A Game of Thrones

[Zeus]

When did journalist stop doing the job of research?

Approximately 1987

[Imakeholesinu]

I wouldn't go that early. I say after 1992.

[Shellie]

I must say, the first episode was a little shocking to me. Dany looked a little too young to me at first to be portrayed as she was (well, she IS in the books). It did make me a little uncomfortable. I got over it, but I do notice the scenes where sex is just thrown in for no reason, as mentioned from the article the scene with Littlefinger in the brothel. Just like Ross is in the series WAY more than she is in the books. But I get it, I don't think it's degrading, and it doesn't bother me, but I do think it's unnecessary when it does nothing for the story. Of course, any scene with Tyrion and boobs is well warranted


Is it weird I think Tyrion is kinda hot?

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Errr, wow!

http://www.geekologie.com/image.php?pat ... -large.jpg

[Shellie]

wow!

[Zeus]

Errr, wow!

http://www.geekologie.com/image.php?pat ... -large.jpg

That's pretty neat

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A Dance With Dragons is out today.

[Blotus]

I've watched this season twice now and love it. Was compelled to pick up the second book a couple weeks back, and finished it a few days ago. Now I'm onto the third.

OBSESSED!

But I've learned by now to stay away from all boards/fansites 'cause I've had some things spoiled for me already.

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Awww yeah, the 3rd is so good. And long. ADwD is supposed to be even longer, like encyclopedia thick.

Im glad the series has brought more people into the fold, i honestly havnt talked to one person who has either seen season 1 or read the first book who hasnt liked it.

[Lox]

I've only gotten into the Prologue of aDwD and it's already got me drooling with anticipation.

The hardcover is almost 1000 pages long. I can't remember how long aFfC was.

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I can't remember how long aFfC was.

Pathetically short.

[Blotus]

Anybody play the board game?

[Anarky]

Anybody play the board game?

Nope, but I'm interested in it.

... I've spent the last 5 minutes trying to come up with some funny joke/quip regarding the game to no avail.

[Anarky]

Also.. no really a spoiler but my favorite quote form the books that gets repeated a lot.

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Cersei is a lying whore, she's been fucking Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and probably Moon Boy for all I know

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Also.. no really a spoiler but my favorite quote form the books that gets repeated a lot.

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Cersei is a lying whore, she's been fucking Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and probably Moon Boy for all I know

Just a feast for crows reference

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Man, they throw cersei under the bus so much, lol. In feast, i start to feel bad for her. Everything thinks she is a slut and stupid as fuck. On a song of ice and fire forum i visit, the women seriously think GRRM has an issue with women.

[Anarky]

Also.. no really a spoiler but my favorite quote form the books that gets repeated a lot.

Spoiler: show

Cersei is a lying whore, she's been fucking Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and probably Moon Boy for all I know

Just a feast for crows reference

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Man, they throw cersei under the bus so much, lol. In feast, i start to feel bad for her. Everything thinks she is a slut and stupid as fuck. On a song of ice and fire forum i visit, the women seriously think GRRM has an issue with women.

Thoughts:

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The Cersei chapters made me dislike her more and more. Sure she is a tragic character who was married to the Slob of a man Robert became. She was used as a pawn for Tywin her entire life. She did raise Joffery to be the biggest twat in Westeros, and god willing she'd do the same to Tommen.

I don't think GRRM necessarily has an issue with women. You have characters like Arya and Caitlin Stark to balance out characters like Cercei and Sansa.

[Anarky]

Apparently we might be looking at 8 books now:
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainmen ... ns/241738/

[Blotus]

STORM OF SWORDS (3rd book) SPOILERS

You've been warned.

Spoiler: show

Just finished Catalyn's final chapter. It had been spoiled for me in some ways since I'd seen somebody post a comment in a GoT news story to the affect of "CATALYN AND ROBB DIE!!!LOL", and I had heard about something called the Red Wedding, but I thought that may have involved Melisandre (Stannis' red priest of Myr) doing something at Joffrey's wedding to Margery.

Still, wow. I didn't see it coming as it did, and I was holding out hope that Arya would see her mother and brother again, but nay. It was only when Catalyn had gotten suspicious over one of the Frey's acting queer that I knew it was going to happen.

I liked Clash of Kings a lot, but I looove Storm of Swords so far. Jamie as a POV is great, I like his story with Brienne. I also like Davos a lot. Only chapters I'm not crazy about this time around are Bran's since not much has happened yet but the wolf dreams and travel.

I'll probably finish this one by the end of the week.

You know nothin', Jon Snow.

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STORM OF SWORDS (3rd book) SPOILERS

You've been warned.

Spoiler: show

Just finished Catalyn's final chapter. It had been spoiled for me in some ways since I'd seen somebody post a comment in a GoT news story to the affect of "CATALYN AND ROBB DIE!!!LOL", and I had heard about something called the Red Wedding, but I thought that may have involved Melisandre (Stannis' red priest of Myr) doing something at Joffrey's wedding to Margery.

Still, wow. I didn't see it coming as it did, and I was holding out hope that Arya would see her mother and brother again, but nay. It was only when Catalyn had gotten suspicious over one of the Frey's acting queer that I knew it was going to happen.

I liked Clash of Kings a lot, but I looove Storm of Swords so far. Jamie as a POV is great, I like his story with Brienne. I also like Davos a lot. Only chapters I'm not crazy about this time around are Bran's since not much has happened yet but the wolf dreams and travel.

I'll probably finish this one by the end of the week.

You know nothin', Jon Snow.

No major spoilers, just talking SoS

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I really thought GRRM would start pulling the story together with SoS but instead he leaves it even wider open. I remember finishing that book and having no clue where he was going with anything, its crazy. I agree that the Bran chapters are a little bland, each book has a few POVs he should cut out, tbh. His method of writing almost makes me want to skip from a Jaime chapter to a Jaime chapter, for example. I'm not sure the reader would miss much. Jaime is humanized and fleshed out (haha, unintentional pun. Poor Jaime) so much in SoS, its great. Ive said it here before, but its worth repeating, that GRRM once said in an interview that he writes all his characters to never be black or white. Its true that you can sympathize with almost everyone. As opposed to the Sword of Truth, for example, where Richard is so incredibly good alll the time. How boring.

You still have a lot to go with SoS, cant wait to hear your thoughts then.

[Anarky]

STORM OF SWORDS (3rd book) SPOILERS

You've been warned.

Spoiler: show

You know nothin', Jon Snow.

Spoiler: show

[Blotus]

Continued SOS spoilers...

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So Joff's death was spoiled for me too. On the front page of Westeros.org, there was a story called "Who Poisoned Joffrey", and on the imdb page I (stupidly) glimpsed at the message board posts to see "don't worry, Joffrey gets poisoned and dies"... then again, both Robb and Baylon Greyjoy had died after Melissandre cast the three leeches into the fire.

Things that WEREN'T spoiled that I enjoyed:
-Jamie going back to save Brienne from the bear pit (and subsequently hearing Tywin tell of Vargo Holt's festered ear wound and amputations by Gregor Clegane)
-Littlefinger being behind the arrangement of Sansa's escape
-Ygritte's death made me sniffle despite (or maybe because of) one last "You know nothing, Jon Snow"

-Bran's chapters still bore me for the most part, even when discovering Sam and Gilly. Then Sam leads them to a MAGIC TALKING DOOR... gotta say I almost dislike the more mystical elements of this book, such as the door, Bran's ability to go into Summer's body, and now Hodor's as well, Melissandre's shadow birthing. On the other hand, I really like Berric Dondarrion and crew, as Thoros keeps him alive with some sort of magic (I thought he was just really lucky up until the Hound nearly cleaved him in half).

The two producers of the show mentioned at the Comic Con panel that they would have to make this book two seasons and I believe it. A ton of shit happens and I'm still 200 pages short of being finished.

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Continued SOS spoilers...

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So Joff's death was spoiled for me too. On the front page of Westeros.org, there was a story called "Who Poisoned Joffrey", and on the imdb page I (stupidly) glimpsed at the message board posts to see "don't worry, Joffrey gets poisoned and dies"... then again, both Robb and Baylon Greyjoy had died after Melissandre cast the three leeches into the fire.

Things that WEREN'T spoiled that I enjoyed:
-Jamie going back to save Brienne from the bear pit (and subsequently hearing Tywin tell of Vargo Holt's festered ear wound and amputations by Gregor Clegane)
-Littlefinger being behind the arrangement of Sansa's escape
-Ygritte's death made me sniffle despite (or maybe because of) one last "You know nothing, Jon Snow"

-Bran's chapters still bore me for the most part, even when discovering Sam and Gilly. Then Sam leads them to a MAGIC TALKING DOOR... gotta say I almost dislike the more mystical elements of this book, such as the door, Bran's ability to go into Summer's body, and now Hodor's as well, Melissandre's shadow birthing. On the other hand, I really like Berric Dondarrion and crew, as Thoros keeps him alive with some sort of magic (I thought he was just really lucky up until the Hound nearly cleaved him in half).

The two producers of the show mentioned at the Comic Con panel that they would have to make this book two seasons and I believe it. A ton of shit happens and I'm still 200 pages short of being finished.

And with those 200 pages, more happens, lol. I hope thats the extent of the spoilers you ran into.

[Blotus]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

SOS SPOILARZ

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Tyrion killing Shae was spoiled for me, but Tywin was a big surprise. I was all "WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT CROSSBOW, DOG!?" Shame, I really like Tywin, in large part due to the actor that plays him in the HBO series, I think.

Jon Snow becoming the lord commander was also spoiled in a CAPTION underneath a picture of him in a news story about Dance With Dragons (how it came about with Sam's trickery was cool). I didn't know about Stannis though, and that was pretty awesome (many, many chapters went by since Davos had handed him the piece of paper that would be the plea for help message from the Wall).

Littlefinger killing Lysa was spoiled in a comic I saw on some site, though that whole chapter was really cool, from Sansa building the snowcastle Winterfell right up to Petyr fingering the musician.

Zombie Catalyn was a big surprise.

And Arya is headed for Bravos, but poor Sandor. I loved that guy. Maybe the brotherhood will find him and make a zombie our of him too.


I see in Feast For Crows that it's branching out to cover POV's from Highgarden, Oldtown, Dorne, and two from the Iron Islands. I'm not very optimistic going into this one because of how stretched out it seems and how many new characters there are, but also (and mainly) just because I'd heard this is the weakest of the four...


...and Storm of Swords was so good. Simply amazing!

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Ha

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I knew some of that would blow your mind. I liked the fact that Tyrion got his revenge, so to speak, but i will miss Tywin as an antagonist. He was rich, smart, and an asshole. Who are the enemies now? Just Cersei?

I am like you in that the more magical elements GRRM presents, the more i frown. Melisandre and the zombie people might be taking it too far. I was fine with magic being beyond the wall, but now its creeping into a lot of things. What could GRRM's purpose possibly be to have Catelyn alive? I dont like it, but probably because i dont like her.

A Dance With Dragons feels like the true sequel to SoS. Feast focuses on half the characters, mostly Kings Landing, the Iron Islands, and Dorne, while Dance picks up the other half, the Wall, Dany, etc. The books run concurrently, but the end of Dance is supposed to morph the story back into one and move the timeline slightly further than where Feast left off. Even to have some of the POVs from Feast sprinkled in.

Its an interesting way of tackling the convoluted story. But, when Feast came out GRRM said he wrote too much so the book would be split. The good news out of that, he claimed, was that at the time of Feast being published it meant that Dance was already mostly complete. Everyone then expected Dance to pop out the next year, but lo and behold it still took him 5 years to bring out an already 'mostly finished' book.... what a jerk.

I am about half way done with Dance at the moment.

[Shrinweck]

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[SineSwiper]

Yeah, that's 10 levels of awesome!

Looking forward to the new season.

[kali o.]

I went ahead and spoiled myself on the book plots and without giving anything away, I have to say I don't see this series having much staying power.

It's a bunch of dramatics and intrigue, spread out through far too many books and it all doesn't really lead to anything climatic.

With Sean Bean gone, will the public really remain interested in a Fantasy Based Drama that has little going for it besides tits? Meh...

[Shrinweck]

Series leading to nothing climatic doesn't stop anything from being successful on television. If anything that's what most successful series do.

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Plus, i feel like there are plenty of small skirmishes and one or two 'big bangs' in each of the books to keep people interested. It does develop slowly, but like Shrin said, the highly character developed series' do well. We'll just have to endure Zeus bitching about it being like an AMC show.

[Zeus]

Plus, i feel like there are plenty of small skirmishes and one or two 'big bangs' in each of the books to keep people interested. It does develop slowly, but like Shrin said, the highly character developed series' do well. We'll just have to endure Zeus bitching about it being like an AMC show.

No, it ain't no AMC show at all. It doesn't stretch 20 min into 50 min

[Shellie]

Thats what Im worried about for next season. Im struggling to finish the second book because its fairly slow...

[Shrinweck]

Plus, i feel like there are plenty of small skirmishes and one or two 'big bangs' in each of the books to keep people interested. It does develop slowly, but like Shrin said, the highly character developed series' do well. We'll just have to endure Zeus bitching about it being like an AMC show.

No, it ain't no AMC show at all. It doesn't stretch 20 min into 50 min

Really? I like it and all but this is probably the slowest show currently in existence. Political intrigue done well is still a whole lot of nothing until the pay off. And most episodes have no pay off.

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Thats what Im worried about for next season. Im struggling to finish the second book because its fairly slow...

Yikes, i never had that problem however.

[Blotus]

Thats what Im worried about for next season. Im struggling to finish the second book because its fairly slow...

Yikes, i never had that problem however.

Me neither. Not with Clash. But Feast, yes.

Quick thoughts on A Dance With Dragons:

LATEST BOOK SPOILARS**********

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-Dany's an idiot. How the crap is she going to get back to Westeros and do her thing in two books? I found myself hoping she's die from dysentery in that last chapter.

-Barristan is just the greatest.

-Jon Snow's probably gonna warg into Ghost and back. Or Melissandre will give him the kiss of life ala Thoros or something. To much hinting of wargs for him to actually be dead.

-I liked the Jon Con plot with baby Aegon.

-Did not like Quentyn Martell's so much. Poor stupid, Frog.

-Jorah in the whorehouse meeting Tyrion I was all WHAAAAAAA YEEEA. Not Tyrion's best chapters, but okay.

-Victarion = new favorite character. I could so easily picture him coming up onto the deck of the ship, his hand smoldering, and "throw that guy overboard!" or whatever it was. Awesome.

-Not big on Arya or Sam chapters. They both need to Rocky montage their way through this training and get back to doing something involved with the main plot.

-Cersei chapters are some of my favorites. She's just such a manipulative whore, but not without my sympathy.

-Asha and Theon chapters probably my favorites this time. I always liked Asha, and the chapter at Deepwood Motte was excellent. Theon's are gross and uncomfortable. What a turnaround for that guy to be so hated by fans and now so loved.

-Davos chapters good too. Interested to see him away to Skagos in search of Rickon.

-Jamie chapters were okay. Nice to see his transition to diplomat since he's useless in a fight right now. Would have liked to see more Brienne.

BOOK FAVORITES:
*Theon, Victarion, Cersei, Barristan

SHITBAGS:
*Dany, Ramsay, all those Mereenese characters I can't keep track of

[SineSwiper]

Series leading to nothing climatic doesn't stop anything from being successful on television. If anything that's what most successful series do.

Season One TV series spoilers:

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I have to admit that I was expecting the new empire to collapse when Winterfell's army storms the castle in the season finale, but it never happened. I really wanted the satisfaction of those dicks' rein being short lived.

Daenerys's part in the last episode was pretty sweet, though. I at least got the satisfaction of seeing that stupid witch getting burned alive. What the fuck did she expect when she kills Dany's husband and unborn child, and is even brazen enough to admit it?

[Shrinweck]

Yeah, not her brightest hour. Assuming things about a culture you don't understand is pretty dumb, but him submitting to

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the hag's healing was just as stupid

[SineSwiper]

Well, I was talking more about the witch being stupid, not Dany.

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Dany gave her every quarter given the shitty situation of her town being pillaged, and the witch just pretended she could get away with anything without thinking about the repercussions. There are much worse things than death (as the burning alive proved), and killing the Queen's unborn child and king is a guaranteed way of finding those things out. Unbelievably stupid behavior on the witch's part.

[Shrinweck]

I figured the witch had higher priorities than survival, like revenge on the man responsible for her entire village being raped, murdered, and/or enslaved. Either she figured it was worth it, or there's a cultural stipulation where the person in Dany's position would typically spare her life. A person in Dany's position was usually left powerless after a power vacuum like that is created, and only had followers left because of how goshed darn super she is.

[Shrinweck]

Guess we lost some posts in this thread?

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anyone know what movie this is from?

[Shrinweck]

Some Google-fu yielded him in an eye patch in a movie called Penelope.

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Genius

[Shrinweck]

Actual fighting in a battle? Something put some action in my show about people talking to each other.

I swear, sometimes this show is basically In Treatment with people wearing sillier clothing. Can't wait for next week

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The last episode was great, its pretty obvious now where the budget for this season went.

Book spoiler comparisons of the details of the battle:

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I'm surprised they never mentioned the chain that Tyrion has made to keep the boats in the bay. In the books, he secretly made a huge long chain so when Stannis sailed into the bay, the chain was raised to keep them in there while he flung pots of wildfire from the walls onto their ships (if i remember correctly). The empty wildfire boat bomb was pretty freaking cool in the show, but the chain kept them from sailing away and regrouping while they burned. It was also a good example of taking Cersei's wilfdire idea and vastly improving upon it, further solidifying Tyrion as the brains.. not that we need that anymore.

I'm also glad they showed Tyrion getting a huge scar on his face, but i did figure they wouldnt go too far. In the books, half his nose gets chopped off in the process, making him even uglier. I assume this scar will be ugly for the rest of the season but slowly fade away to nonexistence as the show goes on. I'm looking forward to seeing Tywin roll in and take all the credit for the battle being won. Poor Tyrion. Also, poor Sansa, she should have gone with the hound. I'm glad he got some more screentime. The bar fight with Bronn was completely made up, but it gave him more character for the scene offering to escape with Sansa.

[SineSwiper]

Here's what I don't get. You have ALL of this build up about a big battle about to happen, and the old regime still wins?! Nothing changes? It seems rather anti-climatic. Why write an entire book about some rebel army having this big build up and then just killing them off?

Also, can Dani just be more naive? I want her to be more naive, if that is even possible. Seems to be a waste of potential there.

God, I hope the last episode ends up being really good, because merely doing "clean up" isn't going to save this season. Not to say that the season was all that bad, but there's just a lot of nonsense decisions going on left and right.

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[Shrinweck]

Hey look it's this thread again



The highlight of this is misspelling Jon.