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Final Fantasy Gaiden: 4 Warriors of Light

PostPosted:Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:59 am
by Kupek
This was announced a bit ago, but the official site now has some quick gameplay videos up: http://www.square-enix.co.jp/hikarino4sensi/

Longer version: http://www.gametrailers.com/game/4-warr ... inal/11625

I'm looking forward to this. It looks like Square-Enix is taking the lessons learned from remaking FF3 and FF4 for the DS and applying them to a new game specifically designed for the system.

PostPosted:Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:39 pm
by Zeus
Old-school FF? I'm there

PostPosted:Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:09 pm
by Julius Seeker
The DQ remakes are a bit more to my liking (especially 5, it's fantastic) but I have really enjoyed FF3 and 4 as well.

PostPosted:Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:18 pm
by Kupek
I'm currently playing through DQ4. I want to play DQ5 - I've heard great things about it, more than about DQ4 - but I want to play an RPG that's not DQ before that. (Although what I'd really like to play is DQ9, but I assume it's going to be a while before that's localized.)

I've been reading up on FF3 and FF4 for the DS, and I don't think I want to play FF3 - it sounds like it can be too grind heavy, and the dungeons can be unforgiving and long. One of the things I love about DQ4 is that the dungeons are pretty short, so I can literally play 15 minutes and still make progress. On the plus side, FF3 is a game I've never played.

FF4 is also supposed to be grind-heavy and unforgiving, but because I know the game, I think I can overcome that. On the down side, I know the game. Not sure if I really want to play it again.

So this FF Gaiden looks to be exactly what I want: new FF game designed for DS that's not as unforgiving as old-school RPGs can be.

In the meantime, since the games I'd like to play don't exist yet, I'm thinking I might give Contact a shot.

PostPosted:Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:44 pm
by Zeus
Not sure if we discussed this or not, but have you considered The World Ends With You?

PostPosted:Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:14 pm
by Kupek
I've thought about it. I've read raves for it from all over (yes, Sine, I know you didn't like it).

But I'm just not in the mood for a game that takes place in modern-day Tokyo. Maybe that will change when I actually finish DQ4.

PostPosted:Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:27 pm
by Chris
Kupek wrote:I'm currently playing through DQ4. I want to play DQ5 - I've heard great things about it, more than about DQ4 - but I want to play an RPG that's not DQ before that. (Although what I'd really like to play is DQ9, but I assume it's going to be a while before that's localized.)

I've been reading up on FF3 and FF4 for the DS, and I don't think I want to play FF3 - it sounds like it can be too grind heavy, and the dungeons can be unforgiving and long. One of the things I love about DQ4 is that the dungeons are pretty short, so I can literally play 15 minutes and still make progress. On the plus side, FF3 is a game I've never played.

FF4 is also supposed to be grind-heavy and unforgiving, but because I know the game, I think I can overcome that. On the down side, I know the game. Not sure if I really want to play it again.

So this FF Gaiden looks to be exactly what I want: new FF game designed for DS that's not as unforgiving as old-school RPGs can be.

In the meantime, since the games I'd like to play don't exist yet, I'm thinking I might give Contact a shot.
FF gaiden sure but man.....ove the world ends with you is Shin Megami Tensei : Devil Survivor. fucking awesome combo between strategy RPG and Turn based. excellent game

PostPosted:Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:59 pm
by Kupek
Chris wrote:FF gaiden sure but man.....ove the world ends with you is Shin Megami Tensei : Devil Survivor. fucking awesome combo between strategy RPG and Turn based. excellent game
I somehow missed that one. And looking at it, I realized it's not modern-day Tokyo I'm not interested in playing in right now, it's modern-day Tokyo through a Nomura filter I'm not interested in playing right now.

PostPosted:Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:02 pm
by Julius Seeker
I finished FF3 with ease using monks/blackbelts; but I would recomment The World Ends With You as well; if you didn't mind the contemporary setting, it's one of my favourite games in a while. I have a game called Avalon Code which I will begin soon (an Xseed game that I have heard good about). There are a lot of other RPGs, Rune Factory 2, Chrono Trigger, and Revenant Wings, and then some good non-battle adventure games with better stories and characters than most RPGs out there (Phoenix Wright Trilogy, Professor Layton). The choice is really yours though, tell how contact is; I haven't played it yet.L

PostPosted:Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:26 pm
by SineSwiper
Geesh, I guess they found their cash cow: old school RPGs (or remakes) on the DS. Too bad I can't just enjoy an epic RPG on a console anymore. Yeah, yeah, they have FF13 and all of that, but everything seems to point to suckage. Even if it doesn't suck, they seem to take fucking FOREVER to release something.

I miss the golden age of Square. Nay, I miss the golden age of RPGs. Used to be you could pick up 20 RPGs for the PSX. Nowadays, you're lucky to find 5, and all 5 of them suck.
Kupek wrote:I've thought about it. I've read raves for it from all over (yes, Sine, I know you didn't like it).
It's not that I didn't like it. It's that somebody has yet to tell me how I'm supposed to control two characters at the same time.

PostPosted:Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:12 am
by M'k'n'zy
SineSwiper wrote:Geesh, I guess they found their cash cow: old school RPGs (or remakes) on the DS. Too bad I can't just enjoy an epic RPG on a console anymore. Yeah, yeah, they have FF13 and all of that, but everything seems to point to suckage. Even if it doesn't suck, they seem to take fucking FOREVER to release something.

I miss the golden age of Square. Nay, I miss the golden age of RPGs. Used to be you could pick up 20 RPGs for the PSX. Nowadays, you're lucky to find 5, and all 5 of them suck.
Kupek wrote:I've thought about it. I've read raves for it from all over (yes, Sine, I know you didn't like it).
It's not that I didn't like it. It's that somebody has yet to tell me how I'm supposed to control two characters at the same time.
Honestly, I beat the whole game with my top screen partner on autoplay. When I did start trying to control my partner durring the bonus boss fight and building up to him, I found that if you hold the system a little further away from yourself than normal it becomes much easier to control both characters. Its never NECESSARY to control both, at least not that I have found, but it WILL increase your damage output because your top character will attack more often and you can dodge better. However once you get to Another Day and dont have the one food item a day limit you can just really start building up your stats and make it to the point where you are powerful enough you dont need the extra damage output, except for on some of the later bosses on the hardest difficultys.

PostPosted:Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:10 am
by SineSwiper
M'k'n'zy wrote:Honestly, I beat the whole game with my top screen partner on autoplay. When I did start trying to control my partner durring the bonus boss fight and building up to him, I found that if you hold the system a little further away from yourself than normal it becomes much easier to control both characters. Its never NECESSARY to control both, at least not that I have found, but it WILL increase your damage output because your top character will attack more often and you can dodge better. However once you get to Another Day and dont have the one food item a day limit you can just really start building up your stats and make it to the point where you are powerful enough you dont need the extra damage output, except for on some of the later bosses on the hardest difficultys.
I guess my problem is that I started to turn up the difficulty. If there is a slider bar for difficulty that serves no purpose other than difficulty, I will always pick normal. If it does something else like more XP, I will always pick the hardest setting. (Played Fallout 3 on Very Hard, too.) After a while, the game got actually difficult, and I couldn't figure out how you're supposed to do that whole dual character thing.

Everybody seems to do the same thing: put the top character on auto-battle, and ignore them. That works up to a point. I also used skills that had the same motion, so if I run out of one, I do the other skills. Everything is so frenzied on the bottom side, I don't see how you're supposed to do math skills or some bullshit at the top. It's not like the enemies stop on one side to let you do stuff on the other.

PostPosted:Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:07 am
by Julius Seeker
I didn't really have any issues controlling both after the first few battles, but I also didn't ever use auto-battle so I hot used to the system early on when the game was still very very easy.

PostPosted:Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:59 pm
by Oracle
FF3 remake is sadistic, at least the final dungeon is.... god damn, so much wasted time.

PostPosted:Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:05 pm
by Zeus
Kupek wrote:I've thought about it. I've read raves for it from all over (yes, Sine, I know you didn't like it).

But I'm just not in the mood for a game that takes place in modern-day Tokyo. Maybe that will change when I actually finish DQ4.
I love the fantasy setting as well, but it's nice to get a good quality, non-traditional RPG in now and then. Jap RPGs can be extremely derivative, even the great ones

PostPosted:Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:28 pm
by Oracle
Tupac Seekur wrote:I finished FF3 with ease using monks/blackbelts;
What level were your characters when you beat the final boss? And I don't remember monks/blackbelts, but I do remember ninjas. I believe my final party was Ninja, Ninja, Summoner, then that cutesy looking healer that looks like a white mage but has ears.

Anyway, last dungeon is evil.

PostPosted:Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:46 pm
by Zeus
A little bit of info on the FF:G "crown" (read: job) system

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3175252

PostPosted:Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:21 pm
by Kupek
The more I learn, the more I want this.