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Import via Bittorrent!Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:We've got backwards censorship laws, yep. I'll just import it.
Don't quote me... but I actually believe that Australia does NOT have freedom of speech. I bet there are men in our presidential cabinet that watch Australia political news to masturbate to and fall asleep.SineSwiper wrote:I hope the publishers don't change anything because Australia's idiotic government says so. This sort of bullshit needs to be challenged in court. Do you guys have some sort of 1st Amendment over there?
If you think the USA is a freer country than Australia you are probably mistaken.Tessian wrote:I bet there are men in our presidential cabinet that watch Australia political news to masturbate to and fall asleep.
Not being an ass, but that's a very American-centric view, Sine. Most places don't even have a semblance of that. Hell, I remember when I was a kid and I went to Israel to visit my family. We went to watch a film and there was like 45 minutes of commercials before it (when we had nothing but previews). I asked why and they told me it's 'cause all TV is government controlled.SineSwiper wrote:Funny, I thought "freedom of speech" was one of the founding tenants of ANY first-world government.
I wasn't making that comparison-- purely that I would bet our gov't officials fantasize and pleasure themselves to the thought of running a country with no freedom of speech.Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:Yep, we don't have freedom of speech (it's for this reason that we can have government censorship). We don't have a bill of rights, either:
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/Pubs/RN/2 ... 02rn42.htm
If you think the USA is a freer country than Australia you are probably mistaken.Tessian wrote:I bet there are men in our presidential cabinet that watch Australia political news to masturbate to and fall asleep.
We do, but it's not nearly as powerful as the one you guys have from what I've heard. It's not like you can say whatever you want without repurcussions, the CRTC can take you out based on other things a lot easier than the FCC I thinkTessian wrote:I wasn't making that comparison-- purely that I would bet our gov't officials fantasize and pleasure themselves to the thought of running a country with no freedom of speech.Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:Yep, we don't have freedom of speech (it's for this reason that we can have government censorship). We don't have a bill of rights, either:
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/Pubs/RN/2 ... 02rn42.htm
If you think the USA is a freer country than Australia you are probably mistaken.Tessian wrote:I bet there are men in our presidential cabinet that watch Australia political news to masturbate to and fall asleep.
Call me ignorant, but I kinda thought the Freedom of Speech was a right given to most developed countries. I know there are plenty of exceptions like Australia (and of course ME countries), but is it really that rare? Don't Canada, EU, etc have similar laws?
Uhhh...no, it's not. Way to compare apples and oranges, Zeus. I said FIRST-world countries. Israel is far from that. Just because the US gives them weapons, it doesn't mean that they have free speech.Zeus wrote:Not being an ass, but that's a very American-centric view, Sine. Most places don't even have a semblance of that. Hell, I remember when I was a kid and I went to Israel to visit my family. We went to watch a film and there was like 45 minutes of commercials before it (when we had nothing but previews). I asked why and they told me it's 'cause all TV is government controlled.
Tell me that's free speech
Ok, hold on, what do YOU mean by "first-world country"?SineSwiper wrote:Uhhh...no, it's not. Way to compare apples and oranges, Zeus. I said FIRST-world countries. Israel is far from that. Just because the US gives them weapons, it doesn't mean that they have free speech.Zeus wrote:Not being an ass, but that's a very American-centric view, Sine. Most places don't even have a semblance of that. Hell, I remember when I was a kid and I went to Israel to visit my family. We went to watch a film and there was like 45 minutes of commercials before it (when we had nothing but previews). I asked why and they told me it's 'cause all TV is government controlled.
Tell me that's free speech
The terms first/2nd/third world countries are obsolete terms; they were used to refer to the countries in the Cold War (NATO / USSR / Everyone else). These days we just use "developed" "developing" and "undeveloped" countries since, you know, the cold war ended.SineSwiper wrote: Uhhh...no, it's not. Way to compare apples and oranges, Zeus. I said FIRST-world countries. Israel is far from that. Just because the US gives them weapons, it doesn't mean that they have free speech.
Damnit you idgit... the terms "developed" "developing" and "undeveloped" ONLY ever gauge a country's status in the realms of economic/industrial/technology; it has NOTHING to do with political freedoms or civil rights of that country. If your country is mostly rural villages with no running water and sparse electricity then you're undeveloped. India and China would be examples of "Developing" countries as they are still in the process of switching from the aforementioned undeveloped to developed (Walk into a major city and it'd look like any other US/EU city; but leave the city limits and you're back to huts and dirt roads). A Developed country would be US, Canada, European Union, and yes- Israel.SineSwiper wrote:Basically what bovine said, but keep in mind that Israel is certainly not "developed" when it comes to freedoms, which is the topic at hand. Look to countries like Canada, the US, most of Europe, etc. Israel is (to take Tessian's terms) "developing", but they aren't nearly as far as the countries above.
Heck, if it wasn't for the US, Israel wouldn't exist right now. The place is a black sheep among the Middle East.
