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Just a note about Xenosaga. After getting started in the game, I can see that this is not what was originally intended as episode 1 (according to Perfect Works, the book), Xenosaga is actually episode 2.
PostPosted:Wed Mar 05, 2003 8:05 am
by Julius Seeker
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Just a note about Xenosaga. After getting started in the game, I can see that this is not what was originally intended as episode 1 (according to Perfect Works, the book), Xenosaga is actually episode 2.</div>
PostPosted:Thu Mar 06, 2003 4:35 am
by Don
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Where do you get weird info like that? That's up there with the gamefaqs board belief that Xenogears is episode 5 in Xenosaga</div>
PostPosted:Thu Mar 06, 2003 7:05 am
by Julius Seeker
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Have you read Perfect Works?</div>
PostPosted:Thu Mar 06, 2003 12:45 pm
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>It's not?</div>
PostPosted:Thu Mar 06, 2003 12:49 pm
by Manshoon
<div style='font: 14pt "Times New Roman"; text-align: left; '>The director himself said he's not going by the PW timeline.</div>
Obviously not, but he is using much of the same general story with Xenosaga (at least from what I am seeing so far).
PostPosted:Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:36 pm
by Julius Seeker
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>What the sequels will bring is hard to say. I am going to assume that he plans to skip right through to the Zeboim era for episode 2, that seamed like a very interesting part of Xenogears at least. I expect that there will be a lot of changes, maybe even a complete re-write. In PW, that was my favorite era mainly because it was a reflection of what our own world might be like in the not so distant future, and a popular theme among late 19th and early 20th century science fiction novels.
From my understanding the development team was going to use a similar time line and world for the Xenosaga series, of course I could be wrong; I haven't ready anything about it in over a year.</div>
Xenosaga didn't even existed when Xenogears came out. How can Xenogears be a part of Xenosaga timeline?
PostPosted:Thu Mar 06, 2003 8:52 pm
by Don
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Xenogear is episode 5 of the Xenogears series kind of like the movie we usually call Star Wars is actually the 4th episode of the Star Wars series.</div>
PostPosted:Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:25 pm
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Because they decided to make it that way? I was under the impression that Xenosaga was a part of the Xenogears timeline.</div>
It is, but not the other way around
PostPosted:Fri Mar 07, 2003 2:06 am
by Don
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Xenosaga series is supposed to cover the events up to the Eldridge (it certainly doesn't look like they're going to be done with the Zohar anytime soon based on Episode 1) which would make it Episode 1 & 2 at most in Xenogears's timeline, since Xenogears Episode 3 covers the story of Kim (2nd generation Fei) and the Zeboim Civilization. However, the game Xenogears isn't part of Xenosaga's timeline because Xenosaga ends before it's even close to Xenogears.
Xenogears is Episode 5, but it's not Episode 5 of Xenosaga. It's episode 5 of Xenogears series, just like Xenosaga is episode 1 of the Xenosaga series.</div>
That I understand, and about Zohar...
PostPosted:Fri Mar 07, 2003 10:53 am
by Julius Seeker
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>You probably know all this already, but I just played Xenogears a few months ago so a lot of this is still fresh in my head:
It's a fairly important part of Xenogears since it is what gives all the Gears on the planet their energy source (though Gears still need fuel for whatever reason). Plus it is also linked to all the Ether abilities. The way the Deus weapon was supposed to work is that there were 4 things, the Raziel Tree (the super computer), the Zohar modifier (unlimited energy source. Abel, Grahf, and Fei all made contact with it, Grahf's contact was incomplete though), the life generation computer (forget its name now), and then Deus which is actually a modified or genetically engineered creature related to the Genosis.
As for Perfect Works, it outlines a lot of things seen in Xenosaga.
Sometime in the early part of this Millenium the Zohar modifier was discovered in Africa. It supposedly was the origin of existance, inside it was trapped a piece of "God" (The Wave existance); actually I don't remember exactly, but I think it might have been when they built the Zohar power generator that they trapped the wave existance (which Krelian merged with at the end of Xenogears). They also developed a way to harness this energy. There was also discovered "Magnetic Anti Matter" or something like that (MAM), and by 2500 the study of the Deus weapon began.
They used the Zohar modifier to perfect their space travel and somehow Earth became uninhabitable and untouchable by Humans. They named the planet "Lost Jerusalem". Their new capital at the middle of their empire they called "New Jerusalem".
They constructed the Colony ship Eldrige and finished the Deus weapon. I can only guess as the story goes that the events at the beginning of Xenogears took place close to Earth, but I can't be sure since I am only guessing. The world of Xenogears was the third planet, like Earth is. Anyways, as it goes, the Deus weapon took over the Zohar power source and the ship. The captain set the Eldrge to self destruct, and everyone went to escape, everyone was destroyed and only Abel survived. Abel had made contact with the life computer (forget its name) and it had terriformed the planet (maybe Earth) and created True Miang to act as "Mother Earth", but True Miang split into Elly and Miang (or something like that).
Anyways, Perfect Works also goes over the Genosis, KOS-MOS, and the dissapearing planet and such. Xenosaga isn't the same because they have updated the story, but generally it's the same outcome.
Xenogears doesn't surround the Zohar Modifier, but it is a very important part of the story since it is what is behind all the intentions of the villains, especially Grahf and Krelian. At the end, the Wave Existance is freed and Krelians Soul Joins it in returning to the fourth dimension (or something like that). Abel, Grahf, and Fei are the same person (just reborn into different bodies), and all of them made contact with the Zohar Modifier (which powers everyones Ether abilities, and the Gears).</div>
PostPosted:Sat Mar 08, 2003 12:09 am
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>You and I might be using a different defintion of "timeline." Do they exist in the same (fictional) universe?</div>