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There's still Bleach, and I'm quite behind in ShippuudenSineSwiper wrote:Doesn't matter anyway, because the next episode of Naruto is next year, anyway. Fuckers in Japan give us this double-episode with a DBZ-like tension building, and wait until the next episode for any good battle scenes.
Tension in Shippuuden? Where? There has to be notice forward plot movement for that to happen.....SineSwiper wrote:Doesn't matter anyway, because the next episode of Naruto is next year, anyway. Fuckers in Japan give us this double-episode with a DBZ-like tension building, and wait until the next episode for any good battle scenes.
After over 40 episodes of pure torture, the Bounto arc has FINALLY ended for me. I'm onto the new Aizen arc, about 6 or so eps in. They're still building it up so still waiting to see how it transpires. Pretty decent so far.Tessian wrote:There's still Bleach, and I'm quite behind in ShippuudenSineSwiper wrote:Doesn't matter anyway, because the next episode of Naruto is next year, anyway. Fuckers in Japan give us this double-episode with a DBZ-like tension building, and wait until the next episode for any good battle scenes.
Way to not skip it newb.Zeus wrote:After over 40 episodes of pure torture, the Bounto arc has FINALLY ended for me. I'm onto the new Aizen arc, about 6 or so eps in. They're still building it up so still waiting to see how it transpires. Pretty decent so far.Tessian wrote:There's still Bleach, and I'm quite behind in ShippuudenSineSwiper wrote:Doesn't matter anyway, because the next episode of Naruto is next year, anyway. Fuckers in Japan give us this double-episode with a DBZ-like tension building, and wait until the next episode for any good battle scenes.
I disagree with that to a point. I mean, there would be NO market for Naruto or Bleach without the fansubbers. I think that's why they've been left alone for the most part...well, that and the fact that they're not profiting from it. In a way, these fansubbers are making the market much larger than it would be. How many people here would even continue on with Naruto if you were JUST hitting the filler (as the US airing is now) knowing that there's 80+ more eps to go AND Shippudden is already going on? Even if you ain't watching it on TV, you're still interested in the marketing items like DVD, headbands, posters, etc. If those people lose interest, there's a huge chunk gone. Whether that's Viz or Shonen isn't the point, the point is there's a big benefit to having the fansubbers there.M'k'n'zy wrote:I can defidently understand where they are comming from. The more attention they get the more likely Viz is going to send them a C&D order to stop Naruto or Bleach, and then they are done. They dont want that.
I know exactly what you are saying but you also made my point. That is the reason most groups stop subbing a series once it gets licenced. The companys tollerate fansubs because it helps them decide what shows to licence, however if they are losing buisness and sales because of fansubs, then it gets to be a problem. Example, Viz sent out a C&D to everyone fansubing Death Note after it got licenced, that is why the only copies of the last couple of episodes are pretty crappy sub work.Zeus wrote:I disagree with that to a point. I mean, there would be NO market for Naruto or Bleach without the fansubbers. I think that's why they've been left alone for the most part...well, that and the fact that they're not profiting from it. In a way, these fansubbers are making the market much larger than it would be. How many people here would even continue on with Naruto if you were JUST hitting the filler (as the US airing is now) knowing that there's 80+ more eps to go AND Shippudden is already going on? Even if you ain't watching it on TV, you're still interested in the marketing items like DVD, headbands, posters, etc. If those people lose interest, there's a huge chunk gone. Whether that's Viz or Shonen isn't the point, the point is there's a big benefit to having the fansubbers there.M'k'n'zy wrote:I can defidently understand where they are comming from. The more attention they get the more likely Viz is going to send them a C&D order to stop Naruto or Bleach, and then they are done. They dont want that.
But at the same time, if it gets to the point where it takes people away too much from the TV show you could have Viz or whoever stand up and say "it just ain't worth it". I'm not sure what exactly that number will be (DB bragged about how one of their filler eps had over 400,000 unique downloads - on their tracker alone - and I'm sure the weekly number is at least half that) but with YouTube you know that number goes up exponentially. I guess the number of people watching it finally got to the point where DB stood up and said "yo, dipshits, you keep this up and there won't be subbing no more".
There's a balance to this and I guess it's getting to the point where the Dark Side of the Internet is winning
Well, you're under the assumption that Viz does a good job on Naruto dub/subs. They don't, and people don't want to watch it. Therefore, the fansubs are still there.M'k'n'zy wrote:I know exactly what you are saying but you also made my point. That is the reason most groups stop subbing a series once it gets licenced. The companys tollerate fansubs because it helps them decide what shows to licence, however if they are losing buisness and sales because of fansubs, then it gets to be a problem. Example, Viz sent out a C&D to everyone fansubing Death Note after it got licenced, that is why the only copies of the last couple of episodes are pretty crappy sub work.
Eric or someone can probably confirm this-- but Death Note ended a long time ago in Japan I believe. The Wiki says 37 episodes.SineSwiper wrote:
Speaking of which, isn't Death Note a limited series? If it's still going on and nobody's subbing it, I don't give a shit about it any more. (Why would I start on a series that doesn't have an ending?)
Death Note is only 37 eps, an awesome 37 eps.SineSwiper wrote:Well, you're under the assumption that Viz does a good job on Naruto dub/subs. They don't, and people don't want to watch it. Therefore, the fansubs are still there.M'k'n'zy wrote:I know exactly what you are saying but you also made my point. That is the reason most groups stop subbing a series once it gets licenced. The companys tollerate fansubs because it helps them decide what shows to licence, however if they are losing buisness and sales because of fansubs, then it gets to be a problem. Example, Viz sent out a C&D to everyone fansubing Death Note after it got licenced, that is why the only copies of the last couple of episodes are pretty crappy sub work.
Even if all of the market went to fansubs, and Viz got zero money from the show, there is still a lot of money to be made from the games.
Speaking of which, isn't Death Note a limited series? If it's still going on and nobody's subbing it, I don't give a shit about it any more. (Why would I start on a series that doesn't have an ending?)
The popularity of Naruto owes everything to fansubs. Without fansubs, Cartoon Network wouldn't give two shits about it, and they wouldn't care about putting it on the air. It's the popularity created BEFORE it's officially translated that starts the chain going.Don Wang wrote:I don't know why you think Naruto needs any help at all for its popularity. Even as someone who hates Naruto, it should be pretty obvious that Naruto was going to take off no matter what. Same with Bleach. The American companies probably don't care about the fansubs because they figure the guys who would get fansubs are not the guys who would buy their stuff period so no need to be the bad guy to a population that was never going to buy your stuff anyway. It's not exactly free publicity but it doesn't bother them that much, either. Your average 'hardcore' Anime fan are usually the guys who are least likely to actually buy anything, and since you don't have an effective way to stop fansubs, there's no reason to alienate these guys.
Maybe, but they're right. It can't spread too much otherwise the give and take balance the fansubbing community has with the right holders will be gone and we start getting jack....or at least it'll be harder to getSineSwiper wrote:Yeah, it looks like they fell short of their bluff. I'm sure the three accounts they posted (on the bottom of the PR) got suspended, but many others will just crop up.
Not to say that posting shitty Naruto episodes on YouTube is a good thing, but Dattebayo's tantrum is childish.
