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Agreed, except Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, but I wouldn't necessarily call that a "Jim Carrey movie".Shrinweck wrote:The rumors of the Riddler only reminded me that I haven't liked a Jim Carrey movie since 2001
I thought that I read somewhere that Mr. Freeze was definitely out, too. I think that could have been awesome though.SineSwiper wrote:Mr. Freeze! Please be Mr. Freeze! And make it closer to the Animated Series' version, not the "bat nipples" Ah-nuld version.
I considered that but it was ruined for me by the fact that I had friends who thought it was the best fucking thing since sliced bread.Shellie wrote:Agreed, except Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, but I wouldn't necessarily call that a "Jim Carrey movie".Shrinweck wrote:The rumors of the Riddler only reminded me that I haven't liked a Jim Carrey movie since 2001
Imagine if bread weren't sliced, how different would your life and the entire culinary world be.......Mully wrote:Is sliced bread really THAT important of an "invention" that it the one thing to surpass over everything else.
Yeah, god forbid we would be eating better sandwiches on good bread that is only sliced when you do it.Zeus wrote:Imagine if bread weren't sliced, how different would your life and the entire culinary world be.......Mully wrote:Is sliced bread really THAT important of an "invention" that it the one thing to surpass over everything else.
But that bread is still sliced at some point. The question is what would life be like if there was no slicing??? I shudder to imagine.SineSwiper wrote:Yeah, god forbid we would be eating better sandwiches on good bread that is only sliced when you do it.Zeus wrote:Imagine if bread weren't sliced, how different would your life and the entire culinary world be.......Mully wrote:Is sliced bread really THAT important of an "invention" that it the one thing to surpass over everything else.
Calzones, torpedos, taking about the core of the bread and stuffing it with something else.Lox wrote:But that bread is still sliced at some point. The question is what would life be like if there was no slicing??? I shudder to imagine.
What? I've never taken it that way.SineSwiper wrote:Anyway, "sliced bread" means "pre-sliced bread". I don't think the person who coined the term was talking about never slicing the bread.Lox wrote:But that bread is still sliced at some point. The question is what would life be like if there was no slicing??? I shudder to imagine.
I believe the term refers to buying pre-sliced bread. That's the whole point, taking away the work of having to do it every time at every meal for basically every household, thus the greatness of the invention due to the pervasiveness of it.Lox wrote:But that bread is still sliced at some point. The question is what would life be like if there was no slicing??? I shudder to imagine.SineSwiper wrote:Yeah, god forbid we would be eating better sandwiches on good bread that is only sliced when you do it.Zeus wrote: Imagine if bread weren't sliced, how different would your life and the entire culinary world be.......
Thats what ive always taken it to mean. So, i guess i have to agree with Sine... *le sigh*Shrinweck wrote:What? I've never taken it that way.SineSwiper wrote:Anyway, "sliced bread" means "pre-sliced bread". I don't think the person who coined the term was talking about never slicing the bread.Lox wrote:But that bread is still sliced at some point. The question is what would life be like if there was no slicing??? I shudder to imagine.
My top picks for villain are Catwoman, Talia Al Ghul, and Penguin. I would say Harley Quinn but he ain't gonna revive the Joker and she's a nothing character without himEric wrote:Catwoman could enter the frey now that Rachael is dead, not as the main villain but on the side, two face like.
Blah, those choices suck. Was Ghul the villian in the first one?Zeus wrote:My top picks for villain are Catwoman, Talia Al Ghul, and Penguin. I would say Harley Quinn but he ain't gonna revive the Joker and she's a nothing character without himEric wrote:Catwoman could enter the frey now that Rachael is dead, not as the main villain but on the side, two face like.
Interestingly enough, I think a great Harley Quinn would have been Brittany Murphy.Zeus wrote:My top picks for villain are Catwoman, Talia Al Ghul, and Penguin. I would say Harley Quinn but he ain't gonna revive the Joker and she's a nothing character without himEric wrote:Catwoman could enter the frey now that Rachael is dead, not as the main villain but on the side, two face like.
Rah's Al Ghul (Liam Neeson) was the villain in the first. It would make sense in the world Nolan created to have his daughter come into the equationSineSwiper wrote:Blah, those choices suck. Was Ghul the villian in the first one?Zeus wrote:My top picks for villain are Catwoman, Talia Al Ghul, and Penguin. I would say Harley Quinn but he ain't gonna revive the Joker and she's a nothing character without himEric wrote:Catwoman could enter the frey now that Rachael is dead, not as the main villain but on the side, two face like.
I don't think any changes would be needed for Penguin. At most, they'd need to tone down a couple couple-booky things. He's basically a violent, money-hungry, bird-loving mobster with a long nose. Heck, they could even fuse his fingers together since that shows up in various forms in the comics. It's a realistic take on his "flipper hands". If they tone down the umbrella contraptions a bit and keep them realistic, I think he'd work nicely.Zeus wrote:Catwoman will most certainly be in it in some way, even if it's just mentioning Selina Kyle in passing. As choices of the actual villain? Penguin COULD fit with some changes
I don't think Nolan is into love triangles, or at least the kind you're thinking of for this movie. (Yes, I know about The Prestige, but that was more serious and pivotal to the plot.)Zeus wrote:Poison Ivy's intriguing, but I'm not so sure how she'd fit into Nolan's Batman. Same with Mr. Freeze. For both, they'd have to overcome Schumaker's shit which might not be possible. At least Catwoman was in a Burton flick, she ain't damaged goods like the others. That's why Talia Al Ghul is perfect. She can be both the villain, tie to the original, AND create a love triangle for Bruce Wayne.
I admit I only know Bane from the game, that shitty movie, and the cartoon series'. With that background, I can't imagine him being a main character. Maybe a brute with a bit of a backstory, and he can hang around for a few flicks, but the main guy? I don't see it. But I do admit there may be a little bit of ignorance on my partLox wrote:Why can't Bane be a main villain? I hope you're not basing the character off of how he was used in Batman & Robin as we all know that was a crapfest. He was a major enemy to Batman mentally and physically and was the one who broke Batman's back.
The Burton films are excellent, even now. They're a far different style from the last decade of superhero flicks, but they're still great films nonetheless. And it's not like I haven't seen them in a decade. I've seen both within the last year, they've held up quite well.SineSwiper wrote:I don't think Nolan is into love triangles, or at least the kind you're thinking of for this movie. (Yes, I know about The Prestige, but that was more serious and pivotal to the plot.)Zeus wrote:Poison Ivy's intriguing, but I'm not so sure how she'd fit into Nolan's Batman. Same with Mr. Freeze. For both, they'd have to overcome Schumaker's shit which might not be possible. At least Catwoman was in a Burton flick, she ain't damaged goods like the others. That's why Talia Al Ghul is perfect. She can be both the villain, tie to the original, AND create a love triangle for Bruce Wayne.
And Catwoman is already damaged goods BECAUSE of the Burton flick. Her costume was horrible, and she was (over)played by Michelle Pfeiffer. Every time I think back to the Burton flicks and compared them to the Nolan flicks, I think about how horribly aged the Burton ones are. I can't believe people liked these movies. Hell, Val Kilmer made a better Batman, even if he was in a Shitmaker film.
Besides, I more associate with the Animated Series and video games than the movies. Mr. Freeze in the B:AS was awesome. Clayface in the B:AS was awesome. (Can you imagine all of the shapeshifting special effects the AS used in a movie?) I think part of it had to do with good voice acting, but having a good back story really helps, too.
Adults used to watch this stuff because it was so good. I remember my dad and I both keeping track of this series every time it came on.
After he escapes from prison, he makes it his goal to defeat Batman, who he's heard a lot about, and weakens him slowly by freeing Arkham inmates. He basically wears Batman to the point of mental and physical exhaustion and then snaps his back in the Batcave. He's smart, strong, and deadly.Wikipedia about Bane wrote:Bane was born in the fictional Caribbean Republic of Santa Prisca, in a prison called Peña Duro ("Hard Rock"). His father had been a revolutionary and had escaped Santa Prisca's court system. The corrupt government however decreed that his young son would serve out the man's life sentence, and thus Bane's childhood and early adult life are spent in the amoral penitentiary environment. Though imprisoned, his natural abilities allow him to develop extraordinary skills within the prison's walls. He reads as many books as he can get his hands on, builds up his body in the prison's gym, and learns to fight in the merciless school of prison life. Despite his circumstances, he finds teachers of various sorts during his incarceration, ranging from hardened convicts to an elderly Jesuit priest, under whose tutelage he apparently receives a classical education. Bane murders this priest upon his return to Santa Prisca years later. However, he commits his first murder at the age of eight, stabbing a criminal who wanted to use him to gain information about the prison. During his years in prison, Bane carries a teddy bear he calls Osito (Spanish for "little bear"), whom he considers his only friend. It is revealed that Osito has a hole in his back to hold a knife that Bane uses against anyone who bullies him.
Bane ultimately establishes himself as the "king" of Peña Duro prison. The prison's controllers take note and eventually force him to become a test subject for a mysterious drug known as Venom, which had killed all other subjects. It nearly kills him at first, but he survives and finds the drug vastly increases his physical strength, although he needs to take it every 12 hours (via a system of tubes pumped directly into his brain) or he would suffer debilitating side-effects
Everything sounds like it would be pretty neat and a good fit into the Nolan universe....except for the reaction to Venom. I really don't think Nolan wants to get all biological and fantastical on us in a gritty, realistic superhero series.Lox wrote:After he escapes from prison, he makes it his goal to defeat Batman, who he's heard a lot about, and weakens him slowly by freeing Arkham inmates. He basically wears Batman to the point of mental and physical exhaustion and then snaps his back in the Batcave. He's smart, strong, and deadly.Wikipedia about Bane wrote:Bane was born in the fictional Caribbean Republic of Santa Prisca, in a prison called Peña Duro ("Hard Rock"). His father had been a revolutionary and had escaped Santa Prisca's court system. The corrupt government however decreed that his young son would serve out the man's life sentence, and thus Bane's childhood and early adult life are spent in the amoral penitentiary environment. Though imprisoned, his natural abilities allow him to develop extraordinary skills within the prison's walls. He reads as many books as he can get his hands on, builds up his body in the prison's gym, and learns to fight in the merciless school of prison life. Despite his circumstances, he finds teachers of various sorts during his incarceration, ranging from hardened convicts to an elderly Jesuit priest, under whose tutelage he apparently receives a classical education. Bane murders this priest upon his return to Santa Prisca years later. However, he commits his first murder at the age of eight, stabbing a criminal who wanted to use him to gain information about the prison. During his years in prison, Bane carries a teddy bear he calls Osito (Spanish for "little bear"), whom he considers his only friend. It is revealed that Osito has a hole in his back to hold a knife that Bane uses against anyone who bullies him.
Bane ultimately establishes himself as the "king" of Peña Duro prison. The prison's controllers take note and eventually force him to become a test subject for a mysterious drug known as Venom, which had killed all other subjects. It nearly kills him at first, but he survives and finds the drug vastly increases his physical strength, although he needs to take it every 12 hours (via a system of tubes pumped directly into his brain) or he would suffer debilitating side-effects
Well, this is coming from the guy who created "Wanted" about people who could BEND BULLETS by flinging their guns around. Sharp contrast to the realism conversation above that.Mully wrote:**** The next wrinkle in the story came in the form of "Wanted" and "Kick Ass" creator Mark Millar. The writer recently dropped two tweets which he indicated were gossip he'd heard at a convention - "I know who the villain(s) are in Batman 3 and the big scene outside Gotham sounds awesome. Totally timely locale... One of the villains is from my favourite childhood run on the character. Again, very unexpected." ****
Well, for Penguin, he could still have some kind of umbrella contraptions. A blade would work really well. Even a gun of some kind would work. It'd add to the eccentricity of the character. Add that to his love of birds, his penguin-like appearance, his obsession with money and nice things, and his ruthless mobster nature and he'd be a cool enemy.Mully wrote:Nolan took Ghul's character and made him from immortal to parlor trick (it's just a name carried on by different men), the Scarecrow (which I particuallry didn't like his story, but..) could medically chemically happen, the Joker is just a mad man. So Nolan wants his movies to be basically real life. I don't believe he would go for the above theories like:
Penquin - the above specualtaion could happen, just a gangster with a big nose, but then he would just be that guy that... a ganster with a big nose without his umbrellas...boring. Kind of like that guy from Batman Begins that ate at the resturant, the one Katie Holmes wanted to prosecute. Just a gangster, like Nolan's Joker, but without madness.
Poison Ivy could work with her chemical/pharamones, but she would be just Scarecrow again...with tits. I think theatrically ruined by Schumacher, Schwarts and co.
Mr. Freeze. ---- WAAAY TO MANY FREEZING PUNS to be took seriously ever again, also thanks to Schumacher, Schwarts and co...especially Schwarts.
Bane - really? Too comic book-y for Nolan. Has to have "venom" injections to the brain every so often? That couldn't be further from the real world.
What does Tom Hardy and filming in New Orleans mean? Any villians from there? Tom Hardy could be a villian.
**** The next wrinkle in the story came in the form of "Wanted" and "Kick Ass" creator Mark Millar. The writer recently dropped two tweets which he indicated were gossip he'd heard at a convention - "I know who the villain(s) are in Batman 3 and the big scene outside Gotham sounds awesome. Totally timely locale... One of the villains is from my favourite childhood run on the character. Again, very unexpected." ****
*Sorry for so many grammar mistakes a mispellings. Up really late and sick.
We have been thinking outside the box....of non-comic-y characters like in Nolan's previous films. That's been the entire basis for my arguments against Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze (well, that and they were Shitmaker villains) and initially against Bane as well, hence my insistence they remove Venom from his storyline.Lox wrote:Basically, what I'm getting at is that everyone needs to stop thinking so inside the box. There are ways to make most of these characters work if you think about it.
Also, just thought of another cool character: Scar Face and the Ventriloquist.
Hell, the backstory that B:AS could still work: a chemical accident with a special chemical caused his skin to permanently require subzero temperatures.Lox wrote:Mr. Freeze could work realistically if he was a scientist with a medical condition that forced him into sub-zero temperatures. Perhaps his weapon could be some kind of chemical that freezes. He could still wear a Mr. Freeze-esque body suit to protect him when he's out in public.
Didn't Nolan (he's producing Superman) actually rule out any cross-over between the two? You would think with the popularity of the cross-overs over the last decade might make them at least hint at it. I know I'd love to see itkali o. wrote:Superman as the villian...ah, wishful thinking.
Animated onlyMully wrote:Wasn't there a straight to dvd on that?
