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 #106455  by Don
 Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:00 pm
Since the Naga game is done on the book version and the White Knights game is almost done on the serialized version, I thought this is a good time to reflect on the series-that-could-have-been-great. Eyeshield 21 does not make the mistakes most typical sports manga do. However it makes a brand new one. It basically treats the sport it's covering (football) like a video game, and it's played by someone who is absolutely crazy.

Whenever I play NFL Blitz I run suicide blitz on defense everytime, and fake field goal or hail mary on first and 10. That right there is how the Devil Bats approach football. It's completely illogical. It has been said many times that if Sena wants to run up the middle he can net 10 yards per 3 carries even if the other team knew that the Devil Bats are going to run up the middle every time. It is downright absurdity in the White Knights game when the Devil Bats are *forced* to go to their unstoppable running game because their hail mary passes are no longer working. It's funnier still that as soon as they switched to the unstoppable running plays, they are basically able to score at will against the allgedly impenetrable defense of the White Knights, but they stopped doing it because it's slow and not flashy. The Devil Bats continue to run all kinds of crazy plays while the White Knights showed no sign of able to stop the 'run through the middle' play. The reverse also applies to the White Knights, as Shin's running game is similarly unstoppable (at least until Sena powers up yet again) and yet they keep on run passing plays which usually results in interception.

I once saw an article evaluating Saint Seiya saying that everything in Saint Seiya worked out fine because nothing ever made sense, so you stop wondering why people come back to the dead with no explanation after literally getting blown to smithereens ala Dragonball self-destruct style. Eyeshield 21 is really the exact opposite. Everything except the absurd strategy employed by the Devil Bats makes a whole lot of sense. Hiruma, the quarterback of the Devil Bats, actually have no superhuman abilities whatsoever. But that's what messes the whole series up, as the strategic problems are magnified in light of the fact everything else seems to have solid background.

I guess Eyeshield 21 is self defeating. It's constant brilliance only serves as a joke when Devil Bats continue to run the equivalent of suicide blitzes on every down and wonder why it's not working. It is also rather sad, because aside from the strategic aspect, it covers every other aspect you'd expect in a sports manga well, and usually in a believeable manner. It could have been something that came close to Slam Dunk, generally regarded as the best sports manga ever, if there is any depth to its strategy. And it's not like the Devil Bats actually need these crazy strategy to win when they can always run for a first down regardless of how the opponent defends. In fact after the Naga game I was expecting the Devil Bats to bulldoze the White Knights by running up the middle repeatedly, but of course Devil Bats stopped doing that except when they're behind by more than one touchdown and have to resort to mundane methods of scoring.

 #106456  by Don
 Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:17 pm
Some more strategic absurdity of ES21.

In the White Knights game, Hiruma came up with a new play/technique called the Devil Fire. Despite sounding like something from Dragonball, it's actually a pretty simple play. They run a passing play to Monta, the best receiver of the Devil Bats. Monta can catch a hail mary pass with roughly 100% certainty, so whenever they run Devil Fire, they will always complete the pass no matter what. Unless the quarterback got sacked, that is.

After scoring a touchdown easily with Devil Fire, White Knights switch to equivalent of suicide blitz every time Devil Bats run the Devil Fire play because they're aware that if the quarterback isn't sacked they would never be able to stop Devil Fire. Technically only Shin is blitzing but it is understood that the rest of the defense on the White Knights are irrelevant people who cannot stop anyone. Hiruma realizes that the White Knights know when he's going to run Devil Fire, and then proceeded to run Devil Fire on every play, only to be sacked on every attempt. On 3rd and long, the Devil Bats finally stopped the White Knight's blitz and Monta was in a position for a sure first down catch. Instead of passing, Hiruma handed the ball off to Sena because 'it wouldn't be the Devil Bats if we actually pass when they expect us to'. Latest info/rumor says this play would result in a fumble when Sena gets impaled again by Shin's trident tackle, as opposed to going with the sure first down if not touch down had they passed.

 #106457  by Eric
 Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:24 pm
Don Wang wrote:Some more strategic absurdity of ES21.

In the White Knights game, Hiruma came up with a new play/technique called the Devil Fire. Despite sounding like something from Dragonball, it's actually a pretty simple play. They run a passing play to Monta, the best receiver of the Devil Bats. Monta can catch a hail mary pass with roughly 100% certainty, so whenever they run Devil Fire, they will always complete the pass no matter what. Unless the quarterback got sacked, that is.

After scoring a touchdown easily with Devil Fire, White Knights switch to equivalent of suicide blitz every time Devil Bats run the Devil Fire play because they're aware that if the quarterback isn't sacked they would never be able to stop Devil Fire. Technically only Shin is blitzing but it is understood that the rest of the defense on the White Knights are irrelevant people who cannot stop anyone. Hiruma realizes that the White Knights know when he's going to run Devil Fire, and then proceeded to run Devil Fire on every play, only to be sacked on every attempt. On 3rd and long, the Devil Bats finally stopped the White Knight's blitz and Monta was in a position for a sure first down catch. Instead of passing, Hiruma handed the ball off to Sena because 'it wouldn't be the Devil Bats if we actually pass when they expect us to'. Latest info/rumor says this play would result in a fumble when Sena gets impaled again by Shin's trident tackle, as opposed to going with the sure first down if not touch down had they passed.
Heh, Shin's trident tackle failed actually, he ended up clipping Sena's shoe, which tripped him and that pretty boy on the White Knights caused a fumble.

 #106464  by Don
 Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:49 am
Why run the ball when this is the first time they actually didn't get sacked? The whole strategy behind Devil Bats seems to be something like what Neo would say, "No one's ever done this before, that's why it's got to work". There's no concern to whether anything they do is actually a good idea, and if you look at how powerful Devil Bats are offensively, they can pretty much blow out any team at this point with either a short run attack (Sena break through in middle with Kurata), or some combination of short/medium pass (they got 3 of the best receivers in Japan), or they can go with Devil Fire provided they do not ANNOUNCE the play every time they run Devil Fire.

 #106490  by Don
 Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:26 pm
Hmm, after checking out part 230, they have lowered the bar considerably which ironically might make ES21 good again because it no longer has one glaring weakness. Spatial integrity is violated as you can that no one was close to Sena when he was running, but Sakuraba and Shin came from nowhere to stop him. Power consistency is also violated as Shin caught up behind even though he is still slower than Sena. I'm pretty sure he can only do lightspeed (4.2s) in a split second, not continously, and yet he actually caught up to Sena's lightspeed from behind in what appears to be a straight path.

It's also pretty funny how they spent half of the series showing Sakuraba to be a nobody and then he suddenly become a godly player. He didn't even need to go through any crazy training as per your standard sports manga hero.