The Shrine

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Is it just me, or is this a one-horse race for which system rules this Christmas? I mean, the PS2 has GTA: Vice, but that's it, and Xbox's big this is Xbox Live, not exactly a mass-market appeal product. The sheer number of must-haves on the 'Cube is unreal right now, the others have "gamers" games</div>

<div style='font: ; text-align: left; '>PS2 has a lot of new RPGs this holiday, but overall I'd say GC has the strongest lineup between the three. But I think PS2 will still outsell GC and XBox this holiday.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>PS2 Must Haves:

-GTA:VC
-Suikoden 3
-WWE Smackdown
-Shinobi
-The Sims
-Rygar
-SW:BH
-+more I can't recall right now.

Xbox Must Haves:

-Metal Gear: Substance
-SW:KotOR
-Xbox Live
-MechAssault
-Steel Battalion (better be for $200)
-DOA Extreme Volleyball
-Unreal
-+more I can't remember right now

Gamecube Must Haves:

-Metroid Prime
-....err....

Just you fruity, just you.

KO-</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Games I've already bought:

-Time Splitters 2
-Tiger Woods Golf (hey, I love Golf and this game is actually quite good)
-Sonic Mega Collection
-Resident Evil 0 (haven't opened it yet)
-Animal Crossing
-Super Monkey Ball 2 (this game is unbelievably fun)
-Starfox Adventures (I actually probably wouldn't recomend this game, it's all about the Arwing levels which is just a weak taste of the Nintendo/Namco Starfox title from what I'm hearing)


Games I still have yet to get

-Metroid Prime (promises to be the best game in years)
-Phantasy Star Online version 1&2 (I'm getting it for the multiplayer offline version, I am not paying a cent just to play games online, maybe it will have some sort of free month or something so I can check it out at least).
-NHL2K3, I might also get Hitz 2003 since from what I've seen it's a huge jump over the last, and last years was fun as hell.
-Mario Sunshine, this game is getting a lot of praise, and I still haven't had much chance to play it yet.
-Mario Party 4, I never miss these games, they're among the best multiplayer games available.
-The new Bond game, I never miss Bond games, I'm a Bond Fanatic.


There might even be more I haven't heard of yet, or just haven't planned on buying yet (still looking at Knockout Kings 2003), but these ones I've listed are all guaranteed. The one game I'm looking forward to the most is the new Zelda which is out early next year, if it comes with the remade version of Ocarina of Time, nothing, and I mean NOTHING is going to stop me from getting my hands on it!</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>So, yes, I was right</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>That's not even a retort. Go back and give me a real response :P</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.resonatorsoft.org/tows/cgi-b ... 11.html</a>

You, being a Nintendo fanatic, will say that, because you have a GC, watch GC sites, and buy GC games. PS2 people, on the other hand, will actually know what's coming out. I made a post about it here...</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>...Maybe you were just born a failure?

I was nice...didn't mention Cubes poor multi-system ports (NFSHP2, BR), Clancy series, HotD3, Myst 3, Wild Arms 3, Xenosaga, Panzer Dragoon, Legaia 2, Splinter Cell, TS2, Ratchet & Clank, Kingdom Hearts, Shenmue 2, Battlefield 1942, Giants, BoF5, Deathrow, etc.

If your "Ya, so I was right"...is the best you can do, well I guess I really did do a good job of shutting you up, huh?

As for me, I think the PS2 and Xbox lineup's are looking a lot more healthy than the GC's...I'm betting holiday consumers will share that opinion.

KO-</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>The ONLY redeeming feature about that otherwise SUPER-shallow game is that you can play online...and even that gets old quickly.

I had enough trouble justifying playing online for free with my DC...

It'll be a total waste of money for you...don't bother.

KO-</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>It's it just me, or is the XBox seriously lacking some good RPGs and fighters?</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>They are charging, what, $10-15/month for that? Ha!</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>You'd think they'd AT LEAST have the fighter category taken care of...but sadly, no. Deathrow is kind of a fighter (good game)...Mortal Kombat, UFC 2, Capcom vs. SNK 2 should be here by next month....

RPG-wise...as per usual during the first year...there is little. Elder Scrolls 3 definately broke the trend of having a consoles first RPG suck though. And I guess there is Baldur's Gate and Shenmue (is this an RPG?).

On the way are:

-Black Stone
-Fable (Project Ego)
-Metal Dungeon
-Starwars: KotOR
-Starwars: Galaxies
-Warhammer
-Sudeki
-Oteki
-Gladius
-Farnation
-D&D Heroes
-Two TBA Microsoft MMORPGs

Some of those are a pretty safe bet for being good...some are of the "who knows" variety.

Thankfully, the PS2 fills the gap.

KO-</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>That's basically all I buy for my console. Though, I do have Tony Hawk 3 and Paparapa 2.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>What I'm really looking for is a medival style game (like Gauntlet) for multiple players. I might actually just go for one of the Gauntlet titles instead, I think they're running for around 40-50 bucks now.

I'm also not 100% sure on which game to pick up between NHL 2003 and 2K3, right now I'm leaning towards 2K3 just on what people are saying.

And don't worry, I'm getting an Xbox too, and if anyone is going to get the sufficient 30-40 games for Microsoft to make a profit, it will be me =P

The only thing that may hold me back is the rumor of Xbox 2 coming out in a year and a half to two years. If that were the case, I'd probably just wait and get that instead.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>It's not hard to impliment those options...christ. When I get those, I'll have my perfect hockey game.

I'm content with NHL2002 for now.

KO-</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>That might have sounded harsh. Just my de-motivational poster quote...

No, I'm not going "soft", just felt like clarifying.

KO-</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Well, I really like the flexibility you've in creating your character's look. It's not exactly huge, but a lot better than 'pick 5 (or less) faces' deal in most Diablo-like games.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt georgia; text-align: left; '>RYGAR?! Oh my God! My friend used to have that on his Lynx!</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I never said there wasn't any good games for the other two systems, just that they're being owned this Xmas. It's not even close. But that doesn't mean I'm ignoring all the Xbox and PS2 games this Xmas. I've already got Shenmue 2, used. No reason to get any new, 'cept on 'Cube.That's what I meant</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Exactly what games are you talking about...?

Metroid....I'd assume...annnnnnd......?

KO-</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>If they made a few minor tweaks (adjustable run speed, maybe via items or a stat; more than 6 equipped skill/item slots), I'd be much more likely to go back.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I own a PS2, and I will probably buy a GC because I want to play Metroid and Zelda. I already have FFX and MGS2, there aren't any games I can think of for the PS2 that I really really want.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>I want to play Metroid Prime, too, but I'm not going to fork over the cash to buy a THIRD console, next to my DC and PS2.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Err, then don't. But Zeus is right the GC has some nice games that just came out. The PSX2 games you mentioned don't come out until next year.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>And the PS2 has some nice games that JUST came out...or is beginning of October too old? ("Shit, that's a month old, fuck that!") And like Kali has repeated, Zeus still hasn't announced which games are the "sheer number of must-haves".</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Seeker named some. I didn't like Wild ARMs, but I will say Suikoden is nice. :)</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I might. I missed out on Zelda for the N64 because for the same reasoning. Do I really want to miss out on the next Zelda again, AND Metroid? I play so few games now that buying a system for one or two games isn't different from buying a system, period.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Zelda in February, Sunshine now, RE0</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Zelda in March, actually.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Just asking...seems most people admitted a fairly "blah" feeling...

Me, I dunno...I simply had zero desire to play more than ten minutes of it...so my personal opinion has little merit.

So that's it then...? Metroid, RE0, a 3 month-old Mario Sunshine, and a 3+ month away Zelda....? That's your big proof for Gamecube ruling this Christmas season...?

Well, you sure failed. Congrats!

To be honest, your post was nothing but opinionated fluff...of which I obviously disagree with...but I was at LEAST expecting you to do a half decent job backing it up....oh well.

KO-</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Right now, IMO, there are more must-haves on the 'Cube than anything else, and for anyone who didn't get one last year, there are tons of others, like Smash Bros., Resident Evil, Eternal Darkness, Pikmin, and Rogue Leader. These aren't good or great games, these are the ones you don't want to miss out on. The PS2 has more "great" games, the Xbox has a few as well (and Halo and Gotham as must haves), but right now, the 'Cube has the most, and even with only 3 must-haves coming out since late August, it's still better than everyone else by FAR. They only have 1 between them, and it's basically an expansion disk. Now, I want Vice City as well (I think GTA3 is the best game on the system), but it's still the same thing as last year. I can easily wait for it used, it's not like I don't have the original to keep me occupied.

And speaking of Sunshine, I've actually liked it the more and more I play it. I was a HUGE fan of Mario 64 mainly because it was new, nothing since in 3D platformer was as good IMO. And the fact that Sunshine didn't have a lot of the traditional Mario stuff like Fire or Ice levels was kinda irritating me....in the beginning. Not to mention this whole jetpack thing. So I picked it up used ($45 Cdn) and gave it a shot, just becauxe it's Miyamoto and I can't recall when he's disappointed me. This one is no different. If you can get past the fact there's no Fire or Ice levels and can deal with the camera (anyone who's had to play 3D platformers in the past has to deal with them; this camera is no better than Mario 64's, unfortunately), you'll find the game is surprisingly excellent. The main world has an amazing amount of stuff going on in it, so it's not just a portal to the different worlds (I think there's like 25 or so shines in there alone) and the missions they send you on in each level have a big affect on what's gonig on in the level, which is pretty neat. After you're done all that, collecting the blue coins and trying to get 100 coins on each level takes A LOT of skill, it's not easy. There's a surprising amount of depth and stuff going it, it really is an excellent sequel, everything you could have hoped for. I was very skeptical, but after about 2 hours, I was completely sold</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Close enough. We'd better get that fucking super-pak with the 64 and 64DD Zeldas</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I love you zeus.

KO-</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Difficult to come up with rock solid evidence for others when it's all based on opinion :-)</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "arial narrow"; text-align: left; padding: 0% 5% 0% 5%; '>Prime and Zero is about all that is coming out between now and Christmas that I can think of. And I'm too busy with some other ones, so Prime will have to wait a little while.</div>