Adios, amigos

[Nev]

I will be leaving the Shrine as of tomorrow.

I felt really icky after Sine posted my real name online. It's not only vicious and mean-spirited of him, it's also illegal - you do know you can be tried for that, Sine? And more to the point, it's dangerous.

Before I go, I would like to try to clear my name as much as possible, however...

The way I remember events is as thus:

-I flamed Don. (I apologize for this now - Kupek, to his massive and awesome credit, sent me an e-mail that instantly managed to make me see how unwarranted my attacks were. So, Don, I apologize. At this point, I'd take anything just to have your original post back without my flames on it. Sorry for all the flames I've ever sent you.)

-kali stepped in and flamed me, and we exchanged a few responses.

-I then posted some sort of response I don't really remember, but it ended with the reverse castle line from Symphony of the Night.

-I reloaded the page some time later to find my post missing, and two posts from Kali: the current one with the SOTN line that I had typed in for my response (minus the edit I put in asking where he got the crack for phpBB), as well as the post wherein he claimed I had deleted one of his posts - which I do not remember doing in the slightest.

-I deleted one of his in response, and more flames ensued.

I posted that theory about some sort of thread-colliding-deadlock more as a means to try to defuse the situation than anything else. That kind of bug is so improbable as to be almost zero in this case, AFAIK. Which means one of two things: either someone broke in, deleted my thread, and copied my line and reposted it under kali's name, or I am quite literally going crazy.

I've just had a rather lengthy PM exchange with him, in which I revealed that I had bipolar disorder, and practically begging him to tell me what the fuck was really going on. kali didn't give a flying fuck, and proceeded to again call me "crazy" and "delusional". If you guys saw the letters...man. I'm tempted to post them just so you can see how he opened up on me, trying to make me feel bad about being legally bipolar - which sucks like a bitchfucker already, let me tell you - *after* I literally begged him to stop harassing me in a PM.

At one point, I begged him to tell me what's going on, informing him that I've actually doubted myself enough over the whole thing to actually debate checking myself into a mental hospital. He again claimed that he didn't do it...but I would have thought that that, at least, would have gotten him to provide details, as opposed to a vague denial that I can't really believe.

I think kali is dispassionate and cruel, but I won't wish anymore hate on him - that's how this all got started. So I wish him the best. But to be honest, I'd probably stay if it were just his shit...he's not really worth leaving for.

The real reason I'm leaving is Sine's posting my name and supposed address online. I'm not really tripping on it, because 1. the address is wrong and 2. I just don't have any enemies...but what if I had, Sine? What if I'd been in a gang back when and had people looking for me? And to those who'd laugh at the concept, while I've never been in one, I've had several friends who have.

I really don't know what got into your head, but that's dangerous, borderline illegal, and just plain shows me that you're not going at looking after our welfare here.

Sine, I thought you had done a good job keeping this place up after I gave it to you, but this is really low, man. Really, really low.

Anyway, I'll be PMing those of you who I'll be PM'ing, and probably checking my PMs for the next few days if anyone wants to contact me.

To everyone else...keep it real, guys...

[kali o.]

I would stay out of your "goodbye" thread, but since you made it a "last word" more than anything, I'll reply.

I've just had a rather lengthy PM exchange with him, in which I revealed that I had bipolar disorder, and practically begging him to stop calling me crazy in the way that he does, because I have to deal with way too much of that in real life. It's hard, and hurtful, and kali didn't give a flying fuck.

While you spice up my general sentiment, I should remind you I told you that calling you 'crazy' really has nothing to do with your Real Life, I was going by your actions here when I use such adjectives. While I do generally try to avoid using real life "ammo" when playing the flame game, I've slipped occasionally (and sometimes accidentally). And for the record, you orginally brought it up in viewtopic.php?t=2550

I have treated Don in much the same way, and that's kind of eating at me a bit. But I have a hard time understanding why he escapes blame for the same kind of behavior I'm getting reamed for right now.

No one is reaming you. No one is reaming me. You weren't being a good mod and acting kinda wacky. Beyond that, I fail to see where all the supposed continuing drama is coming from - besides what you manage to stir up yourself.

And if you guys saw the letters...man. I'm tempted to post them just so you can see how he opened up on me, trying to make me feel bad about being legally mentally ill, *after* I literally begged him to stop harassing me in a PM.

As far as I'm concerned, you are always welcome to post anything I put in a PM, as long as you don't edit it. I kept up that in PMs for your benefit, not mine. You never asked me to do anything, you spent half your PMs trying to "get me to admit I hacked" which I viewed as either you lying or still being wacky - which I told you. The other half attacking me or telling me, frankly, wierd shit you were doing to yourself and your personal history.

At one point, I begged him to tell me what's going on, because I've doubted myself enough over the whole thing to actually debate checking myself into a mental hospital. He more or less ducked the issue. Someone who won't respond to an honest request like that is not someone I can talk to.

I still viewed it as a ploy, eventual "ammo" for your forum post. I was right. I also said that if you are really feeling that way, you probably should. Further, I had no problem saying straight out to you, "No, I never touched anything, in fact, here is where I was...".

I think kali is dispassionate and cruel, but I won't wish anymore hate on him - that's how this all got started. So I wish him the best. But to be honest, I'd probably stay if it were just him...he's not really worth leaving for.

If my dismissive tone is anything, it's that it is rather hard to be personally invested in anything you say Mental, because I firmly believe it's a ploy. I might have played it off as my "general attitude" in PMs solely for your benefit but the truth is your wackiness makes me unable to take anything you say at face value - and I simply don't have the patience to decypher your motives.

The real reason I'm leaving is Sine's posting my name and supposed address online. I'm not really tripping on it, because 1. the address is wrong and 2. I just don't have any enemies...but what if I had, Sine? What if I'd been in a gang back when and had people looking for me? And to those who'd laugh at the concept, while I've never been in one, I've had several friends who have.

As I told you in PMs, if that's really bugging you, I'll snip it out. But as I also told you, it's a pay site (that doesn't have your info displayed) that simply consolidates publically available information gathered from any federal public records location. If a gang is chasing you down, I'd suggest they are gonna walk to a government building, not track down a random videogame forum. Regardless, I offered and you declined - so your argument/complaint is rather self-serving.

I'm not even sure what your mad at anymore. Are you mad that you flamed Don? Are you mad that I excercised my well known preference to participate if flame wars, which you started? Are you mad that you either accidentally or intentionally deleted my posts? Are you mad that Sine posted a link that only superficially gives info? Are you mad at losing your Op status for justified reasons? Are you mad that I refuse to get personally invested with you because you strike me as flaky?

None of those things are worth being mad about and if you choose to be, you're choosing to stir up stress and drama. Nobody else cares about any of this...but some people might care if you leave.

Edit: And yes, my quotes differ from Nev's, sometimes dramatically, as he editted it while I was typing out my essay.

[Flip]

My real name is Mike Lewis.

[Oracle]

I 100% expected to see this thread when I came into work this morning.

Honestly, this type of exodus is all too common in this history of this board. I really wouldn't "leave" after this. I'd wanna give it a god damn break, sure, but we've all been here so long, what's one big fight in the grand scheme of things.

I honestly don't know who's fucking with who, but just drop it and carry on.

I know this probably won't do anything to change any decisions, but it's just my 2 cents.

(and if any of you care, I'm Devin Johnson).

[Julius Seeker]

Nev = Wolfsamurai, The Sequel =P

[Eric]

This is just silly. Like Sine/Kali said, if somebody really was looking to get you in real life, they would not do it through The Shrine. =o

And most of us knew your real name already wtf.

[Nev]

I was sorry to see Wolf go. But I respected his right to leave. I don't remember exactly how that all went down, but IIRC, Sine pulled some thoughtless, ridiculous stunt with him, too. So I give him props on protecting himself from Sine's *actual* op abuse, not the relatively minor deletion of one of kali's posts that I (probably foolishly) freely admit to at this point.

I don't plan on reading kali's post, even if I do hang around for a bit and read goodbyes and respond. There is no explanation that makes sense to me but that he used a crack and stole the words out of my mouth, and that really does hurt me...and I will not engage in conversation with someone like that. It's dangerous for me. For someone who's bipolar, and who's actually spent time in mental hospitals getting sedated against my will by doctors who had no right to do so, having my ability to speak taken away in that manner just brings back a LOT of bad memories. I would hope that other people might manage to realize that this kind of thing could be hurtful to someone, and don't just think of me as some whiny emo guy.

As for you, Seek, you really need to grow up at some point and realize that my sexuality is not really any of your business. I've had tremendous problems getting women, it's true, and you've bitched on me for that every chance you get. I also have a father who verbally abused my mother for three years by saying things like that she wasn't pretty enough and that he shouldn't be married to her because she wasn't a Hollywood starlet. She finally kicked him out, at which point he bummed around for a few years, then found a wife who's spend the last fifteen years verbally trashing my mother and sister, despite working in the field of marriage and family therapy. At least as of a year ago, I know he still had a fairly healthy pornography habit that he doesn't really consider a problem, by his own admission. I know that my sixteen-year-old brother now has a tremendous porn habit as well.

Do you have ANY fucking idea what kind of emotional baggage that shit leaves? And the thing is, it would be quite easy to give up on women and relationships and just slide into my own porn habit forever more. I think about it every time you make some easy, offhand, mocking comment about I need to get laid. I won't do it, because I'm stronger than that, but I'm curious as to your motivations for wanting to shit-talk me on it.

What I'd like to know is...now that I've actually put a real hurt on the table...do you still feel you have the right to trash me on my sexuality? Because if you do, then at least in my eyes, you have no claim towards any real masculinity. A real man doesn't kick another man when he's down, in my book.

[Julius Seeker]

I was sorry to see Wolf go. But I respected his right to leave. I don't remember exactly how that all went down, but IIRC, Sine pulled some thoughtless, ridiculous stunt with him, too. So I give him props on protecting himself from Sine's *actual* op abuse, not the relatively minor deletion of one of kali's posts that I (probably foolishly) freely admit to at this point.

Sine's awesome, he has been about the best Mod I have seen ever.

I don't plan on reading kali's post, even if I do hang around for a bit and read goodbyes and respond. There is no explanation that makes sense to me but that he used a crack and stole the words out of my mouth, and that really does hurt me...and I will not engage in conversation with someone like that. It's dangerous for me. For someone who's bipolar, and who's actually spent time in mental hospitals getting sedated against my will by doctors who had no right to do so, having my ability to speak taken away in that manner just brings back a LOT of bad memories. I would hope that other people might manage to realize that this kind of thing could be hurtful to someone, and don't just think of me as some whiny emo guy.

Take your meds, the doctors know better than you do. Is this your excuse for your insanity and personal attacks on Don? You want us now to feel sorry for you?

I don't, it's much more fun to point out the fact that you really do need to take your meds!

As for you, Seek, you really need to grow up at some point and realize that my sexuality is not really any of your business.

Hey, if you wanna be gay, be gay.

Though if you're in the business of having people mind their own business, then what was the deal with your personal attacks on Don?

I've had tremendous problems getting women, it's true, and you've bitched on me for that every chance you get.

Wrong, I have never bitched at you about it, I have just said that you need pussy! Do you not agree?

I also have a father who verbally abused my mother for three years by saying things like that she wasn't pretty enough and that he shouldn't be married to her because she wasn't a Hollywood starlet. She finally kicked him out, at which point he bummed around for a few years, then found a wife who's spend the last fifteen years verbally trashing my mother and sister, despite working in the field of marriage and family therapy. At least as of a year ago, I know he still had a fairly healthy pornography habit that he doesn't really consider a problem, by his own admission. I know that my sixteen-year-old brother now has a tremendous porn habit as well.

Yeah, and NO ONE else here at the Shrine, let alone the rest of the world, has had family issues =P

Do you have ANY fucking idea what kind of emotional baggage that shit leaves?

I have emotions too you know: like hungry, hyper, and drunk.

Essentially what you are saying "Dun make fun of me, I'm Thsenthsitive!"

And the thing is, it would be quite easy to give up on women and relationships and just slide into my own porn habit forever more. I think about it every time you make some easy, offhand, mocking comment about I need to get laid. I won't do it, because I'm stronger than that, but I'm curious as to your motivations for wanting to shit-talk me on it.

The reason why I say you need to get laid is because of how you act. There's no reason why you should have trouble with women, you live in LA for gods sakes! There's pussy galore in that city.

My motivations will probably dissapoint you: I take shots at you because you because A. You ask for it. B. It's funny.

What I'd like to know is...now that I've actually put a real hurt on the table...do you still feel you have the right to trash me on my sexuality?

Yes.

Because if you do, then at least in my eyes, you have no claim towards any real masculinity.

I own silk shirts, frequent nightclubs, listen pop music, including Madonna and Blondie, drink wine, champagne, and martinis, do you really think my masculinity is an issue to me? =P

A real man doesn't kick another man when he's down, in my book.

I would probably prefer eminem's book, "I just believe in kicking a man when he's down." -Quitter =P

[Nev]

I'd reply to that, but I think you're doing a fine job of making a fool of yourself on your own.

[Kupek]

-I then posted some sort of response I don't really remember, but it ended with the reverse castle line from Symphony of the Night.

-I reloaded the page some time later to find my post missing, and two posts from Kali: the current one with the SOTN line that I had typed in for my response (minus the edit I put in asking where he got the crack for phpBB), as well as the post wherein he claimed I had deleted one of his posts - which I do not remember doing in the slightest.

I alluded to it in the other thread, but I really think I know what happened after seeing the admin controls. "Edit" and "Quote" are right next to each other. You can easily click on the wrong one accidentily, and the page that it brings up is almost exactly the same. And only an admin can make this mistake.

So, Nev went to reply to Kali and accidentily clicked on "Edit" instead of "Quote." In the textbox, he did what we always do: delete part of the quote, leave some for context. Except Nev wasn't deleting a quote, he deleted the original post. This was unintentional. He then typed in his response, which explains how something he typed ended up in Kali's message.

So that's my theory, and I think it's the most plausible explanation anyone has come up with.

[Nev]

Oh, fuck me.



Yeah, I'll eat shit on this one. That's it exactly, Kup.

...

Well, I guess I have a few apologies to issue...I'll get busy on that one...

[Julius Seeker]

I'd reply to that, but I think you're doing a fine job of making a fool of yourself on your own.

There are zero negative consequences to anything I have posted, so therefore it is not foolish. Though you did just re-confirm (for the zillionth time) to me that you are in fact an idiot.

Here's a website for you: dictionary.com

[Chris]

you guys are all douche popsicles....all of yas.........I stab at thee.....this is so overblown it's not even funny.,

[kali o.]

[kali o.]

So, Nev went to reply to Kali and accidentily clicked on "Edit" instead of "Quote." In the textbox, he did what we always do: delete part of the quote, leave some for context. Except Nev wasn't deleting a quote, he deleted the original post. This was unintentional. He then typed in his response, which explains how something he typed ended up in Kali's message.

So that's my theory, and I think it's the most plausible explanation anyone has come up with.

Nah, the most plausible explaination is what I've pointed out before - and I also pointed out that he had set up this "scenario" purposefully and that feverently selling his outlandish theory on me was just "cred" for any out that came available. Pour on layer after layer of any doubt or guilt or drama he can muster and spread the blame to anyone he can finger. I've had experience with interesting types of people and I recognize the common threads.

Of course, I doesn't matter at the end of the day. But that's what is so funny. All that wackiness, plotting and drama for what amounted to trying to defuse something no one actually really cared about anyway.

[Eric]

you guys are all douche popsicles....all of yas.........I stab at thee.....this is so overblown it's not even funny.,

Half of this statement is true, and depending on who reads it they will get a different answer! =o

[Kupek]

I generally suspect incompetence before malice. I think the liklihood of him plotting and scheming is the same is the same as you plotting and scheming: very small.

[Julius Seeker]

I generally suspect incompetence before malice. I think the liklihood of him plotting and scheming is the same is the same as you plotting and scheming: very small.

Hahaha, I thought you said you abided by the scientific method? In order for this to be correct theory by the scientific method, then one would have to assume that Nev and Kali are similar types of people in the respects that are relavent to this particular type of behaviour. Yet from very basic observation there is a HUGE difference between Nev and Kali. You see, Nev was going back through ancient posts looking for dirt on Kali; it doesn't take half a brain to figure out that Nev would do something like this. Kali is one of the most laid back people here at the Shrine; he has no motive besides something mildly entertaining for him to do. Your hypothesis is faulty, and therefore your theory is incorrect.

[kali o.]

I generally suspect incompetence before malice. I think the liklihood of him plotting and scheming is the same is the same as you plotting and scheming: very small.

As I said waaaaay in the beginning, "some will give [him] the benefit of the doubt" I could write out a pretty good synopsis that would make my case pretty hard to refute but it would only be worthwhile if you really wanted to read it (ie: you find it interesting).

As people know, I went to school for Psychology and work part-time for the Portland Hotel Society (low-income, drug-addicted and people with mental disorders). Beyond that, my late real father and my uncle were both drug addicts - and as anyone who knows someone with severe addiction, with that comes some hefty lies and manipulation.

Believe it or not, you can assess people online. It's trickier but not impossible. The key always lies in examining someone's base motives and consistency behind each statement...

[Kupek]

[shrug]

I've assessed him myself through this board and personal communication. I think he has emotional problems which he is clearly aware of and is unfortunately not yet able to cope with. His responses to stressful situations are often innapropriate and he is quick to feel persecuted, which unfortunately in this case lead to an outright delusion. He is unable to clearly asses situations in which he is emotionaly involved, and he acts impulsively. But, I think that fundamentally he doesn't want to hurt people, but he ends up doing so because he has not learned how to appropriately cope with his problems. I think he knows what kind of person he <i>wants</i> to be, but he doesn't know how to be that person. I sincerely hope he learns.

This is not the first time we've disagreed, nor do I think it will be the last, so... oh well. It really doesn't matter at this point.

And Seeker, I'm applying Occam's razor: I'm not creating anything unnecessarily. I think a single mistake (which, granted, led to acts of malice) is more likely than a plan of manipulation. Of course, I find his actions after making the mistake innapropriate.

Edit: note that the above reasoning is the same reason why I didn't buy Nev's theory. Kali had no motive and I don't think he has much technical knowledge. Buying Nev's theory would have required me to create a motive for Kali and assume he took the time to figure out how to apply a crack to a system he knows little about. Both of those were leaps I was not willing to make.

[M'k'n'zy]

I am not as active a power as everyone else here these days, and I dont know Nev quite as well as I have always wanted to. However I will throw in my two cents here. I don't think you leaving would really accomplish anything. I can understand you being angry over what happened, and honestly I would most likely have been as well. I agree with the sentiment that we have been together here for far too long to let a fight cause you to leave. If you feel the need to, then step back, take a break for a month, 2 months, half a year, however long you need to, but I don't want to see you leave, and I don't think you should.

Again, just my opinion.

[Tessian]

This definitely is WolfSamurai the sequel... whine whine whine.

I kept quiet the entire time this little tiff happened...but this all just sounds like a cry for attention before he cries himself to sleep.

You got owned in an argument online, deal with it. Also, I may be wrong...but what law says he couldn't post your real name? Sine owns the forum, you willingly gave him the information, as far as I know he's under no legal obligation to keep it confidential.

So...suck on it, go cry yourself a river... no sympathy for a sore whiny loser.

that is all

[Flip]

I wish Nev would change his mind. It is tough to lose a hobby/place like this that you frequent everyday when you dont have much else.

[Ishamael]

Not sure if I can say anything to help here. But, I doubt leaving/staying will "help" anything. And no one's name or reputation has been damaged.

[Andrew, Killer Bee]

My real name is Mike Lewis.

Mine's Andrew Sione Taumoefolau! Best believe I'm happy to let my fiance keep her own surname (and she's not going to, wtf).

[Chris]

mines.......fuck....what's my name again?

and to say. I do think Sine crossed the line a bit. you may think it's funny or something but that really was low and a massive breach of trust. posting his name.....fine. not evil....a lot of us knew his name anyway. but when you brought out the address it was crossing a little bit of a line. and yes. I do think he has everey right to feel pissed off and betrayed a bit. I use my name because I really don't care if people know it and want people to know it. Derithian has been replaced with Chris. I made that change a while back because I wanted to use my real name. Some poeple don't feel comfortable with it. I know I used to be extremely uncomfortable with things like that. for a long time the only people that knew my name were sine (when I helped him host the shrine for a feew weeks before we got booted from their system) and zeus and grey because we were friends in real life...mental got the same after a while when we communicated a ton during the time he wasn't involved for a couple years. if any of them were to have posted my name during that time before I got comfortable with it it would have pissed me off in the same way. it really is a douchebaggish thing to do.....

and to say I'm not on anyones side of this. mental is a friend of mine yes but even I know he overreacted. I've made it obvious my dislike for kali but even so don't believe he was that much of a douche. so overeaction piled upon overreaction produced this steaming pile of horseshit of a dilemna. what the fuck people. we've always been ass holes to each other but for the most part it's friendly yet repetitive ribbing. Zeus has shitty taste in movies Ish has lox in the closet, don types so long winddedly you jsut read the first paragraph then ignore it, I'm a bigger geek than all of you combined, seeker is an ass hole nintendo fanboy. whatever. those were fun. this is just either dogpiling or worthless idiocy. so I say lock this bull shit thread and let the issue die lest crap like this continue unabated until jesus gets caught humping a donkey

[kali o.]

mines.......fuck....what's my name again?

and to say. I do think Sine crossed the line a bit. you may think it's funny or something but that really was low and a massive breach of trust. posting his name.....fine. not evil....a lot of us knew his name anyway. but when you brought out the address it was crossing a little bit of a line. and yes. I do think he has everey right to feel pissed off and betrayed a bit. I use my name because I really don't care if people know it and want people to know it. Derithian has been replaced with Chris. I made that change a while back because I wanted to use my real name. Some poeple don't feel comfortable with it. I know I used to be extremely uncomfortable with things like that. for a long time the only people that knew my name were sine (when I helped him host the shrine for a feew weeks before we got booted from their system) and zeus and grey because we were friends in real life...mental got the same after a while when we communicated a ton during the time he wasn't involved for a couple years. if any of them were to have posted my name during that time before I got comfortable with it it would have pissed me off in the same way. it really is a douchebaggish thing to do.....

and to say I'm not on anyones side of this. mental is a friend of mine yes but even I know he overreacted. I've made it obvious my dislike for kali but even so don't believe he was that much of a douche. so overeaction piled upon overreaction produced this steaming pile of horseshit of a dilemna. what the fuck people. we've always been ass holes to each other but for the most part it's friendly yet repetitive ribbing. Zeus has shitty taste in movies Ish has lox in the closet, don types so long winddedly you jsut read the first paragraph then ignore it, I'm a bigger geek than all of you combined, seeker is an ass hole nintendo fanboy. whatever. those were fun. this is just either dogpiling or worthless idiocy. so I say lock this bull shit thread and let the issue die lest crap like this continue unabated until jesus gets caught humping a donkey

"blah, blah, blah". Pill-poppers stick together and you guys bonded during shock therapy. I get it but did you really have to use so many poorly assembled words and make the collective shrine dumber as a consequence?

[Chris]

wow kali. you are the most mature man I've ever met. seriously. is there a place I can learn to be as much of a classless fuckstick as you? Somewhere that can teach me how to have no friends. I'm interested

[kali o.]

wow kali. you are the most mature man I've ever met. seriously. is there a place I can learn to be as much of a classless fuckstick as you? Somewhere that can teach me how to have no friends. I'm interested

Well, I'll give you credit - you used far less confusing words to get your point across...unfortunately, all it amounted to was "you have no friends". What's next, did I make a spelling mistake somewhere?

Thumbs up for being able to make sense, we obviously caught you posting just after a dose. Thumbs down for still being near retarded even when you are lucid.

Sup?

[Julius Seeker]

Call me ill-informed, but I always thought Kali was a person with more class than a lot of people here.

[Andrew, Killer Bee]

Ha!

Kali's an asshole. I like him, but he's an asshole. I'd be surprised if he disagreed.

[kali o.]

Ha!

Kali's an asshole. I like him, but he's an asshole. I'd be surprised if he disagreed.

Lies, slander and hearsay!

Besides, I don't think being an asshole was ever in question, eh? Something aboot classes or someshit, fuck if I remember what those gutter bitches were talking aboot.

*fires off a nose rocket and scratches his crotch*

EDIT: And I'm gonna stop now, can't tell the few who takes this shit seriously or don't find any entertainment value in it. I'm like a kid who has been riled up and doesn't want to stop playing - though all the adults have had their fill. And I really DON'T like Mental leaving regardless of what I think about him personally, but if online shit is bothering him soo badly, he needs to take a small break...

*re-reads his last reply to Derithian, starts chuckling, sighs and ends his participation in this topic*

[Blotus]

Hey remember this shit?

Yes, I'm bored.

[Shrinweck]

I read this entire thread and didn't learn anything new about any of you. Disappointing.

[kali o.]

My replies to Chris are fucking funny...I don't want to be a douche that chuckles at his own jokes -- but damn, good stuff

[Eric]

A stern reminder that even this place is not immune to.....INTERNET DRAMA, DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN!

[SineSwiper]

Hell, this isn't even the "threaten to call my ISP" thread. That was an epic thread.