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  • Because playing them is not enough, we have to bitch about them daily, too. We had a Gameplay forum, but it got replaced by GameFAQs.
Because playing them is not enough, we have to bitch about them daily, too. We had a Gameplay forum, but it got replaced by GameFAQs.
 #94384  by Zeus
 Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:13 pm
Sounds about right

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6140383.html

Although I'm not enamored over how they got their figure. Do we really know if Microshaft is paying that much for each component in the system?
 #94386  by Julius Seeker
 Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:31 pm
Zeus wrote:Sounds about right

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6140383.html

Although I'm not enamored over how they got their figure. Do we really know if Microshaft is paying that much for each component in the system?
Those numbers are off, Gamecube sales were updated by Nintendo to the end of the 2004 fiscal year with sales at 18.76 million. Whereas PS2's were at 81.39 million. I have no figures for Xbox unfortunately. I don't see them on Microsoft's site.

Anyways, with the rest of the article, I highly doubt Microsoft pays full price for the components. Everyone is out to make a profit, but when dealing with a major purchaser, it is wise to give discounts so they keep your business.
 #94388  by Zeus
 Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:05 pm
The Seeker wrote:
Zeus wrote:Sounds about right

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6140383.html

Although I'm not enamored over how they got their figure. Do we really know if Microshaft is paying that much for each component in the system?
Those numbers are off, Gamecube sales were updated by Nintendo to the end of the 2004 fiscal year with sales at 18.76 million. Whereas PS2's were at 81.39 million. I have no figures for Xbox unfortunately. I don't see them on Microsoft's site.

Anyways, with the rest of the article, I highly doubt Microsoft pays full price for the components. Everyone is out to make a profit, but when dealing with a major purchaser, it is wise to give discounts so they keep your business.
Really? Damned universities never bothered teaching me that in basic business courses! :D
 #94389  by Julius Seeker
 Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:37 pm
Zeus wrote:
The Seeker wrote:
Zeus wrote:Sounds about right

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6140383.html

Although I'm not enamored over how they got their figure. Do we really know if Microshaft is paying that much for each component in the system?
Those numbers are off, Gamecube sales were updated by Nintendo to the end of the 2004 fiscal year with sales at 18.76 million. Whereas PS2's were at 81.39 million. I have no figures for Xbox unfortunately. I don't see them on Microsoft's site.

Anyways, with the rest of the article, I highly doubt Microsoft pays full price for the components. Everyone is out to make a profit, but when dealing with a major purchaser, it is wise to give discounts so they keep your business.
Really? Damned universities never bothered teaching me that in basic business courses! :D
Well I don't know crap about what business courses teach, I am just going on my own logic here.

 #94396  by the Gray
 Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:49 pm
It's fairly well established that Nintendo and MS both lost money on their respective consoles in the last generation.

http://www.actsofgord.com/Proclamations/chapter02.html

He says it better than I can.

I don't see this generation being any different, except that Nintendo likley won't make a loss on the console this time around. MS I fully expect to take a loss on each system sold. They own the patents this time around, but don't own any of the production sites. Sony does, and after 20 million PS3's or so will again make a profit on each machine sold.

 #94429  by Oracle
 Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:55 pm
We've had a few of those suckers returned, little bastards like to overheat.

 #94437  by SineSwiper
 Sat Nov 26, 2005 8:24 am
It may explain the overpriced games and console for the XBox 360. All that means is that Sony will school them in the console wars.

 #94441  by Imakeholesinu
 Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:48 pm
I'm waiting on a PS3 for sure. Blu-ray will surpass HD-DVD.

 #94448  by Nev
 Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:33 pm
Consoles have been loss leaders since forever in this industry, from what I know, though I don't really know any specifics. I believe that, in the generation before this one - if not even the 16- and 8- bit eras - all of the consoles were money losers as well. As a business, you make your money back on software.

 #94457  by Julius Seeker
 Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:50 am
Mental wrote:Consoles have been loss leaders since forever in this industry, from what I know, though I don't really know any specifics. I believe that, in the generation before this one - if not even the 16- and 8- bit eras - all of the consoles were money losers as well. As a business, you make your money back on software.
The only issue now is that software is more expensive to develop than it has been in the past. Also, it doesn't seem as if the rate of platnum sellers is going up either.

 #94458  by Zeus
 Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:53 am
Mental wrote:Consoles have been loss leaders since forever in this industry, from what I know, though I don't really know any specifics. I believe that, in the generation before this one - if not even the 16- and 8- bit eras - all of the consoles were money losers as well. As a business, you make your money back on software.
If I'm not mistaken, in the past it was lose money for the first year, year and a half, be even for the next year or so, then make money the last two years or so on the hardware, assuming the life cycle of a console was 5 years. The Saturn screwed that up as they were losing money right from the beginning and I don't think ever made any coin. Sony builds their own (they are an electronics manufacturer, after all) so they actually make money on the consoles but have such a large investment in the facilities, they have large break even points (Gray's article said about 20 mil for the PS2, which they've destroyed). The DC apparently made $1 a system off the bat. Xbox never made money since Microshaft used off the shelf parts. The N64 I believe followed the cycle but the 'Cube apparently was very close to being even right off the bat due to its sleek design (ie. no bottlenecks, thus no extra power required in certain parts). I think even now they're making coin, even at the cheap price it it's at.

 #94463  by Julius Seeker
 Sun Nov 27, 2005 1:49 pm
Zeus wrote:
Mental wrote:Consoles have been loss leaders since forever in this industry, from what I know, though I don't really know any specifics. I believe that, in the generation before this one - if not even the 16- and 8- bit eras - all of the consoles were money losers as well. As a business, you make your money back on software.
If I'm not mistaken, in the past it was lose money for the first year, year and a half, be even for the next year or so, then make money the last two years or so on the hardware, assuming the life cycle of a console was 5 years. The Saturn screwed that up as they were losing money right from the beginning and I don't think ever made any coin. Sony builds their own (they are an electronics manufacturer, after all) so they actually make money on the consoles but have such a large investment in the facilities, they have large break even points (Gray's article said about 20 mil for the PS2, which they've destroyed). The DC apparently made $1 a system off the bat. Xbox never made money since Microshaft used off the shelf parts. The N64 I believe followed the cycle but the 'Cube apparently was very close to being even right off the bat due to its sleek design (ie. no bottlenecks, thus no extra power required in certain parts). I think even now they're making coin, even at the cheap price it it's at.
From what I understand the most important part of Nintendo's hardware strategy is the cost.

 #94467  by Nev
 Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:04 pm
Ah, so Microsoft may lose their shirt on this generation as well? That would make my day...

 #94470  by Julius Seeker
 Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:38 pm
Mental wrote:Ah, so Microsoft may lose their shirt on this generation as well? That would make my day...
It seems strange that Microsoft is getting involved in the console business at all when they don't gain money from it.

 #94472  by Zeus
 Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:12 pm
The Seeker wrote:
Mental wrote:Ah, so Microsoft may lose their shirt on this generation as well? That would make my day...
It seems strange that Microsoft is getting involved in the console business at all when they don't gain money from it.
Short-term pain for long term gain. They won't be losing on the 360 for the entire generation

 #94475  by Nev
 Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:44 pm
Probably not.

 #94476  by Julius Seeker
 Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:08 pm
Zeus wrote:
The Seeker wrote:
Mental wrote:Ah, so Microsoft may lose their shirt on this generation as well? That would make my day...
It seems strange that Microsoft is getting involved in the console business at all when they don't gain money from it.
Short-term pain for long term gain. They won't be losing on the 360 for the entire generation
They lost a few billion on the Xbox generation (only turned a profit two quarters out of the entire lifespan of the system); did they manage to prepare things better this time around?

 #94477  by Nev
 Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:20 pm
I imagine that they didn't think they'd fail as utterly as they did in Japan...but also, $4B isn't an exorbitant sum to pay to break into the console market, in my opinion.