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 #141198  by Flip
 Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:23 pm
Video here
http://www.wqad.com/news/wqad-dad-who-c ... 8686.story

DAVENPORT - A Davenport father who chained his 14-year old son to a car bumper in his bedroom says the boy keeps running away and he's ''at his wits end''.

Richard Collins is charged with child endangerment with bodily injury. His brother, James Collins is charged with assault.

The two admit they chained the boy's ankle to a detached Camaro bumper Sunday after the boy trashed his room and threatened to run away again.

''He's run away three times'', Richard said. ''I've grounded him, took things away. That don't work. I'm at my wit's end''.

He says his son, who has an amputated arm, ran away Sunday and wound up in Wilton. Picked up by police, he says he and the boy got into it on the way back home in their car.

''He decided he wanted to swing and throw punches at me, and I opened-hand smacked him and said 'You ain't gonna hit me'', Richard said.

He says his son threatened to run away again, and trashed his room and broke a window. Then, he and his brother had an idea.

''You know the old ball and chain routine, that's what it was''.

They say they kept the chain loose on his ankle, and set him free after about 15 minutes. That's when the boy called police on the two.

Collins makes no apology.

''Yea, it may have been a little outrageous and out of control, but I was trying to protect him. He wants to run with gangs, he thinks the gangs are his buddies, I'm trying to break him from gangs. I was trying to keep him from getting hurt, killed or whatever, so I don't find him in a ditch, dead, hanging with these kids''.

''The chain was loose. The marks on his ankle, he did himself by pulling on the bumper'', James Collins said.

James the uncle says his 9-year old son drowned in 1997, and he, too was trying to keep his nephew safe.

''I buried my son and closed the casket and everything. I don't want to bury my nephew''.

Collins says his ex-wife has legal custody but the boy had been staying with him. ''His mom gave him to me, cause she can't handle him''

Collins says he is not physically abusive to his son, but feels powerless when his son skips out on school, and is ''out of control''. The chain, he says, was a very temporary fix to a problem he doesn't know how to solve.

''You have to do what you have to do to control them. I love my kids with all my heart. I'd die for him. I'll also do what I have to do to protect him as well. It's just bullcrap that I'm trying to straighten my son out, but nobody wants to help me straighten him out. I can't get no help''.

The boy is now living with his mother. The Iowa Department of Health and Human Services is involved in the case.

 #141201  by Zeus
 Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:49 pm
I think if they charge, or worse jail, this guy for loosely chaining his out-of-control son's ankle to something in his bedroom for 15 minutes, there's something seriously wrong with this world.

Don't get me wrong. I'd be the first person in line to gladly beat the ever-loving piss out of anyone who abused their child, but our pussified society has gone way too far with this veiled child-protection bullshit and we need to bring it back a notch and actually allow parents to parent. But I've also seen first-hand on multiple occasions how these Children's Services agencies do nothing but look out for their own interests without giving a shit about the welfare of the child or what they do to not only the immediate family but the extended family.

Child endangerment? Are you fucking kidding me? The kid is 14, not 2. So there's no danger of him choking himself on the chain or hurting himself on the bumper or anything. Bodily injury? Over a mark on his ankle that he more than likely put there himself (I can very easily put a visible mark on my body with a blanket my mother put on me to keep me warm)? That chain would have to be pretty damned tight on the ankle to even leave a mark that'll go away and that won't constitute "bodily harm". If you think that's bodily harm, I'd like to show you what real bodily harm is......

Now, would I condone the use of a chain? No, not at all. I think it's a little too far. But would I incarcerate someone for trying it? In extreme cases, no. It honestly may be their last resort to do something relatively minor like that. And I'm sure it hurt the parent endlessly to do it as well (sounds like it). Even in non-extreme cases, there's very, very little evidence for "endangerment with bodily harm". Reprimand? Sure. Maybe even a record with children's services to keep an eye on him? Sure. Charges? Give me a fucking break. If it were two days or something, for sure. But 15 minutes? Someone needs to get a grip.

And here's a thought: how's about we set up a help centre for parents with extreme issues with children rather than spending all the money on the children's "protection" which, unfortunately, just means too many people with too little brains making decisions that do nothing but ruins families.

 #141211  by SineSwiper
 Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:06 pm
Zeus wrote:And here's a thought: how's about we set up a help centre for parents with extreme issues with children rather than spending all the money on the children's "protection" which, unfortunately, just means too many people with too little brains making decisions that do nothing but ruins families.
Yeah, the guy did it because he just can't figure out what the hell to do. Kids like that end up on TV with some SuperNanny program, but really that sort of help shouldn't be so out of reach as to require a TV show to take notice.

 #141225  by Julius Seeker
 Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:45 pm
It is because his father is weak and not asserting dominance.

1. He should pinch him in the neck when he does not behave. Pack animals often assert dominance by doing such a thing.

2. When the kid whines, he should be ignored to show that his wants are insignificant to the father's will. This is how dominant pack animals treat their lessers.

3. The father should always eat first, enter rooms first, and the son should only ever follow.

After a period of adjustment, the child will soon be a submissive and obedient human. No newspapers necessary.

 #141228  by Zeus
 Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:31 pm
FINALLY it makes sense! Seek is that Wolfchild from the 80's!

 #141229  by Zeus
 Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:33 pm
SineSwiper wrote:
Zeus wrote:And here's a thought: how's about we set up a help centre for parents with extreme issues with children rather than spending all the money on the children's "protection" which, unfortunately, just means too many people with too little brains making decisions that do nothing but ruins families.
Yeah, the guy did it because he just can't figure out what the hell to do. Kids like that end up on TV with some SuperNanny program, but really that sort of help shouldn't be so out of reach as to require a TV show to take notice.
We spend way too much time and energy as people in general on detective/punishment as opposed to preventive measures. That's a mentality that's not only extremely wasteful of resources but actually adds to our problems. If we're gonna fix something, can't we just do it right for once?