The Shrine

Zeus wrote:

Dutch wrote:Miyamoto didn't do Mario Kart, Konno did.

Miyamoto commented on it and gun-based vehicle games hence the retort by Jaffe

But he wrote it on 1up, I doubt Miyamoto even knows of the existence of that site, so it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Dutch wrote:

Zeus wrote:

Dutch wrote:But he wrote it on 1up, I doubt Miyamoto even knows of the existence of that site, so it doesn't make a lot of sense.

You're a total jackass when it comes to acknowledging things that don't fit into your own little world you know that?

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3161530

Dutch wrote:

Zeus wrote:

Dutch wrote:Miyamoto didn't do Mario Kart, Konno did.

Miyamoto commented on it and gun-based vehicle games hence the retort by Jaffe

But he wrote it on 1up, I doubt Miyamoto even knows of the existence of that site, so it doesn't make a lot of sense.

In North America, it's one of the bigger gaming sites, they even managed to nab an interview with him. The Ziff Davis and IGN networks are pretty big too, so I'm sure he's heard of it.

Zeus wrote:

Dutch wrote:

Zeus wrote: Miyamoto commented on it and gun-based vehicle games hence the retort by Jaffe

But he wrote it on 1up, I doubt Miyamoto even knows of the existence of that site, so it doesn't make a lot of sense.

In North America, it's one of the bigger gaming sites, they even managed to nab an interview with him. The Ziff Davis and IGN networks are pretty big too, so I'm sure he's heard of it.

Nah, 1up's tiny, much less popular than even Gamespy or Kotaku. Some small sites are cool, I like to look in on Magicbox regularly, and Gamerankings and Penny Arcade every now and then. I don't particularly have much respect for 1up though, every time I read 1up it seems to be something dumb; like giving solid B+ titles like Bully, or C titles like Fire Pro Wrestling a 10/10 while putting down more deserving titles. Not to mention their stupid articles like the one on the Final Fantasy series. Their staff also blows.

The bigger game sites, the ones whose opinions matter since they're the ones everyone reads, are IGN (biggest in North America), Gamespot (Biggest in the world), and GameTrailers; there's also Gamefaqs which certainly has by far the largest gaming forum community on the Internet.

oh god every time

Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:oh god every time

I just don't see why you bother giving a ghetto gaming site like 1up any weight to their opinions.

I'll certainly attest to a change in 1up. Not recently, but quite gradually I have noticed that the user created content has slid off their frontpage. While they still have clubs and user created content deep in the crevasses of their site, there is only a space for 6 of their most popular bloggers of the day on the frontpage. I've clicked in there a couple times and it is, on occasion, first time bloggers. Could this mean that their user base has moved away? does it mean that it was a decision from the top in order to distance themselves from more user-content based blog sites like destructoid and to a lesser extent, Kotaku? Who knows, but it's certainly something.

Also, go read the gametrailers forums. Go read it for me. They are all either retards, ESL individuals, or retarded ESL individuals. Everytime I visit their site there is a "help me choose a game to buy" thread up on their frontpage. Worst forum population in the entire universe. There is nothing constructive going on in there.

bovine wrote:I don't understand why this is even relevant? is there a writers strike over at 1up as well?

I don't think they've hired/promoted a new news editor yet. Their last one just left for MTV.

Dutch wrote:

Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:oh god every time

I just don't see why you bother giving a ghetto gaming site like 1up any weight to their opinions.

Just admit you know nothing about the site or its editors.

bovine wrote:does it mean that it was a decision from the top in order to distance themselves from more user-content based blog sites like destructoid and to a lesser extent, Kotaku? Who knows, but it's certainly something.

This is an interesting observation!

Gaming communities generally suck, and I always thought 1UP's focus on deep community integration was a mistake. Boards and member blogs, fine; but trying to build a gaming social network was a mistake. I'd be happy if they just focused on delivering solid, traditional content.

bovine wrote: Also, go read the gametrailers forums. Go read it for me. They are all either retards, ESL individuals, or retarded ESL individuals. Everytime I visit their site there is a "help me choose a game to buy" thread up on their frontpage. Worst forum population in the entire universe. There is nothing constructive going on in there.

IGN's used to be terrible too, but they have grown up quite a bit. There is a lot of quality posting there now.

Black Lotus wrote:

Dutch wrote:

Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:oh god every time

I just don't see why you bother giving a ghetto gaming site like 1up any weight to their opinions.

Just admit you know nothing about the site or its editors.

Most of what I don't know is not worth knowing. Everything I have seen of it indicates this. If the site were more popular, then I would say they matter, but they don't.

Dutch wrote:Most of what I don't know is not worth knowing.

Just in case anyone missed it.

Kupek wrote:

Dutch wrote:Most of what I don't know is not worth knowing.

Just in case anyone missed it.

I dont think anyone did, but the extra attention is well deserved. OMG Seek, i love you on this forum! The foot in mouth every 6 months or so is solid gold. "Gold, Jerry, GOLD!"

seriously? who changed up this thread? Are you guys that bored that you need to pick on someone every couple of months. Mental/Nev is gone, have we moved on to Seeker now?

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, regardless of how possibly close minded the opinion may be. Unless it is a personal attack on someone, I will not object to anyone's opinions. Please return the threads to their previous order.

So, does this apply to the current conversation of "Miyamoto's comments about guns on cars"? No. So I moved it. If Seeker has a problem with the subject of the new thread, he can change it himself.

Even though it's kinda mean (Seeker, mean? haha) I don't see what you could rename this thread to. Definitely deserved to be moved, though.

That being said... I have no idea or opinion on this subject so I'm going to back away again.

bovine wrote:Are you guys that bored that you need to pick on someone every couple of months.

Shut up, fathead! You're next!

Also!

bovine wrote:Mental/Nev is gone, have we moved on to Seeker now?

Several of us have been attacking Seeker for years. It's had no effect! Dude is bulletproof.

Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:Also!

bovine wrote:Mental/Nev is gone, have we moved on to Seeker now?

Several of us have been attacking Seeker for years. It's had no effect! Dude is bulletproof.

I dunno . he seems to have gone all sensitive. or that could me my Mental level breakdown speaking.....because not liking vista for legit reasons makes me insane MUAHAHAHAHAHAH DI MOTHER FUCKERS DIE!

sorry did I say something?

Manfarb wrote:

Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:Also!

bovine wrote:Mental/Nev is gone, have we moved on to Seeker now?

Several of us have been attacking Seeker for years. It's had no effect! Dude is bulletproof.

I dunno . he seems to have gone all sensitive. or that could me my Mental level breakdown speaking.....because not liking vista for legit reasons makes me insane MUAHAHAHAHAHAH DI MOTHER FUCKERS DIE!

sorry did I say something?

Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:Several of us have been attacking Seeker for years. It's had no effect! Dude is bulletproof.

Truth. He enjoys the back and forth too. True story! >_> <_<

Eric wrote:

Manfarb wrote:

Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:Also! Several of us have been attacking Seeker for years. It's had no effect! Dude is bulletproof.

I dunno . he seems to have gone all sensitive. or that could me my Mental level breakdown speaking.....because not liking vista for legit reasons makes me insane MUAHAHAHAHAHAH DI MOTHER FUCKERS DIE!

sorry did I say something?

Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:Several of us have been attacking Seeker for years. It's had no effect! Dude is bulletproof.

Truth. He enjoys the back and forth too. True story! >_> <_<

I think we all do. at one point or another we've all been dicks to each other. and honestly. if we ever stopped that's when I'd start to be concerned. because honestly....yes we're dicks. but I'm pretty sure none of us actually hate one another........except sine...that guys a dickbag :p

Manfarb wrote: I think we all do. at one point or another we've all been dicks to each other. and honestly. if we ever stopped that's when I'd start to be concerned. because honestly....yes we're dicks. but I'm pretty sure none of us actually hate one another........except sine...that guys a dickbag :p

You have terrible taste in comics!

Black Lotus wrote:

Manfarb wrote: I think we all do. at one point or another we've all been dicks to each other. and honestly. if we ever stopped that's when I'd start to be concerned. because honestly....yes we're dicks. but I'm pretty sure none of us actually hate one another........except sine...that guys a dickbag :p

You have terrible taste in comics!

I know. that's why I'm highly respected in the professional community (Until I alienate everyone by doing the podcast....and yes....I am actually as insane as I sound here sometimes. I'm only bi and it's already the gayest podcast on the internets...

Kupek wrote:

Dutch wrote:Most of what I don't know is not worth knowing.

Just in case anyone missed it.

Well since that was a reference to 1up.com it is indeed true that most of what I don't know about that site is not worth knowing, because it is not relevant.

Manfarb wrote:

Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:Also!

bovine wrote:Mental/Nev is gone, have we moved on to Seeker now?

Several of us have been attacking Seeker for years. It's had no effect! Dude is bulletproof.

I dunno . he seems to have gone all sensitive. or that could me my Mental level breakdown speaking.....because not liking vista for legit reasons makes me insane MUAHAHAHAHAHAH DI MOTHER FUCKERS DIE!

sorry did I say something?

If pointing out how ridiculous your posts were is sensitive in your world, then yes you are both right (but only by your definition of the word) and foolish looking (when considering the conventional definition of the word), but overall you're probably just an idiot.

Dutch wrote:

Manfarb wrote:

Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:Also! Several of us have been attacking Seeker for years. It's had no effect! Dude is bulletproof.

I dunno . he seems to have gone all sensitive. or that could me my Mental level breakdown speaking.....because not liking vista for legit reasons makes me insane MUAHAHAHAHAHAH DI MOTHER FUCKERS DIE!

sorry did I say something?

If pointing out how ridiculous your posts were is sensitive in your world, then yes you are both right (but only by your definition of the word) and foolish looking (when considering the conventional definition of the word), but overall you're probably just an idiot.

when have I denied being an idiot. I know exactly what I am. I'm crazy and don't take many things in life outside of my job and comics seriously.....if you take me seriously....well....then you are an idiot. it's quite obvious that I like fucking with poeple. I do it all the time. if I don't like someone...that's when I'm nice.

Manfarb wrote:

Dutch wrote:

Manfarb wrote:I dunno . he seems to have gone all sensitive. or that could me my Mental level breakdown speaking.....because not liking vista for legit reasons makes me insane MUAHAHAHAHAHAH DI MOTHER FUCKERS DIE!

sorry did I say something?

If pointing out how ridiculous your posts were is sensitive in your world, then yes you are both right (but only by your definition of the word) and foolish looking (when considering the conventional definition of the word), but overall you're probably just an idiot.

when have I denied being an idiot. I know exactly what I am. I'm crazy and don't take many things in life outside of my job and comics seriously.....if you take me seriously....well....then you are an idiot. it's quite obvious that I like fucking with poeple. I do it all the time. if I don't like someone...that's when I'm nice.

I guess we have no argument then =P

Dutch wrote:or C titles like Fire Pro Wrestling a 10/10

I forgot to comment on this. Fire Pro Wrestling is the best wrestling game ever made. There is no better.

Black Lotus wrote:

Dutch wrote:or C titles like Fire Pro Wrestling a 10/10

I forgot to comment on this. Fire Pro Wrestling is the best wrestling game ever made. There is no better.

While they may be the best (and I don't agree, I feel Def Jam Vendetta or Fight for New York is the best), that still wouldn't warrant a 10 since wrestling games are mostly terrible, well at least the majority of WWE ones are. WWE games were fun back on N64, but as soon as Gamecube/PS2 hit, they became absolutely terrible.

For the record, IGN and Gamespot both gave the game a 7.0/10, read each of the three reviews and it becomes VERY apparent that the IGN and Gamespot ones are much higher quality reviews.

Dutch wrote:or C titles like Fire Pro Wrestling a 10/10

"C" title? Please, enlighten me as to why that series is a "C" title.....

Zeus wrote:

Dutch wrote:or C titles like Fire Pro Wrestling a 10/10

"C" title? Please, enlighten me as to why that series is a "C" title.....

Fire Pro Wrestling on PS2? By the reviews:
-Graphics about 15 years out of date, low quality even by SNES standards, but the game is a PS2 exclusive.
-clunky UI
-irritating music
-lack of a tutorial
-archaic and clunky controls/gameplay
-No story mode

It has a lot of edit options, but that's about all it has going for it.

IGN and Gamespot gave it 70% a piece.

OK...but that's an opinion thing. The people who have been playing this series for 10+ years don't mind the graphics, don't find the UI clunky...they love the fact that it has 7 trillion characters and moves up the ass. They love the gameplay and the series for years because it's fun and an awesome wrestling game. In Japan, where the series has been released for years, it's not a "C" title.

And since when is 7/10 a "C"?

Zeus wrote:OK...but that's an opinion thing. The people who have been playing this series for 10+ years don't mind the graphics, don't find the UI clunky...they love the fact that it has 7 trillion characters and moves up the ass. They love the gameplay and the series for years because it's fun and an awesome wrestling game.

If an RPG was developed and released exclusively for the PS2 and had the graphics quality, story quality, and gameplay of Final Fantasy 1, but with 7 trillion characters and weapons, would you think it should be classed as anything higher than a C game despite the fact that there are people who consider FF1 (and therefore probably this one) to be awesome? Do you think people would take a site seriously if the site gives games like this one 100%?

Zeus wrote:In Japan, where the series has been released for years, it's not a "C" title.

I forgot to mention, Famitsu gave it a 30/40 which is 75%, not a whole lot higher. I have also never seen a Fire pro Wrestling game on Japanese sales charts, or North American ones.

Zeus wrote:And since when is 7/10 a "C"?

Since the first grade.

seeker's hate destroys ziff davis

http://www.destructoid.com/ziff-davis-f ... 3855.phtml

You do not know the extent of your power. Remember that with great power comes great responsibility.

I didn't hate 1up, I just didn't find them relevant, especially when much bigger and better websites like IGN and Gamespot exist.

Dutch wrote:

Zeus wrote:And since when is 7/10 a "C"?

Since the first grade.

Check Gamerankings sometime. The average game is a 7/10. When you say it's a "C", you're implying that it's below average.

And I'm not sure what crazy-ass, American-style grading system you have out in Boonyland, Canada, but over here, a 70% is a "B", right from first grade to university.

Zeus wrote:Check Gamerankings sometime. The average game is a 7/10. When you say it's a "C", you're implying that it's below average

[quote="Zeus]"And I'm not sure what crazy-ass, American-style grading system you have out in Boonyland, Canada, but over here, a 70% is a "B", right from first grade to university.

[/quote]

Fine then, for Ontario kids, it would be a B title, not a C title like "crazy-ass American" grading systems. Does that make you happy?

bovine wrote:seeker's hate destroys ziff davis

http://www.destructoid.com/ziff-davis-f ... 3855.phtml

You do not know the extent of your power. Remember that with great power comes great responsibility.

I hope this doesn't mean as much as I dread it means.

Black Lotus wrote:

bovine wrote:seeker's hate destroys ziff davis

http://www.destructoid.com/ziff-davis-f ... 3855.phtml

You do not know the extent of your power. Remember that with great power comes great responsibility.

I hope this doesn't mean as much as I dread it means.

Yes, it means Seeker predicted with scary accuracy =P

Dutch wrote:

Black Lotus wrote:

bovine wrote:seeker's hate destroys ziff davis

http://www.destructoid.com/ziff-davis-f ... 3855.phtml

You do not know the extent of your power. Remember that with great power comes great responsibility.

I hope this doesn't mean as much as I dread it means.

Yes, it means Seeker predicted with scary accuracy =P

Eric wrote:

Dutch wrote:

Black Lotus wrote: I hope this doesn't mean as much as I dread it means.

Yes, it means Seeker predicted with scary accuracy =P

Fear me Eric! I'm a prophet!
This should be a fun fight: vs.

Dutch wrote:

Zeus wrote:Check Gamerankings sometime. The average game is a 7/10. When you say it's a "C", you're implying that it's below average

[quote="Zeus]"And I'm not sure what crazy-ass, American-style grading system you have out in Boonyland, Canada, but over here, a 70% is a "B", right from first grade to university.

Fine then, for Ontario kids, it would be a B title, not a C title like "crazy-ass American" grading systems. Does that make you happy?

[/quote][/quote]

Just one thing I would like to add, I did check Gamerankings, and that site considers 7/10 to be a C game:

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/943419.asp

If you want an ABC ranking, you'll be going by 5's.

See, schools have it unfairly ranked against you--in a test with ten questions, missing three is a 70% (that's basic math). That's a C, which is considered average. So, an average student has a margin of error up to 3.

Even if you get half the test right, you still fail it. In a logical world, getting half the test right would equal a C, which is the "middle" grade. However, because schools demand their students do well, they screw the system up in order to force students to work harder. Those who do not are eventually weaned out and are deemed to be failures of the system.

This is a double-edged sword, because it works well for some kids and doesn't for others.

However, if you try to apply that to video games, you're going to realize that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If you have 5 letter grades--F, D, C, B, A, then you're going to be able to evenly match them up to one another through a 5-point number system (five stars works too.)

1UP has gotten it pretty good--it translates it's ten point system into A, A-, B, B-, C, C-, etc.

I'm not sure if they incorporate A+'s or B+'s, but if they did, that would make it something of a 15 number system, which screws my math up.

I like the grade system. XPlay also has a good system, and I like it when they explain their system: It's just an opinion, and it shouldn't be complex.

RentCavalier wrote:Even if you get half the test right, you still fail it. In a logical world, getting half the test right would equal a C, which is the "middle" grade.

On what grounds? Where is it written that half right is average? You're assuming there should be a linear mapping from the test score to the grading system, when there is no reason there should be. Getting a C does not mean you have "half knowledge," but that you performed competently. The fact that you can get an F while still doing a lot right is important - both in school and in games.

Although, for the record, I think it's usually pointless to map numerical score to letter grade. This assumes a teacher can craft a test where such a mapping holds, which is not always the case. Sometimes it's too hard, sometimes it's too easy, sometimes some questions are unintentionally harder than others. When you have a large enough group, the students' scores usually take on a bell curve, and figuring out what grades they deserve relative to each other is straightforward.