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Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:03 am
by Zeus
....for Sine, that is. For those of us who are rational, it's what you've been begging for on the Wii.

I went through the single-player game (didn't have the chance in the week I had it to play multi) and I have to say, it's an awesome remake. I was very, very skeptical about how it would turn out - hell, I wouldn't have even gotten it if it wasn't on EB's Gameplay Guarantee and I knew I would be able to return it for full cost. Particularly since it was Eurocom who was doing it (the masters of licensed swill).

But what makes this game so good is the fact that it all feels familiar but it's a completely new game. Obviously most of the locales are going to be pretty similar; the original was based off of the movie settings and sets after all. And you can clearly see the homages to the original game design (the beginning of the Facility in particular) but it never, ever feels like you're playing the N64 game all over again. Levels are mostly re-done with little snippets of the original (and movie) design and there's lots of additional stuff to do and look out for. Yes, the cameras are still there but not overly intrusive and EVERYWHERE. They feel more like a throwback and an occasional nuisance as opposed to the devil watching over you (particularly in the original's 007 mode).

There's tons of cutscenes throughout the game with the in-game engine, often in the middle of levels. Having to re-cast the entire roster with new voices and faces actually helps separate it from the original too. Alec is still Alec and Onatopp is still Onatopp, but they look and sound different. There's a new hacking system (using your Smartphone; gotta keep it current for the cellphone bitches after all) which comes in lightly on lower levels of difficulty, moreso with the additional objectives on higher difficulty. Some timed actions during more dramatized action/fight sequences a-la God of War that are pretty neat too.

Sure, it's not perfect, not by any stretch. The point-and-shoot is annoying (I played the entire game with the Wiimote and nunchuk) since you basically HAVE to aim down the sight and the second you get out guess what? You're turning in that direction. Fucking irritating, but at least you have the option of using whatever you want (zapper, Classic Controller, and GC controller are supported). And you do get the feeling of "damn, I really wish this was in HD". It's not that the game looks bad, the graphics are great....for a Wii game. But if you compare it to Medal of Honor or CoD, it's no contest at all. And the enemies seem to take an excessive amount of gunshots, even on Medium (Operative) difficulty, I can't imagine what they'd be like on Insane (007 Classic).

But at the end of the day, you have a very solid shooter where the good far outweighs the bad. Not only is it nostalgic, it's a good step up from the original in nearly every way, plays very well, and stands up to a lot of shooters, even on other systems. For a remake, that's the best you can hope for. I'm definitely going to pick it back up at some point and play it through again on a harder level of difficulty. I actually want to go through it again, not something I can say about too many games anymore. That's saying a lot.

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:26 am
by SineSwiper
Zeus wrote:....for Sine, that is. For those of us who are rational, it's what you've been begging for on the Wii.
Zeus wrote:Sure, it's not perfect, not by any stretch. The point-and-shoot is annoying (I played the entire game with the Wiimote and nunchuk) since you basically HAVE to aim down the sight and the second you get out guess what? You're turning in that direction. Fucking irritating, but at least you have the option of using whatever you want (zapper, Classic Controller, and GC controller are supported). And you do get the feeling of "damn, I really wish this was in HD". It's not that the game looks bad, the graphics are great....for a Wii game. But if you compare it to Medal of Honor or CoD, it's no contest at all. And the enemies seem to take an excessive amount of gunshots, even on Medium (Operative) difficulty, I can't imagine what they'd be like on Insane (007 Classic).
See, basic shit like this is the reason why I'm tired of the Wii. I've not played a FPS in recent memory where I bitched and moaned about the controls. The Wiimote is a failure.

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:40 pm
by Zeus
SineSwiper wrote:
Zeus wrote:....for Sine, that is. For those of us who are rational, it's what you've been begging for on the Wii.
Zeus wrote:Sure, it's not perfect, not by any stretch. The point-and-shoot is annoying (I played the entire game with the Wiimote and nunchuk) since you basically HAVE to aim down the sight and the second you get out guess what? You're turning in that direction. Fucking irritating, but at least you have the option of using whatever you want (zapper, Classic Controller, and GC controller are supported). And you do get the feeling of "damn, I really wish this was in HD". It's not that the game looks bad, the graphics are great....for a Wii game. But if you compare it to Medal of Honor or CoD, it's no contest at all. And the enemies seem to take an excessive amount of gunshots, even on Medium (Operative) difficulty, I can't imagine what they'd be like on Insane (007 Classic).
See, basic shit like this is the reason why I'm tired of the Wii. I've not played a FPS in recent memory where I bitched and moaned about the controls. The Wiimote is a failure.
And your irrationality and unrelenting biasedness rears its ugly head again. I'd beat your reply like a red-headed stepchild caught stealing, but what's the point?

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:35 pm
by Shrinweck
He's not completely alone, I've never enjoyed playing the Wiimote without being drunk. Very drunk. Still, other people seem to enjoy it so there must be something I'm missing.

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:44 pm
by Zeus
Shrinweck wrote:He's not completely alone, I've never enjoyed playing the Wiimote without being drunk. Very drunk. Still, other people seem to enjoy it so there must be something I'm missing.
I even mentioned I didn't like it for Goldeneye. I forced myself to play the entire game through to try to get used to it and I never did. What I was referring to is the fact that you have whatever controller option you wish to use so if you cite the Wiimote as a reason to not play the game, you're just being stupid.

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:55 pm
by SineSwiper
Zeus wrote:
Shrinweck wrote:He's not completely alone, I've never enjoyed playing the Wiimote without being drunk. Very drunk. Still, other people seem to enjoy it so there must be something I'm missing.
I even mentioned I didn't like it for Goldeneye. I forced myself to play the entire game through to try to get used to it and I never did. What I was referring to is the fact that you have whatever controller option you wish to use so if you cite the Wiimote as a reason to not play the game, you're just being stupid.
I don't remember those other controllers coming with the system. Besides, most games don't support the other controllers. Metroid didn't. SMG didn't. So, why buy a controller that only works for a select few games?

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:33 am
by Zeus
SineSwiper wrote:
Zeus wrote:
Shrinweck wrote:He's not completely alone, I've never enjoyed playing the Wiimote without being drunk. Very drunk. Still, other people seem to enjoy it so there must be something I'm missing.
I even mentioned I didn't like it for Goldeneye. I forced myself to play the entire game through to try to get used to it and I never did. What I was referring to is the fact that you have whatever controller option you wish to use so if you cite the Wiimote as a reason to not play the game, you're just being stupid.
I don't remember those other controllers coming with the system. Besides, most games don't support the other controllers. Metroid didn't. SMG didn't. So, why buy a controller that only works for a select few games?
Sine, if I felt there was any possibility of you acting rationally in this discussion, I would have responded to you instead of Shrin above. Sorry, man, but when it comes to any discussions/arguments involving the Wii in any way, you pretty much have no grounds to stand on anymore regardless of what you say. I'm always teasing you or egging you on as friendly ribbing 'cause I know any conversations with you on this topic are an exercise in abject futility

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:10 am
by SineSwiper
What's wrong with the argument? It's the controller that came with the Wii. It's the one that they want you to use. If they wanted you to use a standard controller, then a standard controller should have come with the system or the game, or the controller should have had more widespread use than just a few games.

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:18 am
by Kupek
Zeus wrote:And your irrationality and unrelenting biasedness rears its ugly head again. I'd beat your reply like a red-headed stepchild caught stealing, but what's the point?
I have a hard time holding that against Sine when your opening line was a personal dig at him.

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:26 pm
by Zeus
Kupek wrote:
Zeus wrote:And your irrationality and unrelenting biasedness rears its ugly head again. I'd beat your reply like a red-headed stepchild caught stealing, but what's the point?
I have a hard time holding that against Sine when your opening line was a personal dig at him.
Like I said before, it's friendly ribbing that I do before every Wii post. I don't have anything against Sine - actually enjoyed my time with him and Shellie very much - and he's certainly no Seek. But when it comes to this subject, it's like asking you to expand on your points or impart a bit of your knowledge on us, it's never gonna happen. So I just have fun with it

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:31 pm
by Shrinweck
If you or Seek ever meet I require a video for comfortable Youtube viewing. Provided you don't break their terms of service, of course.

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:31 pm
by Zeus
SineSwiper wrote:What's wrong with the argument? It's the controller that came with the Wii. It's the one that they want you to use. If they wanted you to use a standard controller, then a standard controller should have come with the system or the game, or the controller should have had more widespread use than just a few games.
Many of Nintendo's first party games come with GC or Classic Controller support. What that tells you is even Nintendo recognizes that the Wiimote is not necessarily the best option for everyone for every type of game. This is why they give you the ability to use whatever controller you want. Every Wii game comes with Wiimote support but if you don't like that, you can often use something else. It's not that the Wiimote can't be used for basically all types of games, it's just not necessarily the best option for everyone. I know a guy at work who bought a PS3 and Modern Warfare for it just to see if he preferred using a regular controller vs the Wiimote since he'd been playing Reflex Edition on the Wii for a year. After about 4 or 5 hours of play, he decided he liked the Wiimote setup better and bought Black Ops for Wii instead of PS3. And it's not even like he had the whole "free online" excuse to use, PS3's free as well. Would I have done the same? Certainly not, other than Metroid I prefer an old-school remote to the Wiimote for first-person view. But he was the opposite.

Nintendo actually gives you options, what's wrong with that?

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:33 pm
by Zeus
Shrinweck wrote:If you or Seek ever meet I require a video for comfortable Youtube viewing. Provided you don't break their terms of service, of course.
You know, I'd probably get along much better with Seek in real life. You can't be as much of an unrelenting dick when you're standing in front of someone

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:34 pm
by Shrinweck
Challenge accepted.

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:51 pm
by Zeus
Shrinweck wrote:Challenge accepted.
First we'd have to have our First Annual Shriners Convention :-)

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:54 pm
by Kupek
It's disingenuous to blame someone for acting a certain way when you baited them into it in the first place.

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:05 am
by Zeus
Kupek wrote:It's disingenuous to blame someone for acting a certain way when you baited them into it in the first place.
So let me understand your line of reasoning here: If someone is a drug dealer and an uncover cop buys drugs from them, they shouldn't be held accountable for their actions? Could they not just decide not to sell drugs or do they get a pass 'cause they were baited into it?

Before you even attempt to use the "you can't compare them because one is a criminal offense" argument, we're talking about the logical reasoning with respect to observation of someone's actions here, not necessarily the action itself.

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:00 am
by bovine
Zeus wrote:
Shrinweck wrote:Challenge accepted.
First we'd have to have our First Annual Shriners Convention :-)
I never want to meet you guys, ever.

Jay Kay

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:34 am
by Kupek
It depends on the details of the illegal act. There is such a thing as entrapment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment). With the drug dealer, it's understood that he would have sold drugs otherwise. But if it's unlikely that the person would have committed an illegal act without being enticed by the cop, then it's usually considered entrapment and it is a valid legal defense.

But, I do think that the kind of honesty we should hold ourselves to in conversations is not necessarily the same as legal considerations. Laws are in place so that society can function with, hopefully, the least amount of harm to most of the people. Intellectual honest deals with the manner in which we exchange and explain ideas. That's why I said it was disingenuous: I don't think you ever intended on engaging him in an honest conversation to begin with.

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:51 am
by SineSwiper
Going back to the conversation that Zeus supposedly baited me into... (What? Do you think I'm a fucking idiot? Just going to talk to me in the third-person like I'm not reading this stuff?)
Zeus wrote:
SineSwiper wrote:What's wrong with the argument? It's the controller that came with the Wii. It's the one that they want you to use. If they wanted you to use a standard controller, then a standard controller should have come with the system or the game, or the controller should have had more widespread use than just a few games.
Nintendo actually gives you options, what's wrong with that?
Not with the games I've played. Is there some sort of thing on the back of the game box that says "Compatible with other controllers"?

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:37 pm
by Zeus
Kupek wrote:That's why I said it was disingenuous: I don't think you ever intended on engaging him in an honest conversation to begin with.
Of course not, history has shown there's no reason to even try. Hence the friendly ribbing

And again, you missed the point of my comment above. Just because someone is baited into doing something it doesn't mean they can't be held accountable for their actions, regardless of the method of initiation.

Re: Goldeneye remake for Wii: yet another casual write-off

PostPosted:Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:39 pm
by Zeus
SineSwiper wrote:Is there some sort of thing on the back of the game box that says "Compatible with other controllers"?
If you look on the top right of the back of the case, it tells you what controllers you can use. There's a symbol for the Wiimote, Nunchuck, Classic Controller, GC controller, and Zapper at the very least. There may be a Wii Wheel one as well but I'm too lazy to get my Mario Kart out. Of course, the Zapper and Wii Wheel aren't really controllers but to a lot of idiots out there, they're far more than shells for the Wiimote and they need to be told they can use them.