should i just take off again?

[Mental]

i came back under some pretenses that i could apologize for screaming at you all, et cetera, and things could be good and decent and i could have fun here again.

if people are on board for this, let me know, if not, let me know also.

[Flip]

i came back under some pretenses that i could apologize for screaming at you all, et cetera, and things could be good and decent and i could have fun here again.

if people are on board for this, let me know, if not, let me know also.

Oh my FUCKING GOD!!!

[Tessian]

lol and the drama starts again...

Aside from your pic still creeping me out, it seems you're the one who keeps bringing up drama yet again. In your first thread you first apologize for last time, but in the SAME THREAD you later brag about how you still pull that shit elsewhere. That just proves by your own admission that you haven't changed... and here you are digging it up again.

I don't care if you stay or go, just shut the fuck up about it.

[Mental]

what "shit "are you talking about?

[Mental]

honestly, i don't care much either way. i will admit to not understanding why i'm hated so much here, however. i'm just interested in seeing us all hate less...as i said, i didn't start this site with the intention of having a bunch of people feel badly about one another.

[Chris]

ok, you have to stop with the martyr schtick. it's completely inane. you came back I defended you but you've been scab picking in every thread you've posted in. posted things that are jabs and cnstantly point out that you started this place to blah blah blah....as I pointed out last time it ain't your place anymore. Sine hosted it for a long time, I hosted it for a while. This place isn't yours, it's ours and we have fun....we flip each other shit and all of us are friends. You come back and every time someone even posts something moderately mean even if it's in a funny shit flipping way you start acting like they stabbed you. You have to stop. if you can't see why people are annoyed by you you need to take a step back. because it makes me look like an idiot for constantly defending you. I consider you a buddy but the inane whining has gotta stop. we love this place, we game together constantly and have fun. if you can't stand the fact that we rip on each other constantly then honestly you should probably leave because it's never going to start. RentCavalier joined us and we ripped him right from the start. and he's become one of the boys regarless of the fact that he's sometimes too busy sucking off yahtzee to care It's a fun board but it's not yours....stop talking like it is. Us main guys who are around have been bugging each other for a decade....respect that. You aren't doing anyone a service by acting the way you've been. I stuck my neck out for you....and you stab me n the back every time you overreact and say shit that's pretty blatantly an attempt to rile people up and get them to react to you. I was glad you were back. I always liked you. still do. but you gotta take a look at your posts and realize that there is a reason a lot of people hate you. and not seeker hate....actual dislike. if you can change your posting behavior, please do, please be the guy I like and defend. Don't be oversensitive troll you are acting like right now.

[Mental]

i still don't get it, but whatever.

the ribbing is fine, but a lot of it isn't good-natured. i don't particularly consider myself a whiner, but i DO open up about myself a lot here due to the fact that i feel a connection to it.

the site may be "yours", but it still uses images and text and et cetera that i hold an implicit copyright on. i tried to get sine to remove them so i could make a clean break, maybe he did. i don't know.

if i have any lingering resentments, it's over the same thing it was when i left - i.e., you all weren't willing to stop using the word "homo". it's the same issue i felt strongly about then and still do.

i apologize for my strong feelings on it, but as someone who's bi and preparing to come out about it, i face fear and death every day due to those prejudices. matthew shepard didn't die for no reason and i do feel the language perpetuates all that. that shit REALLY hurt me. i actively considered suicide for some time after that incident and i'm sorry if that makes anyone lose respect for me here.

i'm sorry if people feel i'm "oversensitive", but i can't do anything about that. i'm sorry i don't fit into your opinions of what a person should be, chris...goes for anyone else who dislikes me as well.

i still think maybe i can be a benefit to this site or perhaps do something positive for all of us - even if it's just posting funny links or whatever. this site, and ALL of you (even kali) have taught me crucial things about my life in addition to providing a lot of entertainment and a welcome place to relax. that's all i can muster right now.

i am sorry for my failings (and no, the 2pac thread is not about "attention" or something similar the way i'm sure most of you think it is, i really have seen some weird-ass shit around that here talking to people who are connected to the music industry), whatever all of you perceive them to be. i am a very, very human person in a lot of ways, and i really verbally opened up on everybody over the "homo" thing. perhaps i shouldn't have. i dislike the prejudice and feel like every bit of it i don't try to challenge increases the possibility that somebody might damage me someday for being who i am or doing what i've done.

that's all. sorry for being a little goddamn bitch, or whatever people seem to think i am - and trust me, i've said that to myself sometimes with more hate than any of you might be able to muster.

[Mental]

honestly, guys and girl, if you actually knew what i'm going through right now trying to come out, i can guarantee most of you would have a bit more compassion for some of my failings.

[kali o.]

the site may be "yours", but it still uses images and text and et cetera that i hold an implicit copyright on. i tried to get sine to remove them so i could make a clean break, maybe he did. i don't know.

Man that's funny.

As for the rest of the blah, blah, blah he wrote...I can only guess that one facet of Mental's psychosis’ is narcissism. Surprised? Me neither.

[Mental]

it's going to take more than you to make me fuck up this time. what on earth is wrong with you?

it wouldn't take much more than a cease and desist to get this shut down, and i could get that based on language alone. bringing cases is about money, not the law, and you know that if anyone on here does.

nobody wants to see that, though, so i'm going to stay here and live with you and your insults. good day to you.

[Mental]

by the way - nobody should actually be worried about a lawsuit. i wouldn't have come back if i hadn't put that particular fantasy to rest. this site is definitely not worth enriching lawyers for.

kali - just...man. i don't even know what to say. and people complain about me starting needless drama? was there something i did at any point to you?

[Tessian]

by the way - nobody should actually be worried about a lawsuit.

LOL oh god... thanks for that Mental, I was having trouble sleeping...

I've never met anyone who's online handle described them so well... let alone someone who's past 2 did. You have always been Mental, and at this point it feels like you are Replaying the last few weeks before your banning. Are you going to threaten to hack and shut down the forum again, oh lord of the internet?

Seriously, what color is the sky in your reality?

[Mental]

not going to respond to all that baiting, tess.

if i'd had the money back in the day i *would* have sued sine to take this damn site down, and like i said, it wouldn't have taken much more than the cease and desist for the hosting company to probably want to drop "us". they don't like that shit or want to bother with it.

your tone bugs, though. the mockery's got to go.

[Tessian]

Unfortunately I'm not trolling... you're just being a delusional douchebag. I've only met one other person in my life that was as fucked up delusional as you're being with this "I could have sued" bullshit... and he grew out of that once he laid off the pot.

I won't even bother explaining all that is wrong with your attitude-- Chris's post above was pretty spot on with regards to that. Grow up, shut up and move on, or leave. It's becoming pretty obvious that you haven't changed one god damn bit from last time. You'll always be the victim, and you'll always think your shit don't stink.

[Mental]

Whatever you think, Tess.

[Eric]

Eh? Again?

It's a simple matter really.

1) Stop asking if you should leave, it's a firm decision on your part to return.

2) Stop taking it personally when somebody disagrees with your point of view or jokes about it, nobody here REALLY has any malice directly toward you, but when you turn it into "You're so talking about me." You're painting yourself into a corner. It's really not about you, I don't give it a second thought when I post about about who it's going to offend, mainly because this place is fairly tolerant of just about everything.

3) Stop bringing up the site in general like it's coming down on you, it's not. You're actually in actuality bringing the site down on yourself by making yourself out to be a victim.

4) I don't need a long reply and explanation about what's going on in your life, why you do the things you do, why you are the way you are, I honestly don't care and nobody else does, we all have issues, all you need to do it nod your head and post normally.

You want to post about rap? That's fine, this is not a rap board, I love rap, Crono loved rap, Seeker loves rap, but I understand Sine kind of hates most rappers, and the rest of the boards doesn't care one way or the other about it, do not take it personally when a joke is made, it's not about you, it's about their indifference or feelings towards rap in general.

And no replying about why it IS personal to the posts you made personal, in fact don't even reply to this, read it, don't quote it, stop, take your finger away from the quote button. Read it, take it to heart, post like you post, stop stressing over everything, and you too can be as cool as this smiley face ->

PS: Edit button, learn it, love it.

[Kupek]

it wouldn't take much more than a cease and desist to get this shut down, and i could get that based on language alone. bringing cases is about money, not the law, and you know that if anyone on here does.

nobody wants to see that, though, so i'm going to stay here and live with you and your insults. good day to you.

I have no desire to have discussions with you if you're going to make threats against the board itself - and yes, saying "I won't do X but I could" counts as a threat of doing X. If you want to be here, show us by acting like you want to be here.

[Blotus]

Bye!

[Mental]

i want to be here insofar as it is an enjoyable experience for everyone, but that doesn't seem to be occurring.

what i *don't* want is a public record of my bisexuality on the internet in the hands of a lot of people who neither like nor trust me, and i hope people can understand that. i have no faith in someone like kali not to absolutely abuse that information should i choose to "go back in the closet" or whatnot, and one way or another i'm not going to see something i tried to put a lot of time into for the purposes of making other people happy turned into something that could become a weapon against me in the future.

again, i don't like making "threats" towards the board or whatever, but a lot of people on here have mocked me in terms of my "mental" issues - and i am looking at you here, tess, and kali - and it will, quite frankly, kill me if i see the time i put into this site way back in the beginning twisted around that way.

i really believe that a lot of you are hateful people, and i'm sorry to say it. some of you have shown me a lot of compassion, but the overall impression on here seems to be "go away and die". and i'm tired of being suicidal because other people verbally treat me like shit.

[Eric]

Tess and Kali couldn't care less about doing something like that.

I doubt it's crossed their minds, or they'd bother to put forth the effort.

[Shrinweck]

Tess and Kali couldn't care less about doing something like that.

I doubt it's crossed their minds, or they'd bother to put forth the effort.

Yeah I've known Tess since something like '96 and thinking he'd do something like that to someone is pretty ridiculous. Don't really know Kali but doing something like that to someone is very cheap and if Kali was that type of person I doubt they would still be around.

That said, I don't really know you but based on reading most of your posts (and I'm with Tessian here, use the edit button, triple posting is just bad form and seeing your avatar isn't the highlight of my tOWS experience, I'm just saying it's kind of a creepy picture - the light off of monitors flatters no one) I have to agree with Chris on most of his points.

As for Tessian's mockery - you have to live with it and it grows on you. Unfortunately it's deserved most of the time which makes it even more annoying

[Andrew, Killer Bee]

Bye!

[Tessian]

Haha wow... I hate to admit it but you are giving me too much credit, assuming I'm that perceptive and devious. I didn't know/care that you're gay/bipolar/whatever, all I know is you're acting like a douchebag just like you were last time.

If your skin is so thin that you can't take shit from people on the Internet then you do need to take a step back and reassess things. You can't insult and threaten people, then when they yell back turn around and start to cry. What is this, elementary school recess?

[Mental]

Actually, I completely agree. Much as I hate to be compared to a child, I do occasionally act like one.

However, I do agree that I am giving you WAY too much credit. So why don't you just stop talking to me and that'll solve the whole problem? Or, we can continue to trade insults too.

[Mental]

Bye!

thanks for the vote of confidence, brah.

dear LORD, i don't remember what i did to piss off this many people. you all hold some grudges, i'll sure tell you that.

[Eric]

Bye!

thanks for the vote of confidence, brah.

dear LORD, i don't remember what i did to piss off this many people. you all hold some grudges, i'll sure tell you that.

2) Stop taking it personally when somebody disagrees with your point of view or jokes about it, nobody here REALLY has any malice directly toward you, but when you turn it into "You're so talking about me." You're painting yourself into a corner. It's really not about you, I don't give it a second thought when I post about about who it's going to offend, mainly because this place is fairly tolerant of just about everything.

3) Stop bringing up the site in general like it's coming down on you, it's not. You're actually in actuality bringing the site down on yourself by making yourself out to be a victim.

[Mental]

Nice thoughts, Eric, I'll chew on that a bit...

[Kupek]

In case it hasn't been abundantly clear, no one here cares that you're bi. At all. You're the only one that brings it up.

[Mental]

I might believe that - MIGHT - I think you underestimate the depth of closet homophobia in this country. Something tells me that there are at least a few people here who lost respect for me when they learned that I was bi, simply based on prejudice. I've seen too many attitudes subtly shift in a variety of areas of my life (not necessarily here) upon "coming out" or whatever to fully cosign your statement.

I believe you also underestimate the potential danger to me that could be caused by having a bunch of people who barely know ME who also hate me and have access to the entire records of this site. Do you honestly believe that if I ever achieved some sort of public success with my career, that kali (for instance) wouldn't instantly go sell the archives to the tabloids or somesuch? I mean, obviously, I ought to be so lucky as to have the problem, but it still weighs on me.

Me being here doesn't exactly solve that problem, since it looks like I will continue to be disliked more than the alternative, but at least being here I have a chance to try to defend myself against such things happening in the future, and maybe show you all that I'm not the terrible person most of you seem to think I am.

[Mental]

Let's put it this way - "homo" shows up in Flip's speech patterns (or, at least, it used to) FAR too often for me to completely buy that he's not prejudiced against the queer community in some way, no matter what he thinks.

It bothers me that you're okay with the use of anti-gay epithets but insist nobody is any more or less prejudiced against me because of who I am. You're usually smarter than that, Kup.

[Eric]

One more time

2) Stop taking it personally when somebody disagrees with your point of view or jokes about it, nobody here REALLY has any malice directly toward you, but when you turn it into "You're so talking about me." You're painting yourself into a corner. It's really not about you, I don't give it a second thought when I post about about who it's going to offend, mainly because this place is fairly tolerant of just about everything.


3) Stop bringing up the site in general like it's coming down on you, it's not. You're actually in actuality bringing the site down on yourself by making yourself out to be a victim.

[Zeus]

Mental, don't take it personally. There's gonna be some backlash early on, that you have to expect (and you got). But at the end of the day, I'm pretty sure the vast majority don't want you to go.

But at the same time, we also don't want to walk on eggshells. That's never been our style here. So you gotta just ensure you don't take nothing personally and don't try to attack anyone personally (well, too harsh; we all do some personal attacks on some level to a degree).

[Zeus]

In case it hasn't been abundantly clear, no one here cares that you're bi. At all. You're the only one that brings it up.

No only that, he's not the only bi here.....

[Mental]

I'll let it go, but I do reserve a certain amout of verbal abuse for anyone who uses the words "fag", "homo", et cetera.

Long as those words stay out of the conversations, there shouldn't be much of a problem.

------------------

I do want to ask one thing though, while we're exhuming ghosts, and that is if anyone (himself included) knows why kali is so contemptuous of me? He's the only one on this board who's ever actually been able to reduce me to sobbing tears - not proud of it, but when I related that to him and asked as many ways as i knew how for him to stop talking to me, anything, his response was "well, i enjoy the war of words" or similar. It's been nothing but disrespect and hatred out of his mouth towards me from day one and I'd sort of like to file whatever formal complaint about that that I can.

Is it POSSIBLE for you to say something kind to me, kal? Honestly, try it once...it's like you seem to think your face would shatter or something if you're anything less than disgusting and contemptuous of me. I mostly will be trying to leave you alone, as i said, but i have no faith that you'll be able to grant me the same respect.

[kali o.]

*yawn*

I wrote this last night, but deleted it since I didn't want to spoil anyone's fun. Know why it seems Mental is more 'making statements' than talking? Know why Mental's posts follow the same formulaic pattern over & over?

Because he learned this tired schtick where ever he has been trolling the last year...the hip hop board I guess.

Place a set up, throw in self depreciation, get flamed, knockdown set up.

Go ahead...re-read everything he posts. Tell me I'm not correct.

PS - Personally, fag, I usually enjoy a little trolling -- but doing so from a position of "I'll end up on the wrong end of a razor blade if you are mean back!" is a fucking cowardly place to do it from...so find a new routine.

[Mental]

I don't believe that needs responding to.

[Shrinweck]

But... that's a response?

[Mental]

it's the only one there needs to be. he's more or less just baiting - at least, the "fag" part is. i don't actually think kali's prejudiced against gays and lesbians, but he rather dislikes me and he's not afraid to use the word just to try to hurt me. that shows me at least what kind of person he is, so, the discussion's over as far as i'm concerned. there's nothing worthwhile in his post.

oddly, knowing he's willing to go there makes me want to far less. i just kind of have to shake my head sadly.

kali, i hope you get over your issues someday, whatever they are. no hard feelings here. you're entitled to your opinion of my personality and sexuality, whatever they might be. and with that, i personally can move on.

[kali o.]

it's the only one there needs to be. he's more or less just baiting - at least, the "fag" part is. i don't actually think kali's prejudiced against gays and lesbians, but he rather dislikes me and he's not afraid to use the word just to try to hurt me. that shows me at least what kind of person he is, so, the discussion's over as far as i'm concerned. there's nothing worthwhile in his post.

oddly, knowing he's willing to go there makes me want to far less. i just kind of have to shake my head sadly.

kali, i hope you get over your issues someday, whatever they are. no hard feelings here. you're entitled to your opinion of my personality and sexuality, whatever they might be. and with that, i personally can move on.

Set up, self-depreciation, knockdown.

[Chris]

Oh god will all of you just shut the fuck up already....seriously.....this is driving me nuts....and not in a good way. Fucking hell all of you are acting like 2 year olds that dn't have their Binky. Just shut the hell up, go suckle some tit and get your heads out of your collective asses. all of you. just fucking stop.....you're making this a shit ass place to hang out and it's finally gotten to me...

in summation.....

SHUT THE FUCK UP ALL OF YOU!

god damn.....

fuck....

I'm Exhausted......

[Mental]

it's the only one there needs to be. he's more or less just baiting - at least, the "fag" part is. i don't actually think kali's prejudiced against gays and lesbians, but he rather dislikes me and he's not afraid to use the word just to try to hurt me. that shows me at least what kind of person he is, so, the discussion's over as far as i'm concerned. there's nothing worthwhile in his post.

oddly, knowing he's willing to go there makes me want to far less. i just kind of have to shake my head sadly.

kali, i hope you get over your issues someday, whatever they are. no hard feelings here. you're entitled to your opinion of my personality and sexuality, whatever they might be. and with that, i personally can move on.

Set up, self-depreciation, knockdown.

nope, i would just call it honesty. but chris is right, so i'm done with this. cheers.

[Zeus]

Oh god will all of you just shut the fuck up already....seriously.....this is driving me nuts....and not in a good way. Fucking hell all of you are acting like 2 year olds that dn't have their Binky. Just shut the hell up, go suckle some tit and get your heads out of your collective asses. all of you. just fucking stop.....you're making this a shit ass place to hang out and it's finally gotten to me...

in summation.....

SHUT THE FUCK UP ALL OF YOU!

god damn.....

fuck....

I'm Exhausted......

You know, you don't HAVE to read this thread if you don't like it.

[Chris]

Oh god will all of you just shut the fuck up already....seriously.....this is driving me nuts....and not in a good way. Fucking hell all of you are acting like 2 year olds that dn't have their Binky. Just shut the hell up, go suckle some tit and get your heads out of your collective asses. all of you. just fucking stop.....you're making this a shit ass place to hang out and it's finally gotten to me...

in summation.....

SHUT THE FUCK UP ALL OF YOU!

god damn.....

fuck....

I'm Exhausted......

You know, you don't HAVE to read this thread if you don't like it.

I know but it's permeating every damn thread....so shut the fuck up.....create a let's bitch and cry about stupid inane shit thread and do it there....

It's exhausting

[Mental]

let's just all try to do better.

i certainly will, and apologize again for my past trenchmouth tendencies...

things seem civil at this moment in time. so let's relax and enjoy it. i've missed this place...making my own vows never to hate on it again.

[Zeus]

Oh god will all of you just shut the fuck up already....seriously.....this is driving me nuts....and not in a good way. Fucking hell all of you are acting like 2 year olds that dn't have their Binky. Just shut the hell up, go suckle some tit and get your heads out of your collective asses. all of you. just fucking stop.....you're making this a shit ass place to hang out and it's finally gotten to me...

in summation.....

SHUT THE FUCK UP ALL OF YOU!

god damn.....

fuck....

I'm Exhausted......

You know, you don't HAVE to read this thread if you don't like it.

I know but it's permeating every damn thread....so shut the fuck up.....create a let's bitch and cry about stupid inane shit thread and do it there....

It's exhausting

We should create a forum for it :-)

[RentCavalier]

Can't we all just agree to hate one another peacefully?

I mean, that's what I do.

Most of the time.

[Blotus]

Can't we all just agree to hate one another peacefully?

I mean, that's what I do.

Most of the time.

This doesn't need responding to.

[Mental]

You know, you don't HAVE to read this thread if you don't like it.

I know but it's permeating every damn thread....so shut the fuck up.....create a let's bitch and cry about stupid inane shit thread and do it there....

It's exhausting

We should create a forum for it :-)

Actually, I did want to create a "flame forum" back in the day or some shit to keep it all off the rest of the boards. Might not have been the best idea though.