The Shrine

PostPosted:**Sun Jul 06, 2003 7:35 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/31571.html">The Register</a>

I normally don't side with MS but when the other side is a blackmailing Linux box group...nothing a Live patch can't fix most likely though</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Jul 07, 2003 9:01 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I don't agree with the tactics either, but I want that program</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Jul 07, 2003 10:40 am**

PostPosted:**Mon Jul 07, 2003 7:42 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>even though it will probably be fixed with a Live patch...not to mention MS may retaliate by permanentally disconnecting any Xbox's it finds with that program on them?</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Jul 07, 2003 11:14 pm**

PostPosted:**Tue Jul 08, 2003 5:59 am**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>then why not just mod your Xbox anyway?</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Jul 08, 2003 9:40 am**

PostPosted:**Tue Jul 08, 2003 11:14 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Thank you. Besides, it's always better to have an outside mod chip anyways just in case there are multiple changes to the security features on the games, like I have with my PSX</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Jul 10, 2003 12:55 am**

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Fuck MS. MS has been trying to crack down on the mod chip market, so it's nice when they get hit with their own medicine.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Jul 10, 2003 1:25 am**

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Fuck them because they're trying to stop illegal things from going down....oooook.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Jul 10, 2003 9:11 am**

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Mod chips only recently became illegal because of the DMCA. Technology of any purpose should not be outlawed (unless it's truly dangerous), as it stunts the growth of invention.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Jul 10, 2003 1:52 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Whatever Sine.</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Jul 13, 2003 5:18 am**

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Mod Chips are illegal because they are used a means to play pirated software.</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Jul 13, 2003 10:48 am**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>only since PSX & Saturn have they become illegal when they became popular for playing pirated games. Before that it was kinda hard to pirate a Genesis / Nintendo cartridge</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Jul 13, 2003 11:37 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Not in China or Hong Kong</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Jul 13, 2003 11:39 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Actually, he's right. It's like saying you can't put new shit in your car (rims, comp chip, exhaust, etc.) 'cause the car isn't whay the manufacturer made it to be</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Jul 13, 2003 2:55 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>uhm...this ain't China or Hong Kong. Hong Kong is also the world's largest piracy market</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Jul 13, 2003 2:58 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>cars are a horrible example. You just can't compare a gaming system where the purchase of games is essential to the industry vs a car where the car companies could care less how you buy your gas</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Jul 13, 2003 3:00 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>a corollary to that-- giving your car rims and shit like that doesn't affect the car company at all; once you purchased the car from them they don't need you anymore until you go to buy another car</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Jul 14, 2003 2:37 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Not allowing mod chips is like not allowing 3rd party parts manufacturers for cars</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Jul 14, 2003 3:05 am**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Not at all. They make more profit from the initial car sale than the parts sale. That's not true for consoles.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Jul 14, 2003 4:16 am**

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Yeah you can talk all that crap, but they take away business from honest companies that produce the games we enjoy.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Jul 14, 2003 4:07 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>no, are you dense? I'd ellaborate but I think Kupek/Eric as well as my post below explain well enough. They are very different</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:09 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I'm talking about the principle of customizing your product, not the profits involved</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:41 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>There's a thin line between customizing something and modifying it strictly for illegal uses.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Jul 15, 2003 5:58 am**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>we're not talking about adding decals or fins to your gaming console here or painting it metallic blue</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:45 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>You do it strictly for illegal use, I don't</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Jul 22, 2003 6:06 am**

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>I find that statement insulting and amusing at the same time.</div>

PostPosted:**Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:58 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Insulting? Wasn't it you who didn't leave open the option of using a mod for something other than illegal use?</div>

PostPosted:**Wed Jul 23, 2003 1:51 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>I'd like to know what other use there is for it, go ahead.</div>