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I don't, there are a few other games I want for it (Eye of Judgement, Uncharted, and Time Crisis 4 mainly). MGS4 I've been dyin' for and if the system drops another $100, which I think it will by E3, then I might be far too tempted to get a used 60GB one, which I could probably get for $250 or so by then. Considering Little Big Planet and God of War 3 are coming out this year as well, there's enough on the system to warrant a purchase by the end of 2008.SineSwiper wrote:For god's sake, don't buy a console for one game.
The original XBox, except for a few games (Ninja Gaiden, Psychonauts), sucked. It was in last place in the console race, so obviously MGS2 didn't sell well, and it wouldn't be economically sound to try MGS3 on the same console.Zeus wrote:I really wouldn't be TOO sure about MGS4 on the 360. Sure we had MGS2:Substance on XBox, but MGS3 didn't go multi for a reason even with a much bigger userbase on the Xbox (MGS2 didn't sell too well on the Xbox) and if the PS3 catches up to the 360 this year a bit as expected, there may not be a reason for them to spend the coin on porting it over. Silicon Knights was given Twin Snakes with Nintendo's push so really, MGS2 was the only one they did themselves. It only gets ported if a) Sony didn't pay a pretty penny for a year or so of exclusitivity, which I say they did AND b) the PS3 doesn't sell well all year, which I say it does.
Porting costs. Sales are guaranteed. Profits are not. We've already talked about this. (Notice I'm not arguing it won't happen, just that there is a valid reason not to do it.)SineSwiper wrote:Why alienate a large userbase like that, especially when a profit is almost guaranteed?
It is Japanese made, past iterations did not sell well on the Xbox.Black Lotus wrote:Oh Jesus... enlighten us.Dutch wrote:Next, the MGS series isn't the type of game that Xbox fans buy.
Yeah, really. There's no such thing as "XBox fans". I bought the 360 because it's the one with the most exclusives for games I want. If it was on the PS3, I would have bought that. I didn't like the original XBox too much.Black Lotus wrote:Oh Jesus... enlighten us.Dutch wrote:Next, the MGS series isn't the type of game that Xbox fans buy.
Which I already pointed out didn't mean anything. One was unpopular, this version is popular. That changes everything. Hell, the 360 is selling pretty well in even Japan (for different reasons that over here).Dutch wrote:It is Japanese made, past iterations did not sell well on the Xbox.
They can state that there will be monkeys flying out of my ass, for all I care. I'm sure the game will be exclusive AT FIRST, but as soon as their 6 month exclusiveness clause ends, they'll start porting on the 360.Dutch wrote:I should also point out that Konami stated this is a PS3 exclusive.
Yeah, well, most of the other multi-console games are doing just fine with their porting costs, so it must not be all that large. In fact, this is probably the best generation for multi-console games. Never seen so many in previous generations.Kupek wrote:Porting costs. Sales are guaranteed. Profits are not. We've already talked about this. (Notice I'm not arguing it won't happen, just that there is a valid reason not to do it.)
I would like to see you to prove that one.SineSwiper wrote: There's no such thing as "XBox fans".
Evidence?SineSwiper wrote: Which I already pointed out didn't mean anything. One was unpopular, this version is popular. That changes everything.
Yeah, you lose all credibility here. The 360 bombed in Japan.SineSwiper wrote:Hell, the 360 is selling pretty well in even Japan.
Sorry, you said it first. The burden of proof is on you.Dutch wrote:I would like to see you to prove that one.
Easy,SineSwiper wrote:Sorry, you said it first. The burden of proof is on you.Dutch wrote:I would like to see you to prove that one.
You don't even read my posts before replying, do you. I'm not going to even point it out, because that would insult my intelligence. (Hint: second post of mine here.)Dutch wrote:Evidence?SineSwiper wrote: Which I already pointed out didn't mean anything. One was unpopular, this version is popular. That changes everything.
I'm not debating that it bombed during launch, but it's actually doing decently well in Japan today.Dutch wrote:Yeah, you lose all credibility here. The 360 bombed in Japan.SineSwiper wrote:Hell, the 360 is selling pretty well in even Japan.
I am looking for evidence, not your personal opinion and incorrect assumptions.SineSwiper wrote:You don't even read my posts before replying, do you. I'm not going to even point it out, because that would insult my intelligence. (Hint: second post of mine here.)Dutch wrote:Evidence?SineSwiper wrote: Which I already pointed out didn't mean anything. One was unpopular, this version is popular. That changes everything.
Dutch wrote:Yeah, you lose all credibility here. The 360 bombed in Japan.SineSwiper wrote:Hell, the 360 is selling pretty well in even Japan.
Actually, this is how the Xbox 360 is doing in Japan today:SineSwiper wrote:I'm not debating that it bombed during launch, but it's actually doing decently well in Japan today.
There was only one that came to Xbox: MGS2:Substance. And it was a year later. Anybody who really wanted to play it already had already done so on the PS2.Dutch wrote:It is Japanese made, past iterations did not sell well on the Xbox.Black Lotus wrote:Oh Jesus... enlighten us.Dutch wrote:Next, the MGS series isn't the type of game that Xbox fans buy.
I should also point out that Konami stated this is a PS3 exclusive.
Agreed.Black Lotus wrote:There was only one that came to Xbox: MGS2:Substance. And it was a year later. Anybody who really wanted to play it already had already done so on the PS2.Dutch wrote:It is Japanese made, past iterations did not sell well on the Xbox.Black Lotus wrote: Oh Jesus... enlighten us.
I should also point out that Konami stated this is a PS3 exclusive.
Dead Rising was a Japanese game that sold over a million on the Xbox.
I can't disagree, but if this same logic works with the PS3 then there's no reason to port this one over to Xbox 360 either.Black Lotus wrote:There was only one that came to Xbox: MGS2:Substance. And it was a year later. Anybody who really wanted to play it already had already done so on the PS2.Dutch wrote:It is Japanese made, past iterations did not sell well on the Xbox.Black Lotus wrote: Oh Jesus... enlighten us.
I should also point out that Konami stated this is a PS3 exclusive.
Dead Rising was a Japanese game that sold over a million on the Xbox.
Depends. If the exclusitivity with Sony runs through the Xmas holidays it might be tough. But if they could, say, get it out by November or even mid-December (6 months after release) then there's a better chance.Black Lotus wrote:I don't know if Konami will release it in North America for the 360, but it would be worth their while. I'm sure they could sell at least a million.
Yeah, I'm kinda pissed that I bought one already. Especially the 80Gb one. Fucking bastards.Zeus wrote:Reallly, if it weren't for this, I probably wouldn't even consider a PS3 until the next $100 price drop at the earliest
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6186728.ht ... top;more;1
I'm probably gonna get a 60GB one used, actually. It'll be cheaper and it has the emotion engine in it. I have so many PS2 games and more will be coming out through next year that it's worth it to meBarret wrote:Yeah, I'm kinda pissed that I bought one already. Especially the 80Gb one. Fucking bastards.Zeus wrote:Reallly, if it weren't for this, I probably wouldn't even consider a PS3 until the next $100 price drop at the earliest
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6186728.ht ... top;more;1
Dead Rising is new IP, so it's on a little bit shaker ground for porting. Plus, Zeus's comment about 360 to PS3 port rings true. The Orange Box PS3 port is probably a good indicator of this. It's much better to port from 360 to PC, which is what some games do.Dutch wrote:I can't disagree, but if this same logic works with the PS3 then there's no reason to port this one over to Xbox 360 either.
I think it was EA or another big developer who actually said in an article last week (or early this week) that they are going to start all multi-platform development on the PS3 then port to the 360.SineSwiper wrote:Dead Rising is new IP, so it's on a little bit shaker ground for porting. Plus, Zeus's comment about 360 to PS3 port rings true. The Orange Box PS3 port is probably a good indicator of this. It's much better to port from 360 to PC, which is what some games do.Dutch wrote:I can't disagree, but if this same logic works with the PS3 then there's no reason to port this one over to Xbox 360 either.
On the former: DMC4 has been leading 360 sales charts. Every title Capcom has produced for the 360 has sold well.Dutch wrote:It is Japanese made, past iterations did not sell well on the Xbox.
Heh, what game uses the whole disc anyway? Usually only RPGs with massive FMVs need more than one (Lost Odyssey).Dutch wrote:I wonder how efficient they are with their assets and code on a Blu Ray disk? It might take a lot more work than you'd think to port it over to DVD.
Me, for example. Which reminds me...why the fuck am I arguing on the internet when I could be playing DMC4?Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:On the former: DMC4 has been leading 360 sales charts. Every title Capcom has produced for the 360 has sold well.
http://xkcd.com/386/SineSwiper wrote:Which reminds me...why the fuck am I arguing on the internet
There's apparently not enough space.....on the freakin Blue Ray discs O_oKojima: For us, we're not still not satisfied with the quality we can do. You know, there's not capacity space.
Interviewer: Wait, wait a sec. Saying there's not enough capacity, are you talking about Blu-ray?
Kojima: That's correct. There's not enough space at all. (laughs) ...There's not enough space. We always talked about where to cut and what to compress.
It's the Jap voice track they're cutting out of the NA and Europe releases, too. How long and often are we going to be watching cutscenes for?Eric wrote:There's apparently not enough space.....on the freakin Blue Ray discs O_oKojima: For us, we're not still not satisfied with the quality we can do. You know, there's not capacity space.
Interviewer: Wait, wait a sec. Saying there's not enough capacity, are you talking about Blu-ray?
Kojima: That's correct. There's not enough space at all. (laughs) ...There's not enough space. We always talked about where to cut and what to compress.
How much shit are they packing into this game lol.
I thought it was around 30GB, but regardless that's a lot of space considering DVDs hold ~9GB now.Eric wrote:Even so, don't Blue Ray discs hold fucking 50 gigs? How do you run out of space?!Black Lotus wrote:Has Kojima never heard of compression?
Incoming 30 hour Metal Gear game.
I agree with you on both counts. I don't need no stinkin' Jap actors for this one. Usually you want subs because dubs are so fucking bad. But in rare cases (like the original Robotech or Akira or the MGS series) dub is betterSineSwiper wrote:Zeus, we were having a conversation earlier about lazy programmers. This, fucking THIS, is lazy programming. Not enough space, WTF?
Oh, and I don't care about the Japanese soundtrack. The voice acting for MGS has good enough for me.
There's not much room for debate on that one.Zeus wrote:I agree with you on both counts. I don't need no stinkin' Jap actors for this one. Usually you want subs because dubs are so fucking bad. But in rare cases (like the original Robotech or Akira or the MGS series) dub is betterSineSwiper wrote:Zeus, we were having a conversation earlier about lazy programmers. This, fucking THIS, is lazy programming. Not enough space, WTF?
Oh, and I don't care about the Japanese soundtrack. The voice acting for MGS has good enough for me.
I agree, lazy programming on their end here.....unless we're talking about an incessant amount cutscenes and voice acting. But even with hi-res textures and I think they're already announced that the in-game engine is uses for the majority of the cutscenes anyways.
I'll chalk it up to them just cramming the fucker full of shit and give them a pass :-)
I'm playing Snake Eater right now and it's definitely...warped. Lots of fan service though.Eric wrote:There's not much room for debate on that one.Zeus wrote:I agree with you on both counts. I don't need no stinkin' Jap actors for this one. Usually you want subs because dubs are so fucking bad. But in rare cases (like the original Robotech or Akira or the MGS series) dub is betterSineSwiper wrote:Zeus, we were having a conversation earlier about lazy programmers. This, fucking THIS, is lazy programming. Not enough space, WTF?
Oh, and I don't care about the Japanese soundtrack. The voice acting for MGS has good enough for me.
I agree, lazy programming on their end here.....unless we're talking about an incessant amount cutscenes and voice acting. But even with hi-res textures and I think they're already announced that the in-game engine is uses for the majority of the cutscenes anyways.
I'll chalk it up to them just cramming the fucker full of shit and give them a pass :-)
Metal Gear has some exceptional voice actors who do a great job in the North American version. It's the nature of the game, Konami wants you to take it seriously(Well as seriously as you can through Kojimi's warped humor)
Considering the internal drive is a standard DVD-ROM, it would be pretty damned silly for them to make the games on HD DVD :-)Black Lotus wrote:Correct. No 360 games are HD-DVD's. So dispite Lost Odyssey being on four dual-layer DVD's, it could fit on one BluRay disc.
