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I'm the only person on the planet who didn't like the Ninja Gaiden reinvention...and I adore the original NES games. In fact, my bud and I regularly play them in one sitting. So I really don't care much for the sequel and if I did, I'd probably just wait for the Black version anyways.SineSwiper wrote:Meh. I'll play it later, when they port it over to 360. You guys should be excited about Ninja Gaiden 2.
I don't know that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360 (Kupek?). It is a pretty different architecture, though. MGS4 also doesn't look that special visually.Zeus wrote:Games that will use up the PS3s capabilities, as they claim MGS4 does, generally will need to be scaled down a bit as it's more powerful.
I don't know why they wouldn't port it. Most games released for both consoles sell a significantly greater number of copies on the 360. Why leave that money on the table?Zeus wrote:Also, I don't think Konami will want to spend the time and money porting it either unless it's a colossal failure and they want to recoup some coin, which is unlikely.
That was a loooong time ago, and in a completely different market.Zeus wrote:There's also no real track record for the port to a M$ system, they only did the one.
It's been announced for the Xbox 360?SineSwiper wrote:Meh. I'll play it later, when they port it over to 360. You guys should be excited about Ninja Gaiden 2.
Oh yeah, no doubt it's different. I just don't know that it's more powerful — at least in the ways that we care about in games. If it is more powerful, that's not been evidenced by any games that I can think of; and you could present a lot of games as evidence to the contrary.Zeus wrote:My bud who worked at Ubisoft (now A2M) as a designer told me that it's better to design for the PS3 and port to the 360 as the PS3 needs ground-up development due to the unique architecture. Kupek I'm sure could go into the details but it's not something I said out of my ass.
Agreed, but even if they had to build the 360 game from the ground up it would still be much, much cheaper than developing just about any new game from scratch (The design is complete and all resources exist, for example). And again, I'd be very surprised if sales of MGS4 on the 360 didn't surpass those on the PS3.Zeus wrote:I think with MGS4, it was developed to use the full capabilities of the PS3 from the ground up. If you do that, it won't be a simple port.
As far as peak theoretical performance goes, the Cell in the PS3 probably handily beats the 3-core chip in the 360. But achieving anything near that peak performance is non-trivial (yes, Andrew, in the CS, blowing-up-the-Universe-with-your-mind is non-trivial way). Which means that any code that aims for good performance on the PS3 will be highly specialized, and porting will be nasty.Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:I don't know that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360 (Kupek?). It is a pretty different architecture, though. MGS4 also doesn't look that special visually.
Seeker, ever late to the conversation...Dutch wrote:It's been announced for the Xbox 360?
Jesus Christ, I can't believe you remember that, haha!Kupek wrote:(yes, Andrew, in the CS, blowing-up-the-Universe-with-your-mind is non-trivial way)
Keep in mind that the last new game I bought was Twilight Princess for the GameCube, and the last console I bought was that GameCube.SineSwiper wrote:"Borrow the console from a friend." None of you would actually want to BUY a PS3, because it's too expensive, and there STILL aren't enough exclusives for it.
I don't really care about the conversation, what I want to know is why you think it is coming to the Xbox 360?SineSwiper wrote:Seeker, ever late to the conversation...Dutch wrote:It's been announced for the Xbox 360?
That's, uh, what the conversation is about.Dutch wrote:I don't really care about the conversation, what I want to know is why you think it is coming to the Xbox 360?
Seeker, ever late to the conversation...Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:That's, uh, what the conversation is about.Dutch wrote:I don't really care about the conversation, what I want to know is why you think it is coming to the Xbox 360?
8/10. NeoGAF is, predictably, going nuts. Great review, though.You're sorry to see Snake go. But should you be? Guns of the Patriots is a frustrating, fractured game that turns Metal Gear Solid's world upside down several times over, but never changes it. It just burrows deeper into what fans love and detractors hate than ever before, and it will make few converts. It's a crying shame, given how many genuinely classic gaming moments there are here, given the countless exquisite creative touches, but Metal Gear Solid 4 is its own worst enemy. You could not ask for a funnier, cleverer, more ambitious or inspired or over-the-top conclusion to the Metal Gear Solid series, but it's definitely time to move on.
We love you, Snake. Don't come back.
They ain't bringing in new fans? Burrows deeper into what fans love? Hey, no problem here. I figure if you ain't a fan of the series by now, you shouldn't be converted with this one. You ain't gonna get half of the references made during the storyline anyways. And Kojima's said this is a hardcore's game, one for the fans of the series.Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:<A HREF="http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?ar ... >Eurogamer review!</A>
8/10. NeoGAF is, predictably, going nuts. Great review, though.You're sorry to see Snake go. But should you be? Guns of the Patriots is a frustrating, fractured game that turns Metal Gear Solid's world upside down several times over, but never changes it. It just burrows deeper into what fans love and detractors hate than ever before, and it will make few converts. It's a crying shame, given how many genuinely classic gaming moments there are here, given the countless exquisite creative touches, but Metal Gear Solid 4 is its own worst enemy. You could not ask for a funnier, cleverer, more ambitious or inspired or over-the-top conclusion to the Metal Gear Solid series, but it's definitely time to move on.
We love you, Snake. Don't come back.
I'm off next week so I'll be playin' the ever-lovin' shit out of that game. I can't freakin' wait.Imakeholesinu wrote:Well, I just pre-ordered my copy with a gift-card I found from some woman I had done some PC work for. Can't wait to pick it up Thursday. w00t!
I want to play it but I want to finish Snake Eater first.Zeus wrote:I'm off next week so I'll be playin' the ever-lovin' shit out of that game. I can't freakin' wait.Imakeholesinu wrote:Well, I just pre-ordered my copy with a gift-card I found from some woman I had done some PC work for. Can't wait to pick it up Thursday. w00t!
Yes you do. That was a great game...once you got past the Cobras (the Sorrow was pretty kickass but the rest were just OK). They were honestly kinda lame, I was happy once I got past them. The End would have been amazing....if they confined it to just one large area. The fact that you had to go back and forth across 3 areas ruined that battle.Imakeholesinu wrote:I want to play it but I want to finish Snake Eater first.Zeus wrote:I'm off next week so I'll be playin' the ever-lovin' shit out of that game. I can't freakin' wait.Imakeholesinu wrote:Well, I just pre-ordered my copy with a gift-card I found from some woman I had done some PC work for. Can't wait to pick it up Thursday. w00t!
How about you mail me your PS3 and copy of MGS4 so I can play it, too? You know you won't be playing anything else on the system. Share!Black Lotus wrote:Finished.
Pretty incredible overall. While not even half of the game is actual gameplay, I didn't mind a bit since every cut scene was presented and directed phenomenally (although some were a bit too long).
I'll wait until the rest of you have finished before saying anything else.
Ditto.Lox wrote:How about you mail me your PS3 and copy of MGS4 so I can play it, too? You know you won't be playing anything else on the system. Share!Black Lotus wrote:Finished.
Pretty incredible overall. While not even half of the game is actual gameplay, I didn't mind a bit since every cut scene was presented and directed phenomenally (although some were a bit too long).
I'll wait until the rest of you have finished before saying anything else.
"Most" is a relative term. There's more than enough game there to justify the price of entry. (As long as you're just paying for the game, that is.) The problem I've had is not that there's been too little gameplay; it's that there have been too many cutscenes. It's a subtle, but critical, difference. I'd estimate that the single-player campaign, stripped of its cutscenes, is about as long as Halo 3's or Gears' were.Tessian wrote:I dunno, I just don't see how people can buy a $60 game, find that most of it is a movie, and feel the price is justified, let alone a reason to buy a $400 system.
