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Copyright laws are draconian and corrupt at this point thanks to the like of Disney and the RIAA to name a few.Don Wang wrote:If you look at the copyright laws, it necessarily has to be very restricting or otherwise you'd get in a problem of 'if this is okay why isn't that okay?' You basically have no power to do anything with copyrighted materal, but Fair Use lets you do anything that'd make sense. I'd assume this exists so that you can't possibly have anything on your computer that's legal if you didn't buy it via DRM, because if you could it might have other complications elsewhere when it comes to filesharing.
yeah, the ruling is we essentially pay for digital downloads from torrents for videos and mp3s 'cause we pay an excise tax on all digital media. That's why we're still allowed.Don Wang wrote:Canada pays the equivalent of the piracy tax on all media that could be used for piracy. In return they have more lenient rules regarding filesharing. You get what you pay for.
Where do you draw this conclusion that the industry said "ok we'll allow lenient copyright laws if you pay a tax on digital media"? Sounds more to me that the government told them "no, you can't have draconic copyright laws-- not yours" and after some fighting they got the piracy tax instead, which sounds like it's barely worth collecting.Don Wang wrote:Well whether the piracy tax works or not is not my concern. My point is that you didn't have some lax copyright law because Canada likes lax copyright alws. They obviously are supposed to make the money back via the piracy tax in exchange for a leninent copyright law. Whether this works or not, I have no idea.
No, no, no. I think you're missing the point here. This is something that backfired BIG TIME on the industries. They said "Canada has pussy-ass government that we can easily buy and stupid fucking voters who don't even know what's going on nonetheless make a stink about it, why don't we just stick it in the customers' ass by forcing them to pay a ridiculous 'excise tax' on digital media? It's like free money to us!". This was back during the Napster days and they figured they'd be smart and hit us without us really noticing under the guise of "being reimbursed" for downloads.Don Wang wrote:Well whether the piracy tax works or not is not my concern. My point is that you didn't have some lax copyright law because Canada likes lax copyright alws. They obviously are supposed to make the money back via the piracy tax in exchange for a leninent copyright law. Whether this works or not, I have no idea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_co ... evy#CanadaTessian wrote:Where do you draw this conclusion that the industry said "ok we'll allow lenient copyright laws if you pay a tax on digital media"? Sounds more to me that the government told them "no, you can't have draconic copyright laws-- not yours" and after some fighting they got the piracy tax instead, which sounds like it's barely worth collecting.Don Wang wrote:Well whether the piracy tax works or not is not my concern. My point is that you didn't have some lax copyright law because Canada likes lax copyright alws. They obviously are supposed to make the money back via the piracy tax in exchange for a leninent copyright law. Whether this works or not, I have no idea.
Your country's law do not allow you to distribute anything, so you might want to check the validity of your stance again if you're the provider of Zeus's torrent of whatever. Now if you're just using up a lot of their bandwidth but you're not the source of these stuff the best they can do is shut down your access for using too much bandwidth and they have no recourse against people who are downloading because it is legal. But someone has to be the primary distributor even in a P2P network. The first upload has to come from one person. Of course finding the source is rather difficult, and it's not anything that'd bother 99.9% of the people because you're not the one out there coming up with the initial torrent of Naruto or whatever.Zeus wrote:No, no, no. I think you're missing the point here. This is something that backfired BIG TIME on the industries. They said "Canada has pussy-ass government that we can easily buy and stupid fucking voters who don't even know what's going on nonetheless make a stink about it, why don't we just stick it in the customers' ass by forcing them to pay a ridiculous 'excise tax' on digital media? It's like free money to us!". This was back during the Napster days and they figured they'd be smart and hit us without us really noticing under the guise of "being reimbursed" for downloads.Don Wang wrote:Well whether the piracy tax works or not is not my concern. My point is that you didn't have some lax copyright law because Canada likes lax copyright alws. They obviously are supposed to make the money back via the piracy tax in exchange for a leninent copyright law. Whether this works or not, I have no idea.
But what happened is they got burned big time when they found out that because they decided to fleece us that they technically were already getting reimbursed for downloads so they had no legal recourse in this country. Considering how much more prevalent downloading is now in all forms of media than it was the 12 or so years ago they fought for this tax, they're all pissed off and are acting like the spoiled brats that they are, using idle threats (like NBC sending an email through my ISP threatening legal action; that was great for a laugh) and trying to throw their money around (through adverts and paying politicians to come out against it) to get what they want without having a leg to stand on.
They're essentially the Daniel Alfuckssens of the business world, it's quite entertaining. But make no mistake about it, this was a HUGE oversight by the short-sighted industries from over a decade ago, not a calculated manner of reimbursement.
The levy is 21 cents per CD unless that has changed in the past two years.Zeus wrote:Mind you, I'm still getting DVD-Rs for 20 cents each and CD-Rs for 13 cents or so each, so it's not like they're prohibitavely expensive up here. Our RIAA and MPAA equivalents shot themselves in the foot by being greedy that way and they're paying for itDon Wang wrote:Canada pays the equivalent of the piracy tax on all media that could be used for piracy. In return they have more lenient rules regarding filesharing. You get what you pay for.
I bought 50 CDs for $8 a year ago so I highly doubt thatDutch wrote:The levy is 21 cents per CD unless that has changed in the past two years.Zeus wrote:Mind you, I'm still getting DVD-Rs for 20 cents each and CD-Rs for 13 cents or so each, so it's not like they're prohibitavely expensive up here. Our RIAA and MPAA equivalents shot themselves in the foot by being greedy that way and they're paying for itDon Wang wrote:Canada pays the equivalent of the piracy tax on all media that could be used for piracy. In return they have more lenient rules regarding filesharing. You get what you pay for.
That's why Demonoid got shut down. They were based in Canada which is the SOLE reason the Canadian gov't forced them to shut down.Don Wang wrote:Your country's law do not allow you to distribute anything, so you might want to check the validity of your stance again if you're the provider of Zeus's torrent of whatever. Now if you're just using up a lot of their bandwidth but you're not the source of these stuff the best they can do is shut down your access for using too much bandwidth and they have no recourse against people who are downloading because it is legal. But someone has to be the primary distributor even in a P2P network. The first upload has to come from one person. Of course finding the source is rather difficult, and it's not anything that'd bother 99.9% of the people because you're not the one out there coming up with the initial torrent of Naruto or whatever.Zeus wrote:No, no, no. I think you're missing the point here. This is something that backfired BIG TIME on the industries. They said "Canada has pussy-ass government that we can easily buy and stupid fucking voters who don't even know what's going on nonetheless make a stink about it, why don't we just stick it in the customers' ass by forcing them to pay a ridiculous 'excise tax' on digital media? It's like free money to us!". This was back during the Napster days and they figured they'd be smart and hit us without us really noticing under the guise of "being reimbursed" for downloads.Don Wang wrote:Well whether the piracy tax works or not is not my concern. My point is that you didn't have some lax copyright law because Canada likes lax copyright alws. They obviously are supposed to make the money back via the piracy tax in exchange for a leninent copyright law. Whether this works or not, I have no idea.
But what happened is they got burned big time when they found out that because they decided to fleece us that they technically were already getting reimbursed for downloads so they had no legal recourse in this country. Considering how much more prevalent downloading is now in all forms of media than it was the 12 or so years ago they fought for this tax, they're all pissed off and are acting like the spoiled brats that they are, using idle threats (like NBC sending an email through my ISP threatening legal action; that was great for a laugh) and trying to throw their money around (through adverts and paying politicians to come out against it) to get what they want without having a leg to stand on.
They're essentially the Daniel Alfuckssens of the business world, it's quite entertaining. But make no mistake about it, this was a HUGE oversight by the short-sighted industries from over a decade ago, not a calculated manner of reimbursement.
Works for Disney. Every time Mickey Mouse (the old form of him, mind you) is nearing the copyright expiration, they petition some greedy senator to extend the copyright some more. (Sonny Bono got what he fucking deserved!)Zeus wrote:Why would they spend insane millions on changing laws if they could just hit the main distributors? They can't, that's why.
Hold on, you can retain the copyright as long as you keep renewing it, no? Is there some statute of limitations that I don't know about?SineSwiper wrote:Works for Disney. Every time Mickey Mouse (the old form of him, mind you) is nearing the copyright expiration, they petition some greedy senator to extend the copyright some more. (Sonny Bono got what he fucking deserved!)Zeus wrote:Why would they spend insane millions on changing laws if they could just hit the main distributors? They can't, that's why.
Now, copyright is so far in the future that it's having a serious impact on society's public domain. You can't legally copy Pong, you can't legally copy old Jimmy Stewart movies, and you can't legally copy old songs of Led Zeppelin or even Fats Domino. That's really fucking sad!
Yes, copyrights do expire, and you can't just keep renewing them. The old law was author's death + 50 years. They extended it to +20 years with the new law. Corporate authorship is even higher. Frankly, I think it should be somewhere around 25 years from the date of its creation (author living or not) and 10 years for software.Zeus wrote:Hold on, you can retain the copyright as long as you keep renewing it, no? Is there some statute of limitations that I don't know about?
It still seems to be 21 cents. So I am not sure how you managed to get blank CDs that cheap legally.Zeus wrote:I bought 50 CDs for $8 a year ago so I highly doubt thatDutch wrote:The levy is 21 cents per CD unless that has changed in the past two years.Zeus wrote: Mind you, I'm still getting DVD-Rs for 20 cents each and CD-Rs for 13 cents or so each, so it's not like they're prohibitavely expensive up here. Our RIAA and MPAA equivalents shot themselves in the foot by being greedy that way and they're paying for it
Arrrrr! Zeus be a bootleggin' pirate-- One of us!Dutch wrote:It still seems to be 21 cents. So I am not sure how you managed to get blank CDs that cheap legally.Zeus wrote:I bought 50 CDs for $8 a year ago so I highly doubt thatDutch wrote: The levy is 21 cents per CD unless that has changed in the past two years.
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