Sigma Harmonics

[Zeus]

New DS RPG coming from the FF guys and directed by FF6 and CT boy

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3167105

[SineSwiper]

Good. It's about time they stopped getting a hard-on for PSP games. I'm sure Sony's ass is sore.

[Zeus]

Good. It's about time they stopped getting a hard-on for PSP games. I'm sure Sony's ass is sore.

Square's competitve advantage and huge selling point is their cut-scenes. Just looks better on the PS3/PSP than on the Wii/DS. The systems just suit their style more that's all

[Julius Seeker]

You're joking right? In the last fiscal year Square Enix released 21 titles: 1 on PS2, 2 on Wii (one is a WiiWare title), 5 on PSP, and 13 on DS.

[Zeus]

You're joking right? In the last fiscal year Square Enix released 21 titles: 1 on PS2, 2 on Wii (one is a WiiWare title), 5 on PSP, and 13 on DS.

Other than FF3, which were the biggest hyped releases? Sure as fuck wasn't Chocobo Tales.

Their flagship stuff is where their competitive advantage is, that's what they're using the PS3 and PSP for. The rest is their attempt to diversify and not put all their eggs into one basket

Who ever mentioned number of titles anyways? You really gotta get over your obsession with quantity. It's not the answer to everything

[Julius Seeker]

You're joking right? In the last fiscal year Square Enix released 21 titles: 1 on PS2, 2 on Wii (one is a WiiWare title), 5 on PSP, and 13 on DS.

Other than FF3, which were the biggest hyped releases? Sure as fuck wasn't Chocobo Tales.

FF3 was last fiscal year (and has sold ~2 million which is probably better than all their PSP titles combined). This year their biggest would be Dragon Quest 4, Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker, FF4 DS, and FF12: Revenant Wings. Chocobo Tales, why would you think of that one?

[bovine]

no love for the crystal chronicles: ring of fates?

[Julius Seeker]

no love for the crystal chronicles: ring of fates?

Oh yeah, forgot that one. I hear it is really good. Revenant Wings was an excellent game though, I REALLY enjoyed it.

[Zeus]

You're joking right? In the last fiscal year Square Enix released 21 titles: 1 on PS2, 2 on Wii (one is a WiiWare title), 5 on PSP, and 13 on DS.

Other than FF3, which were the biggest hyped releases? Sure as fuck wasn't Chocobo Tales.

FF3 was last fiscal year (and has sold ~2 million which is probably better than all their PSP titles combined). This year their biggest would be Dragon Quest 4, Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker, FF4 DS, and FF12: Revenant Wings. Chocobo Tales, why would you think of that one?

Remakes and offshoots. Not exactly flagship titles

[SineSwiper]

You're joking right? In the last fiscal year Square Enix released 21 titles: 1 on PS2, 2 on Wii (one is a WiiWare title), 5 on PSP, and 13 on DS.

Those figures are off. There are no 360 games on there, and I know the Enix side released a few. (Blue Dragon for one.)

[Blotus]

You're joking right? In the last fiscal year Square Enix released 21 titles: 1 on PS2, 2 on Wii (one is a WiiWare title), 5 on PSP, and 13 on DS.

Those figures are off. There are no 360 games on there, and I know the Enix side released a few. (Blue Dragon for one.)

Mistwalker.

I think Square Enix's first current-gen console release will be Last Remnant.

[Julius Seeker]

You're joking right? In the last fiscal year Square Enix released 21 titles: 1 on PS2, 2 on Wii (one is a WiiWare title), 5 on PSP, and 13 on DS.

Those figures are off. There are no 360 games on there, and I know the Enix side released a few. (Blue Dragon for one.)

[Zeus]

You're joking right? In the last fiscal year Square Enix released 21 titles: 1 on PS2, 2 on Wii (one is a WiiWare title), 5 on PSP, and 13 on DS.

Those figures are off. There are no 360 games on there, and I know the Enix side released a few. (Blue Dragon for one.)

Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey were made by Mistwalker and I believe published by Microshaft

[RentCavalier]

They are also both the epitome of SHIT.

I swear to God, Sakaguchi needs to pulls his head on straight for Cry-On, or I'm just gonna write Mistwalker off here and now.

[Julius Seeker]

Other than FF3, which were the biggest hyped releases? Sure as fuck wasn't Chocobo Tales.

FF3 was last fiscal year (and has sold ~2 million which is probably better than all their PSP titles combined). This year their biggest would be Dragon Quest 4, Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker, FF4 DS, and FF12: Revenant Wings. Chocobo Tales, why would you think of that one?

Remakes and offshoots. Not exactly flagship titles

Are there Square Enix games on other systems released last year that aren't remakes, ports, or offshoots? In the context of this thread, exactly what point are you trying to make?

[Zeus]

FF3 was last fiscal year (and has sold ~2 million which is probably better than all their PSP titles combined). This year their biggest would be Dragon Quest 4, Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker, FF4 DS, and FF12: Revenant Wings. Chocobo Tales, why would you think of that one?

Remakes and offshoots. Not exactly flagship titles

Are there Square Enix games on other systems released last year that aren't remakes, ports, or offshoots? In the context of this thread, exactly what point are you trying to make?

Flagship titles, the big guns, games that define a company. Something like FF13 or DQ9 for Square (since they really have nothing else other than Kingdom Hearts, which is iffy). Even the big remake releases that were "primary" titles were all non-DS (FFT, FF1, and FF2...again) other than FF3. Yes, even Crystal Chronicles, which is secondary.

DQ9 and FF3 were oddities in their flagship stuff. They're huge on graphics and FMV so you're gonna see the vast majority on the PS3 or PSP. Just suits their strengths [/conversation]

[Chris]

They are also both the epitome of SHIT.

I swear to God, Sakaguchi needs to pulls his head on straight for Cry-On, or I'm just gonna write Mistwalker off here and now.

I know. one solid but bland game and another really good one that's sold really fucking well.....guy must love being the joke of the industry....what with his new company only releasing a moderately successful game and another far more successful one....guy should just quit now while he's succeding

[Julius Seeker]

Remakes and offshoots. Not exactly flagship titles

Are there Square Enix games on other systems released last year that aren't remakes, ports, or offshoots? In the context of this thread, exactly what point are you trying to make?

Flagship titles, the big guns, games that define a company. Something like FF13 or DQ9 for Square (since they really have nothing else other than Kingdom Hearts, which is iffy). Even the big remake releases that were "primary" titles were all non-DS (FFT, FF1, and FF2...again) other than FF3. Yes, even Crystal Chronicles, which is secondary.

DQ9 and FF3 were oddities in their flagship stuff. They're huge on graphics and FMV so you're gonna see the vast majority on the PS3 or PSP. Just suits their strengths [/conversation]

The PSP titles were still just remakes, actually, ports would be more accurate. So I am still struggling to see the relevence of your post. Also, I am wondering how you can consider all of the big remakes to be FFT, FF1, and FF2, and not DQ4 and FF4 which sold VASTLY more than those three combined; and judging by the content, much higher production values.

[bovine]

They are also both the epitome of SHIT.

I swear to God, Sakaguchi needs to pulls his head on straight for Cry-On, or I'm just gonna write Mistwalker off here and now.

I know. one solid but bland game and another really good one that's sold really fucking well.....guy must love being the joke of the industry....what with his new company only releasing a moderately successful game and another far more successful one....guy should just quit now while he's succeding

Yeah, there was nothing really wrong with the two games. They just failed to innovate, and (obvious alert) that's not really the forte of the JRPG genre anyway.

[RentCavalier]

No, alright? I haven't played Blue Dragon, so I can only go on Lost Odyssey, but let me say this right now:

YOU HAVE ALL PLAYED THIS GAME.

No, I am not upset about the bland, but workable turn-based combat.

No, I am not upset about the robotic character animations.

Hell, I'm only mildly upset that the game makes me READ A FUCKING BOOK every twenty minutes.

No, actually, I'm upset because the little books are actually the BEST FUCKING PART.

You know what pisses me off about LO? I'll give you two good reasons:

You have played this game before. LIterally, it is the exact same fucking thing we have done since Final fucking Fantasy 4. You fight the exact same bosses. You go to the exact same places. You deal with the EXACT SAME BULLSHIT.

Hey guys, we have to travel through the CRIMSON FOREST! After that, we have to travel through the BLACK CAVES! After that, we have to go through the BORING ICE AREA in order to get to the TOTALLY ORIGINAL STEEL CITY to have a pointlessly over complicated conversation with some king guy we've never heard of till now.

How about epic boss battles? You can take your fucking pick--you want to right that same dragon boss again? Or how about that one boss who knocks your party into the back row? You want that boss who takes a character hostage and drains their HP throughout the fight? Or how about that weird undead monster boss? Hey, remember that hostage boss? Let's FIGHT HIM AGAIN, but in a different area and now, instead of a bunch of ancient forest tentacles, he's just a ghost. Of an old woman. Whose actually not old.

After that, hey, let's go fight three battles in a row against big mechanical train/robot/laser cannon things. Why are we fighting them? NOBODY KNOWS!

That's right folks, nobody fucking knows, because the game's attempt at a "plot" spirals into a descent of illogicality so great and so huge that fucking Salvador Dali couldn't make sense of this fucking game. The biggest and most profound chunk of bullshit this game throws at you is the fact that Gongora's character suffers from a terrible case of CONTAGIOUS RETARDATION that is so very potent, it can affect an entire fucking kingdom.

Literally, the man takes over an entire kingdom just by telling a single unsubstantiated lie.

Oh, and then we have the adorable children, who do the exact same thing over and over and over and over and over again. Seriously, the only particularly important thing that has ever happened to them in this story is the death of their mother, because they just keep bringing that up over and over and over and over again--which is a REAL fucking shame, because the only truly good part of this game's sack-of-shit story is the part where their fucking mother kicks the bloody can, because that's the only time they ever do anything that makes fucking SENSE.

I looked at Mistwalker with a great, great deal of hope. Every interview, Sakaguchi kept talking about how he wanted to make RPGs that truly immersed people and make worlds that you actually want to explore.

I'm sorry, Sakaguchi. I truly am, but I'm simply far too busy to take the Black Caves on the long, winding road to Shitsville--which is precisely where your game ends up.

There, or the Gamestop bargain bin.

Your fucking choice.

[Chris]

wow....your name is now GameZeus

[SineSwiper]

wow....your name is now GameZeus

Why? I'd admit that I haven't played the game, but I definately wouldn't put it past them to create something that profoundly unoriginal. Considering that this is the same story with a great many RPGs that I'd played (and stopped playing), and the fact that they put out Blue Dragon with that fucknut DBZ artist, the likelyhood of his account being accurate is rather high.

[Chris]

wow....your name is now GameZeus

Why? I'd admit that I haven't played the game, but I definately wouldn't put it past them to create something that profoundly unoriginal. Considering that this is the same story with a great many RPGs that I'd played (and stopped playing), and the fact that they put out Blue Dragon with that fucknut DBZ artist, the likelyhood of his account being accurate is rather high.

oh no. Blue dragon was amazingly pedestrian. it did nothing. it wasn't bad it was just there. Although Toryamas designs looked terrible when I compare it to his DW stuff (I'm not a toryama hater I've seen things the's done that are brilliantly gorgeous. I think in this case they must have said give us DBZ art and he gave it to em because if you compare it to some of the beautiful work he's done....well...he's definitely better than that and I hate thet he's gotten forced into this corner of the DBZ guy)....I had no excitement going through it.

however lost oddesey.....after 4 disks of focusing on only plot stuff and not doing many sidequests other than getting all the dreams...Lost Oddesey has actually been a joy. there were points in the third disk where it got a little....wha huh? but it pulled itself together pretty well and it's easily my favorite JRPG in a long time. and yes...the text reading is probably one of the best parts as they are fantastic mini stories which add a depth and charm to the character who I would have otherwise though was a fuckknicke for the first disk of the game

[RentCavalier]

The third disc utterly ruined my ability to play the game. I have slogged through countless JRPGs with a smile on my face for a long, long time, but not a single character in this game could redeem themselves from the utterly retarded hole they had dug themselves in.

Sincerely, every single good--hell, even great--thing they had going for themselves was utterly blasted out the window during the third disc--especially at the part where, get this, you control the bad guy after a long cutscene to LITERALLY walk down a flight of stairs to trigger...ANOTHER long cut scene.

I can't freaking play a game that does more than just not try--a game like Lost Odyssey actually thinks it's trying, it actually THINKS it is making perfect sense, and maybe it does--if the entire world it takes place in was run by five year olds.

[bovine]

the game just needs more Magus