Real life copycat Kira?

[Tessian]

This is kinda old news (September) but when I was on the wiki looking up Death Note for Sine I saw this.

"On September 28, 2007, two notes stating "Watashi wa Kira dess" (I am Kira, with "desu" being the more literal and correct transliteration of the verb) were found near the unidentified remains of a Caucasian male. Nothing was found on or near the victim besides these two notes. Belgian police are investigating the matter further."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga_Murder

[Don]

They sell Death Note notebooks in Japan. This shouldn't be surprising.

[Tessian]

They sell Death Note notebooks in Japan. This shouldn't be surprising.

This was in Belgium man... kinda far from Japan.

[Don]

Anime spreads far these days.

Death Note was banned on TV in China, probably to prevent things like that from happening.

[Tessian]

I'm aware, but I still find someone who tries to copycat an anime, especially outside of Japan, is a pretty huge deal.

[Zeus]

They sell Death Note notebooks in Japan. This shouldn't be surprising.

Oh God, I WANT. How much are they?

[Eric]

They sell Death Note notebooks in Japan. This shouldn't be surprising.

Oh God, I WANT. How much are they?

http://www.399animeshop.com/anime/death ... a-size.php

17.99, and I think this one runs out of pages. :p

[Zeus]

They sell Death Note notebooks in Japan. This shouldn't be surprising.

Oh God, I WANT. How much are they?

http://www.399animeshop.com/anime/death ... a-size.php

17.99, and I think this one runs out of pages. :p

WOW I'm tempted. It would be so much fun to write up stuff in that. I'm gonna start a Death Note thread here where we can all have fun making up Death Note-like deaths for each of us. Should be highly entertaining for about a week :-)

[Eric]

Zeus Between January 7-30 he watches Transformers the movie daily, then dies of a heart attack.

[Zeus]

Zeus Between January 7-30 he watches Transformers the movie daily, then dies of a heart attack.

You're not supposed to let them die in bliss! It's supposed to be natural, that would be more planned looking.

[Don]

You have to specify an exact date. I thought you guys watch DN?

[Zeus]

You have to specify an exact date. I thought you guys watch DN?

He did, Jan 30. It's the time he missed

[Don]

I thought he wrote bewteen Jan 7 and Jan 30. You can't control people further than 1 day away from when they died so this would fail anyway and you'd just get an immediate heart attack.

[Eric]

You can control somebody up to 23 days actually.

For example when Light got Mello's original hideout he got the address from one of the mafia members weeks in advance so he could plan out the raid, the mafia member didn't die until many many days after he sent that.

[Zeus]

The smell of sour milk is far more potent on Eric than Don

[Don]

I thought that happened on the same day, though I didn't keep track of all the retro-rules they added to patch up the holes.

At any rate that scene you're talking about should've been nullified because the action would be used to cause the death of others, possibly M, similar to how you can't make someone launch a nuclear missile as they're dying. Not that DN has exactly the most rigid of world view, of course.

[Eric]

The smell of sour milk is far more potent on Eric than Don

Shadap you. :p

At any rate that scene you're talking about should've been nullified because the action would be used to cause the death of others, possibly M, similar to how you can't make someone launch a nuclear missile as they're dying. Not that DN has exactly the most rigid of world view, of course.

*Raises finger* But M didn't die.

[Don]

Well they obviously thought that was going to be enough to kill him.

I remember one of the popular thing people said Kira can do is just write like '(some random guy) blows up near L' and eventually one of them got to accidentally blow himself up too close next to L and get him. I guess the notebook itself magically knows whether any action is ever actually going to lead to anyone else's death.

[Eric]

Well they obviously thought that was going to be enough to kill him.

I remember one of the popular thing people said Kira can do is just write like '(some random guy) blows up near L' and eventually one of them got to accidentally blow himself up too close next to L and get him. I guess the notebook itself magically knows whether any action is ever actually going to lead to anyone else's death.

Or maybe in the that event the person doesn't die?

Like if somebody has a heart attack while driving and goes off a cliff the other person in the car somehow survives? ;p

[Don]

What's supposed to happen is if your condition would cause someone else (that you don't know the name/face of) to die, it'd get aborted as an immedaite heart attack. But then you could ask what if they just make whoever's driving the car L is in have a heart attack, that'd have a good chance of killing him.

[SineSwiper]

I think it was designed for a direct cause of killing somebody else. You can't order another person to kill somebody else. It doesn't really apply to six-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon indirect actions.

Of course, a counterpoint to that is the Rem/L incident, which does seem to be a pretty indirect action. Under that logic, Death Gods would be afraid of killing anybody, since it could potentially increase somebody else's lifespan.

[Tessian]

I thought the guiding rule in all that was the knowledge that you can't force someone to do something they either couldn't or wouldn't do on their own. Examples being asking a prisoner in Florida to die in 20 minutes at the Liberty Bell, or have a man rape and kill his family.

[Don]

You can make someone do something they would not do, but you can't make them do something that they could not do.

As for the indirect/direct issue, it's a pretty buggy issue. There's plenty of way to kill L if all you need is avoid a direct kill. It's pretty clear that you can't even indirectly kill someone. There's one part where they say you can't have someone launch a nuclear mission, but it was okay to give the location of the secret hideout. So why not have the president give you the code to launch a nuclear missile before he dies? But then that'd probably be illegal too...