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Your favorite band sucks, and you have terrible taste in movies.
 #128945  by bovine
 Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:14 pm
It was an above average Bond movie, but obviously paled in comparison to Casino Royale. The story was fine, but it seemed to come from the Borne Supremecy/Batman Begins school of action sequences editing. The extremely short cuts between shots does not a good action sequence make. It just becomes jarring and confusing.

Dear Hollywood, please stop it. Your jarring action sequences aren't making anyone happy. It just looks like you're either trying to rush through an action sequence, or you just don't want me to know what's going on. Please stop. Longer shots, less cuts kplzthx
Last edited by bovine on Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
 #128953  by Flip
 Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:31 pm
bovine wrote: Dear Hollywood, please stop it. Your jarring action sequences aren't making anyone happy. It just looks like you're either trying to rush through an action sequence, or you just don't want me to know what's going on. Please stop. Longer shots, less cuts kplzthx
That was my main gripe with Transformers. I do want to see this Bond, but can wait until video.

 #128955  by Zeus
 Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:11 pm
One thing about this film: it moves FAST, real fast. Imagine Bourne Ultimatum but with even less talking and setup time. I haven't seen a plot movement that fast. I thought Ultimatum moved fast but this one puts it to shame
 #128966  by SineSwiper
 Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:42 am
bovine wrote:Dear Hollywood, please stop it. Your jarring action sequences aren't making anyone happy. It just looks like you're either trying to rush through an action sequence, or you just don't want me to know what's going on. Please stop. Longer shots, less cuts kplzthx
Nothing beats the king of jerky action: League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

 #128983  by Imakeholesinu
 Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:46 pm
Solace...not Solice..

 #128985  by bovine
 Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:13 pm
changed

 #129028  by Julius Seeker
 Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:37 pm
Zeus wrote:One thing about this film: it moves FAST, real fast. Imagine Bourne Ultimatum but with even less talking and setup time. I haven't seen a plot movement that fast. I thought Ultimatum moved fast but this one puts it to shame
Speaking of Bourne. I actually felt the Bourne Ultimatum was fantastically done. I forgot about this movie; and I am not sure if I have seen a movie as good as this one so far from 2008 or since Ultimatum was released. There are some films that I watch and I'm just thinking to myself "Wow, this is ingenious work!" and this was one of those movies. Very solid, my only complaint in the direction would be overuse of the handcam, but it worked very well in most scenes.

 #129192  by KluYa
 Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:15 am
Bourne Ultimatum was an excellent movie.

I'll be seeing QoS tomorrow with mediocre expectations.

 #129231  by SineSwiper
 Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:29 pm
The entire Bourne series was excellent. I've never seen such a badass character done so well. It's like Bond, except he doesn't talk as much, and seems a lot more realistic.

Bond movies should learn from this series.

 #129241  by Flip
 Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:24 pm
RentCavalier wrote:My review
Good job on this one, Rent. But, im not sure if i can handle 'chills down my spine' followed in the next paragraph by 'shivers down my spine'! My spine hurts.

 #129335  by KluYa
 Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:03 pm
SineSwiper wrote:The entire Bourne series was excellent. I've never seen such a badass character done so well. It's like Bond, except he doesn't talk as much, and seems a lot more realistic.

Bond movies should learn from this series.
What makes it great is that it's MATT DAMON turned into some kind of badass super agent... not Jet Li... not Vin Diesel... and it works. I give him a lot of credit for that trilogy.

 #129341  by SineSwiper
 Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:43 pm
KluYa wrote:What makes it great is that it's MATT DAMON turned into some kind of badass super agent... not Jet Li... not Vin Diesel... and it works. I give him a lot of credit for that trilogy.
I guess I never thought of it like that. An unknown badass tends to work better. Even Vin Diesel was an unknown before Pitch Black, and that really played well with that movie.

Even though Matt was well-known, he never really played a role like that.

 #129342  by Kupek
 Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:56 pm
It also worked because Matt Damon is a good actor, and gave his character depth.

 #129345  by Zeus
 Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:52 pm
Kupek wrote:It also worked because Matt Damon is a good actor, and gave his character depth.
It's debatable whether the strength of the character is due to the skills of the actor or the writers and director.

 #129352  by Kupek
 Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:51 am
How about all three?

 #129362  by Zeus
 Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:36 am
Kupek wrote:How about all three?
With other actors, I'd say that's a good possibility. Considering the history of the actor here, I'd say it's much more leaning towards the last two.

Major difference between being in good movies and being a good actor. Keanu Reeves and Bruce Willis have been in some of the best movies since the late 80's but no one would mistake them for Oscar-calibur actors. To me, Damon and DiCaprio fall more into that category than the Johnny Depp category.

 #129365  by Julius Seeker
 Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:48 am
According to the commentary and featurettes on the Bourne Identity DVD, I would agree with Kupek on this one. It seems Matt Damon did own the part.

I am not really sure what movies Damon has done a bad job in. He's done a great job in everything I have seen with him in it.

 #129368  by Kupek
 Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:49 am
Wait, what? Are you now saying Matt Damon is not a good actor?

What is wrong with you?

 #129369  by Flip
 Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:54 am
Kupek wrote:Wait, what? Are you now saying Matt Damon is not a good actor?

What is wrong with you?
Stuck on you was a pretty crappy movie.

 #129370  by Kupek
 Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:57 am
So was Analyze That. Robert De Niro is still an amazing actor.

 #129374  by Zeus
 Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:37 pm
Kupek wrote:Wait, what? Are you now saying Matt Damon is not a good actor?

What is wrong with you?
Yes I am. I'm saying he's closer to Keanu "Two Expressions" Reeves than he is to Johnny "Master of Disguises" Depp.

Explain to me why you think he is a good actor.

 #129376  by Kupek
 Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:54 pm
He continually gives good performances in a variety of roles. He's always good. I'm amazed we're even having this conversation.

 #129378  by Zeus
 Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:11 pm
Kupek wrote:He continually gives good performances in a variety of roles. He's always good. I'm amazed we're even having this conversation.
Your amazement shall continue then.

Which roles?

 #129379  by Zeus
 Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:12 pm
Kupek wrote:So was Analyze That. Robert De Niro is still an amazing actor.
I'll go with Kup on this one. Just 'cause a movie is bad don't say nothin' 'bout the talent of the actor. Maybe the selection but not the talent. You do have the opposite happening with DiCaprio and Keanu where they're consistently choosing great projects but bring very little to the table aside from being a plug.

 #129381  by Kupek
 Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:19 pm
Geronimo, Courage Under Fire, The Rainmaker, Good Will Hunting, Saving Private Ryan, Rounders, Dogma (overall I don't like this movie, but the scenes with him and Ben Affleck are good), Ocean's Eleven, All of the Bourne movies, Syriana, The Departed, The Good Shepard.

By the way, he's gotten Oscar, Golden Globe and SAG acting nominations.

 #129383  by Zeus
 Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:17 pm
Kupek wrote:Geronimo, Courage Under Fire, The Rainmaker, Good Will Hunting, Saving Private Ryan, Rounders, Dogma (overall I don't like this movie, but the scenes with him and Ben Affleck are good), Ocean's Eleven, All of the Bourne movies, Syriana, The Departed, The Good Shepard.

By the way, he's gotten Oscar, Golden Globe and SAG acting nominations.
Nominations don't mean jack shit anymore. Hally Barry is hot as hell but she ain't no Oscar winner

Hey now, Dogma was Smith's best film. But that's another argument.

I've seen all those filims except for Syriana (only parts of it) and Geronimo. At no point in any of those films did I say "damn, Damon is just MAKING this role". He hasn't been Asston-horrible or anything (to me, Kutcher single-handedly destroyed The Butterfly Effect; he's that bad) but he certainly did not take the role and make it spectacular in any of the flicks. He's been a serviceable actor in every role I've seen him in. You could easily replace him in any of those flicks with another decent actor (I'd say Keanu but he comes with too many pre-conceived notions and other baggage) and the movie would lose nothing at all.

He's also had a great deal of help along the way. When you're working with Pitt (he's a FAAAAAARRR better actor than people give him credit for), Norton Jr., Nicholson, De Niro, Williams, Hanks, Cheadle, and other great actors, you don't have to do much. Just don't fuck up. And he's been smart enough to recognize that, I give him credit. Same with the director's he's worked with such as Speilberg or Soderburg (Speilberg may be in a decade-long slump, but he's still a great director as a movie from a couple of years showed). Often times, actors will look far better than they really are depending on the story, director, and co-stars they have. That's why I keep saying selection is half of a performance. Even De Niro, who has as much talent as basically anyone, can make a bad selection and just look OK in a film, as you pointed out.

At the end of the day, people with the talent level of Damon, Reeves, Affleck, DiCaprio, and Willis need to be the Trent Dilfer or Tom Brady of their movies: don't fuck up and let your supporting cast do all the work for you. For the most part, these actors have been extremely successful doing just that. Whenever they try to step outside these boundries (as Willis tends to do moreso than the others) is when disaster strikes (hello, Hudson Hawk or Mercury Rising).
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 #129384  by Julius Seeker
 Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:19 pm
Zeus wrote:
Hey now, Dogma was Smith's best film.
*Enters a coughing fit*

This is another argument we will surely have =P
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 #129386  by Zeus
 Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:21 pm
Legend of The Seeker wrote:
Zeus wrote:
Hey now, Dogma was Smith's best film.
*Enters a coughing fit*

This is another argument we will surely have =P
Start another thread if you wish to continue this argument. No derailing here

 #129390  by Julius Seeker
 Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:43 pm
Zeus wrote:Start another thread if you wish to continue this argument. No derailing here
So, what was it you were saying about the latest Bond movie?

 #129406  by Zeus
 Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:02 pm
Legend of The Seeker wrote:
Zeus wrote:Start another thread if you wish to continue this argument. No derailing here
So, what was it you were saying about the latest Bond movie?
Even though Kup and I derailed this one I ain't letting it happen again

/topic

 #129411  by Imakeholesinu
 Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:13 am
Went and saw it tonight. I thought it was great! It picked up right where the last movie left off and didn't stop. Daniel Craig is fucking awesome. I'd so bone Olga...she's perfect.

Strawberry Fields....ahhhhhhaaaaaaa Nothing is...real.

 #129414  by Julius Seeker
 Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:35 am
Zeus, sorry dude, I just always funny to see someone shatter his own glass house =P
Imakeholesinu wrote:Went and saw it tonight. I thought it was great! It picked up right where the last movie left off and didn't stop. Daniel Craig is fucking awesome. I'd so bone Olga...she's perfect.

Strawberry Fields....ahhhhhhaaaaaaa Nothing is...real.
I am seeing the movie either tonight or tomorrow, I have heard mixed reviews. Some love it, some dislike it. Which means to me that it might actually be a great movie that didn't do what certain other people wanted. I will see soon.

 #129418  by SineSwiper
 Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:42 am
You didn't like Dogma? What is wrong with you?

 #129420  by Julius Seeker
 Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:11 am
SineSwiper wrote:You didn't like Dogma? What is wrong with you?
I have a question for you: When did someone not thinking it is the best in a series become the equivalent of dislike?

 #129421  by Lox
 Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:29 am
The title of this thread just made me think of this:

"No beer and no TV make Homer go...something, something."
"Go crazy?"
"DON'T MIND IF I DO!"
"Bllllllllllarhghghdfghdfhdfhhdf"

 #129422  by Kupek
 Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:03 am
No, that would be me who said Dogma is not a good movie. It was ridiculous, preachy, drowned in exposition and just tried too hard. It had some moments that were good in isolation, but the whole is not good. Coming after Chasing Amy, I expected much better.

 #129423  by bovine
 Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:33 pm
I think mallrats was the best one

 #129427  by Zeus
 Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:59 pm
Kupek wrote:No, that would be me who said Dogma is not a good movie. It was ridiculous, preachy, drowned in exposition and just tried too hard. It had some moments that were good in isolation, but the whole is not good. Coming after Chasing Amy, I expected much better.
Chasing Amy is actually my least fav of his flicks followed closely by the original Clerks.

*awaits the reaction*

 #129428  by Julius Seeker
 Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:07 pm
It is obvious there's a HUGE difference of opinion here. I think mine is the absolute reverse of Zeus's... Particularly how Chasing Amy is my favourite followed closely by Clerks.

I rank the View Askewniverse films like this:

Top level: Chasing Amy and Clerks

Medium level: Clerks 2 and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back (but ONLY watch this one if you have watched the previous 4 films)

Bottom level: Mallrats and Dogma

 #129431  by SineSwiper
 Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:16 pm
Funny, nobody even thinks about movies like Jersey Girl and Zack and Miri. I really liked Chasing Amy, but I thought the ending "tried too hard" (to steal Kupek's comment).

 #129437  by Zeus
 Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:41 pm
My opinion of the Smith movies is basically exactly the opposite of Seek's.

I have yet to see Jersey Girl or Zack and Miri although I think the latter could be pretty good

 #129438  by Zeus
 Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:42 pm
Kupek wrote:No, that would be me who said Dogma is not a good movie. It was ridiculous, preachy, drowned in exposition and just tried too hard. It had some moments that were good in isolation, but the whole is not good. Coming after Chasing Amy, I expected much better.
And coming after Mallrats I expected much better.

It really depends on why you like the Smith films I guess

 #129439  by Julius Seeker
 Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:52 pm
I think the fact that there's diversity in what people like actually speaks very well about his work.

I didn't include Zack and Miri because it's not a part of the View Askewniverse, but I loved that movie... It was like Clerks 2, with greater intensity, and without the awkwardness. I think it is one of his best.

Jersey Girl, I didn't watch.

 #129441  by SineSwiper
 Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:46 pm
Legend of The Seeker wrote:Jersey Girl, I didn't watch.
Don't bother. It was a well-produced romantic comedy, but the story was still that of a stale romantic comedy.

 #129442  by KluYa
 Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:16 pm
I started pandemonium in the topic! One sec while I high five myself.

Matt Damon is a solid actor in my opinion. I know I'm in the minority when I consider his work in The Departed to be a little uh stale but he consistently does an excellent job with his roles. By my comment I mean that I was actually surprised at myself for not constantly imagining the guy walking through the heavenly gates with his wings clipped, or perhaps enduring a barrage of subtle jabs by Pitt and Clooney while watching the Bourne movies.

In other exciting news, I totally understand why many felt QoS to be somewhat underwhelming... after having seen the flick myself over the weekend. Casino Royale it ain't, but as a fan of the franchise it's still well worth my money.

 #129450  by Julius Seeker
 Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:32 am
Kevin Smith films on Rotten Tomatoes:

1. Chasing Amy 91%
2. Clerks 86%
3. Dogma 68%
4. Zack and Miri 65%
5. Clerks 2 63%
6. Jay and Silent Bob 53%
7. Mallrats 50%
8. Jersey Girl 40%

So Critics loved Chasing Amy and Clerks, and liked all the others.

 #129451  by Zeus
 Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:47 am
Titanic got an 82% so critics loved that too.

Does that make it a great film to you?

 #129453  by Julius Seeker
 Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:08 am
First answer this: Where in my post or on Rotten Tomatoes does it state, or even imply, that the number of critics who like a movie is the numerical equivilent to how great I personally consider a film?

 #129460  by SineSwiper
 Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:49 pm
By posting figures of critics scores, you are implying that those scores depict the quality of the movie.