashing beats skill, buy an Xbox and play me in SF3: Third Strike on the SF: Anniversary disc.

You're pulling a Sine here, Seeker: stating your limited experience as fact. And you're way off.

Probably true =)

I have never played SF3: Third Strike.

Dutch wrote:

Black Lotus wrote:Sine, I think you know more about the Vs. series than me, so I'll let you field that one. The over-the-top spazz-out nature of the later games (MvC2) may be giving Seeker the notion that it's a button masher.

Street Fighter 3 is in no way about button mashing. If you'd like to test your theory that button mashing beats skill, buy an Xbox and play me in SF3: Third Strike on the SF: Anniversary disc.

You're pulling a Sine here, Seeker: stating your limited experience as fact. And you're way off.

Probably true =)

I have never played SF3: Third Strike.

http://files.filefront.com/KP2Pzip/;871 ... einfo.html

screw attack on sf3:3rd strike
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26654.html

Dutch wrote:That was true up until Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo. Though Alpha 3 and onward it benefits the player to button mash as it is the easiest way to get tons of combos/power moves. No matter how good you are at any post-Alpha Street Fighter game, if I go up against you and button mash, and you don't, I will beat you.

Huh, what? That last statement was so wrong that it was kicked out of Wrongness Land and had to spend the rest of its life in the ghettos of Batshitcrazistan.

Let's get past a few definitions here:

A button masher is somebody who randomly pushes buttons, usually by mashing all of them repeatedly, in an effort to try to beat a player. Categories of people that fit into this mold are mindless mallrats that don't have any experience in the game (nor do they care to learn how to actually play), and spazzy girlfriends who are too stressed by the game to actually focus and learn something.

A button masher is NOT somebody who uses "canned combos" (combos that are built into the game) or "dial-a-combos" (canned combos that have no variation because stopping the combo won't allow you to branch off to a bigger combo; see any MK game). A button masher might accidentally do some canned combos, and the canned combo games might be more "button masher" friendly because of this. However, just because a person is using canned combos, doesn't mean that they are a button masher.

Also, no button masher will ever be able to beat an expert player. Even with button masher friendly (BMF) characters like Eddy Gordo (only needs two buttons to mash with, and the combos are confusing to look at), there are easy ways to defeat somebody that knows nothing about the game. Granted, people like that are dangerous to your beginner player who is semi-decent with the game (and actually trying to learn and get good at the game). But, that stuff can be sidestepped, countered, fully blocked/countered, etc. by somebody who knows the combos and takes advantage of the opponent's lack of knowledge in the game.

Now, as far as games, I'm not one to poo-poo on any fighter, except maybe Mortal Kombat. (I might be going out on a limb here, but I think DOA is a shitty fighter series, too.) Even the games that have the canned combos (Tekken, VF, KI) have a ton of depth with what you can do with those combos. Eddy Gordo, while BMF, really is a good character, and there's a lot of nice combos you can do with him that are hard to pull off.

The SF games are just a different breed altogether. Most of them don't even have canned combos, and the ones that do are usually limited to certain areas (air combos in MvC series, for example). The MvC is certainly not a button masher, and just because there's a ton of shit on the screen doesn't mean that the players are just randomly doing shit. There's a LOT of coordination going on that regular players of the game can see, and maybe a passerby may not.

Oh, and let's not start this shit with "pulling a Sine". I can comment on something that I personally don't have experience with and still make an intelligent opinion. (With this topic, I certainly have experience in this.) But, you can't go around saying such incredibly stupid shit like "if I go up against you and button mash, and you don't, I will beat you." That's beyond insane.

bovine wrote:screw attack on sf3:3rd strike
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26654.html

BTW, he can rave about Ryu all he wants, but Yun is the best character in the game.

Oh, and Hugo owns your soul. Just say it with me: Hugo is the man.