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  • Activision: "Only M$ benefits from Live"

  • Because playing them is not enough, we have to bitch about them daily, too. We had a Gameplay forum, but it got replaced by GameFAQs.
Because playing them is not enough, we have to bitch about them daily, too. We had a Gameplay forum, but it got replaced by GameFAQs.
 #147514  by Zeus
 Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:43 am
No shit, Sherlock. You think they'd design it to benefit anyone else?
The Magicbox wrote:Activision CEO Bobby Kotick mentioned to Financial Times that he is frustrated by the Xbox Live business model, because Microsoft would benefit the most from the service. For example over 60% subscribers are on Live because of Call of Duty series, but Activision doesn't get any revenue from it
Of course, he neglected to mention all the extra copies of his game that are sold and the profit he gets from that.
 #147536  by SineSwiper
 Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:13 pm
Extra copies? Or are you spilling that physical media argument over here?
 #147539  by Zeus
 Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:22 pm
SineSwiper wrote:Extra copies? Or are you spilling that physical media argument over here?
No. I'm saying that Live has also created an extra market for sales of Call of Duty as the 360 version clearly outsells the PS3 version due to the perceived superiority of Live over the PS3 (I'm not arguing if it is or not just that people see it that way). Kotalik isn't taking into account the extra copies of the games his company is selling due to the investment Microshaft has made and the profit Activision is making from selling those extra copies. There's no doubt that without Live, the Call of Duty series wouldn't have nearly the market or legs it does now.
 #147545  by SineSwiper
 Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:34 pm
I guess the real question is: Does all of that superiority over PSN cost the company extra? In other words, does that justify the cost of Live? I know your immediate answer is going to be no, but I'm actually trying to think of this from the company PoV.
 #147551  by Zeus
 Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:54 pm
SineSwiper wrote:I guess the real question is: Does all of that superiority over PSN cost the company extra? In other words, does that justify the cost of Live? I know your immediate answer is going to be no, but I'm actually trying to think of this from the company PoV.
If you add in over-riding voice chat and a party-like system to the PSN, Live has nothing over it. It's really the only benefit to Live over PSN from a functional POV
 #147552  by SineSwiper
 Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:01 pm
Voice chat is a pretty big deal. Also, what about the XBox Arcade? It seems like I don't hear much about PSN's arcade games.
 #147555  by Zeus
 Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:59 pm
SineSwiper wrote:Voice chat is a pretty big deal. Also, what about the XBox Arcade? It seems like I don't hear much about PSN's arcade games.
That's 'cause Sony doesn't jizz all over themselves when a game's released. Games come out all the time for it and a decent number of the big titles (like all the Capcom stuff) come for it too. There are some you certainly miss out on as the Live arcade has a lot of exclusives, but the PSN isn't shit. There's quite a bit of good games on it and they're never premium priced out of the blue for no reason. Plus you have the PS1 ROMs for $10 or less. Not quite as good as the VC collection on the Wii but there are some nice titles on it.
 #147561  by SineSwiper
 Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:20 am
$10 for PS1 games is better than $10 for NES games. (Or you can just download them...)
 #147578  by Zeus
 Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:02 pm
SineSwiper wrote:$10 for PS1 games is better than $10 for NES games. (Or you can just download them...)
$5 for NES games, $8 for SNES games, and $10 for N64 games ($6, $9, and $12 if they were import-only previously). Mega Man 9 and 10 might be NES-level, but they're not old games re-released.

Sure, you can just download them.....or buy the physical media for less and play them on the systems you might already still have.
 #147581  by Eric
 Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:55 pm
Zeus wrote:Sure, you can just download them.....or buy the physical media for less and play them on the systems you might already still have.
I have no idea what's so appealing to you about cluttering up your room with old junk. ;p
 #147583  by Zeus
 Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:10 pm
Eric wrote:
Zeus wrote:Sure, you can just download them.....or buy the physical media for less and play them on the systems you might already still have.
I have no idea what's so appealing to you about cluttering up your room with old junk. ;p
Yeah, it is getting a bit out of control. I literally have a 12-foot long, 7-foot tall closet packed almost to the brim, floor to ceiling with games and related stuff. Two 4-foot wide, 7-foot tall bookshelfs overflowing with games and guides (not to mention two 2-foot stacks of guides in front of it on the ground). A former dining table (for 4) with games-stuff all over it and under it. And a drawer full of games I'm currently playing or pick up and play by my TV with the three current systems in that cabinet. It's insane.

I have three kids now so I'll soon need a new house. I'll make sure there's a whole area for me to allow the collection to expand even more :-)
 #147591  by SineSwiper
 Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:23 am
Zeus wrote:Sure, you can just download them.....or buy the physical media for less and play them on the systems you might already still have.
Yeah, but I can download them for $0.
 #147606  by Zeus
 Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:43 pm
SineSwiper wrote:
Zeus wrote:Sure, you can just download them.....or buy the physical media for less and play them on the systems you might already still have.
Yeah, but I can download them for $0.
Oh, you're condoning pirating now.....
 #147612  by SineSwiper
 Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:02 pm
Zeus wrote:
SineSwiper wrote:Yeah, but I can download them for $0.
Oh, you're condoning pirating now.....
Well, piracy fills the gaps where marketing has lost its way. When I can buy every game Nintendo ever had for the NES for cheap, then I'll consider that route. Otherwise, I'm resorting to global-warming-killing piracy.
 #147613  by Don
 Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:36 pm
Emulators are so superior to the original form it'd be hard for anybody to compete against them even if the original makers are willing to give away stuff for free. For example, you sure can't do any of the TAS stuff in a real system! And a lot of games I'd never bothered to try them without at least the ability to instantly load to redo your mistakes because it'd be too hard.
 #147614  by Blotus
 Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:32 am
Zeus wrote:
Eric wrote:
Zeus wrote:Sure, you can just download them.....or buy the physical media for less and play them on the systems you might already still have.
I have no idea what's so appealing to you about cluttering up your room with old junk. ;p
Gotta have room to store increasingly worthless media so that my children will not have an indoor play area because I might want to play Sonic and Knuckles some day four years down the road.
 #147622  by Zeus
 Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:30 pm
SineSwiper wrote:
Zeus wrote:
SineSwiper wrote:Yeah, but I can download them for $0.
Oh, you're condoning pirating now.....
Well, piracy fills the gaps where marketing has lost its way. When I can buy every game Nintendo ever had for the NES for cheap, then I'll consider that route. Otherwise, I'm resorting to global-warming-killing piracy.
$5 for Final Fantasy is expensive? What about $8 for Super Mario RPG?
 #147628  by SineSwiper
 Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:24 pm
Yes, $8 for Super Mario RPG is expensive. I just downloaded everything anybody ever made EVER! In the history of gaming. For free. I have so many games, I need to buy a new HD to store them in. A new fucking HD!

Why would I pay $8 for a single 15-year-old game? I can pay that much for new XBLA games.
 #147631  by Zeus
 Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:00 am
SineSwiper wrote:Yes, $8 for Super Mario RPG is expensive. I just downloaded everything anybody ever made EVER! In the history of gaming. For free. I have so many games, I need to buy a new HD to store them in. A new fucking HD!

Why would I pay $8 for a single 15-year-old game? I can pay that much for new XBLA games.
Even I think that $8 for one of the best 16-bit RPGs is a decent deal if you don't already own the cartridge. You're talking about a game that you're going to play for 20-25 hours, looks relatively good even now for a sprite-based game, and you know is of very high quality. There are a shitton of PSN or XBLA games that are not nearly of the quality or length of that game that go for a lot more. There's much more to the value proposition than whether or not it's an older game re-released. That fact shouldn't automatically deem it to be too expensive.

It's not about whether or not you can get it for free. I never have to buy any game ever again for the 360, PS3, Wii, DS, or PSP either if I don't want to, they're all available online, often a couple of days before you can buy them. And it's not THAT hard to modify the systems to play burned games. You gotta be a part of the consumer base if you expect stuff to come out. The industry has to keep making some money in order to keep producing. I'm all for making a statement and not buying unless it's priced right but just because you can get it for free doesn't mean you should.

What about this: I own many of the carts that I would want on my arcade machine (I don't want everything, just some select ones). Is it OK for me to d'load a ROM of them to put on my arcade machine if I already own the cart?
 #147635  by Kupek
 Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:35 pm
SineSwiper wrote:Why would I pay $8 for a single 15-year-old game? I can pay that much for new XBLA games.
When you want to play that game and you're not willing to play it illegally. If you don't want to play the game, well, yeah, then it's not worth it. I bet you also don't think NCAA Football 11 is worth $60.