Hey Americans, what are you doin' for the bicentennial?

[Zeus]

It's a very important part of military history for both our nations:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/11/27 ... an-admits/

It helped establish what would be Canada and is also the only war on American soil fought against a foreign enemy that you Americans actually lost (we'll just neglect the fact that we came down there and burned down the White House.....yes, it happened :-). Ya'll don't really talk about it much down there, do you? But between this and Vietnam (yes, you lost that one too), you can learn a lot.

For our part up here, we're actually minting a special $2 coin to go into circulation (I know you American's can't fathom a coin denomonation of $1 or more, but we've had it for years and actually have been on the verge of a $5 coin for a decade) as well as some other coins over the : http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/18/mi ... nniversary

[Shrinweck]

You're... gloating about a war we never even declared and another that's two centuries old. Okay :P

I'm not even going to begin talking about currency with a country that calls one of their coins a loonie :D

[Flip]

Man, it would have been pretty awesome if Canada was annexed in that war . Its true that in the US we arent taught much about that conflict in school. I have a few English friends and they dont care about it at all. It was a weird war in that nothing really changed by the end of it.

[Zeus]

Man, it would have been pretty awesome if Canada was annexed in that war . Its true that in the US we arent taught much about that conflict in school. I have a few English friends and they dont care about it at all. It was a weird war in that nothing really changed by the end of it.

It's true. Nothing really changed in either war you lost. But, really, wasn't that the point for the other side?

[Zeus]

You're... gloating about a war we never even declared and another that's two centuries old. Okay

I'm not even going to begin talking about currency with a country that calls one of their coins a loonie

Your government loved that coin so much that they decided to copy it with your national animal (why do you think it's the eagle that's on your $1 coin?). The only reason you even have a $1 bill anymore is stubbornness on the part of the people :-)

You're neglecting the important part: you lost and have been hiding from that fact for 200 years. We burned down the White House for cryin' out loud...and weren`t even a country yet! What's eerily similar about both 'Nam and 1812 is that you guys invaded, in both cases severely underestimated your enemy, and refused to acknowledge your defeat in either case (*Otto from A Fish Called Wanda* It was a tie!).

[Shrinweck]

That's the point, you didn't win jack, the British Empire won. As you said you weren't even a country yet. This would be like Virginia, the state, saying they beat Germany in WW2.

Its been years but I did AP US History so we touched on this quite a bit (like a few days, we have like half a dozen more interesting wars over the next 150 years alone that are more worth our time to learn about since they actually effect our history), but as far as I recall we didn't consider this a loss since one of the important parts of losing is actually losing something. Even Britain doesn't care about the war any more. At best you stopped us from being imperialist assholes. Which the world could have used more of. You stopping us from being imperialists, not more imperialist assholes.

From what I recall, the only declared war that we consider lost is Red Cloud's War. And, well, we still won in the end. Or maybe that's the only Native American victory in a war? Ugh, this was all too long ago and I've drank way too much alcohol to remember every insignificant war we've ever been in. This is more directed to 1812 than Red Cloud's War. I remember Red Cloud's War. Fuck that was bad ass.

[Flip]

This thread got me into wasting time at work wiki'ing the War of 1812. That led me into reading about the burning of my beloved town (Washington DC) specifically, which led to me looking up James Madison, the Louisiana Purchase, the 1812 overture, to looking into Napoleon, to looking into Waterloo, Napoleonic code, exiles, and then i forgot i never finished reading about the War of 1812.

Thanks for wasting my day at work.

[Zeus]

That's the point, you didn't win jack, the British Empire won. As you said you weren't even a country yet. This would be like Virginia, the state, saying they beat Germany in WW2.

Its been years but I did AP US History so we touched on this quite a bit (like a few days, we have like half a dozen more interesting wars over the next 150 years alone that are more worth our time to learn about since they actually effect our history), but as far as I recall we didn't consider this a loss since one of the important parts of losing is actually losing something. Even Britain doesn't care about the war any more. At best you stopped us from being imperialist assholes. Which the world could have used more of. You stopping us from being imperialists, not more imperialist assholes.

From what I recall, the only declared war that we consider lost is Red Cloud's War. And, well, we still won in the end. Or maybe that's the only Native American victory in a war? Ugh, this was all too long ago and I've drank way too much alcohol to remember every insignificant war we've ever been in. This is more directed to 1812 than Red Cloud's War. I remember Red Cloud's War. Fuck that was bad ass.

Who do you think turned around and shoved the Brits and French off of these lands before forming a country? Same peeps, man. It's not like it was the British or French Army you were fighting, it was the colonists (we fucked you up by tying torches to cows for cryin' out loud!). Just like ya'll down there did 40 years earlier before tryin' (and failing miserably) to expand your country.

You declared war on us, came up here, sacked York (that's what Toronto was called back then), acted like fucksticks, got shoved back to your country, then we came down there and burned down your White House to learn ya, and ya'll ran back home with your tails between your legs and never came back. So you lost the war/skirmish that you started. Just because we left after burning down your capital because we didn't want your land don't mean you didn't lose the war you started.

Our colonists didn't want to expand, they just wanted to keep the land that they colonized. No matter how you spin it or how much you try to ignore it, you lost, period. Just like 'Nam. Does Germany believe they didn't lose WW2 because the Allied Forces shoved them back home and didn't colonize their country? You tried, you failed. It's a pretty simple concept: failure = losing. 'Nuff said.

[Shrinweck]

Not taking a post that uses "ya'll" that many times seriously.

[Flip]

From what i was reading, i'm pretty sure the Canadians had nothing to do with the D.C. burning. After the US smashed your pathetic Canadian 'band', and burned your cities, all you did was cry and bitch to England for help. Coincidentally, Europe finally defeated Napoleon and was able to focus on the Americas so the Brits sent out a small invading force who landed near DC and went and sacked the town due to our inept Secretary of War who left it undefended. It was basically a quick retaliation led and pulled off by the British, not Canadians.

Therefore, i picture Canada as a bunch of QQ newbs who needed big brother redcoats to come help them beat the playground bully. Thats something to really celebrate... have a good time with that.

[Shrinweck]

I think we can all be thankful that the White House being shittily defended was something the South didn't press to their advantage in the War of Northern Aggression. I mean The Civil War. Shit, what did I say? We... er, the South had the opportunity to run up into DC and take it and immediately win the Civil War. Could we just imagine that? Fuck.

[kali o.]

Everything else aside, if Canada and the US fought today (no nukes), the outcome would be the same*. And you know it. The beefier gun tottin' folks in the South are too far from the border to protect you pansies in the middle, and they ain't coming up with dem dar mexicans on thier back doors.

*Except for Quebec. They'd surrender immediately

[Shrinweck]

I shudder to think what the US military would pull in a land war on our own soil. Atrocities barely warrant much of an outcry when we perform them overseas. The second one of you took a single American life we'd be doing so many unthinkable things to your citizens that I'm not even going to put them into words[/drepressing]

Also not counting New England, the northern states are just as gun toting as the southern. Same with most of our middle. Really, it's just the NE and NW that isn't. I don't think the proliferation of guns to the populace would ever be a problem in any war on American soil.

[Zeus]

I shudder to think what the US military would pull in a land war on our own soil. Atrocities barely warrant much of an outcry when we perform them overseas. The second one of you took a single American life we'd be doing so many unthinkable things to your citizens that I'm not even going to put them into words[/drepressing]

After the genocide you attempted on the Japs during the firebombings of the country in WW2? You already did those "unthinkable things" and then some....

Yeah, you've already proven you're more than willing to wipe an entire race off the face of the Earth if they attack you.

[Shrinweck]

Is that an atom bomb reference? As terrible as that is, I would still say that in the end it saved more lives than it took. Japan would have fought us until there was nothing left.

[bovine]

This thread is dumb.

No one is talking about Korea.

[Shrinweck]

Great BBQ.

[kali o.]

Let's not pretend 50% of the US populace wouldn't be busy looting and killing each other the minute War broke out. At least Canadians have to good sense to save looting for Playoff time.

A war vs Canada would actually be a war against yourselves, hence why it's 100% lose.

[Zeus]

Is that an atom bomb reference? As terrible as that is, I would still say that in the end it saved more lives than it took. Japan would have fought us until there was nothing left.

What? No, man, I'm talking about the firebombing of Japan that went on for months with the sole purpose of eliminating the Japanese people off the face of the planet. The A-Bombs that were dropped were for other reasons as well, but I'm talking about the clear genocide that was going on for the months before that.

Don't believe me? Go watch Fog of War and listen to a guy who was making the decisions on where those bombs were being dropped and what the criteria were for the locations chosen

[Joe]

This thing again?

Geez, Zeus....you never change. You burnt one building: the White House.

That was in response to the US burning down......the entire city of Toronto!

And the fact that Canadians were used mostly as porters....the English did all the fighting. Two legged mules is what your so called army was.

Too easy.

[Zeus]

This thing again?

Geez, Zeus....you never change. You burnt one building: the White House.

That was in response to the US burning down......the entire city of Toronto!

And the fact that Canadians were used mostly as porters....the English did all the fighting. Two legged mules is what your so called army was.

Too easy.

Holy shit, we brought the old man outta hiding! I really should point out your historic failures you like to conveniently like to forget about more often

[Joe]

Holy shit, we brought the old man outta hiding! I really should point out your historic failures you like to conveniently like to forget about more often

I got that information from the English History books, not America's version. I'm going to have to side with the facts and not your cheerleader version.

[KluYa]

Probably have to concur with the dumb thread sentiment, but more importantly who is Joe. Is this G-Man? Hope life is treating you well sir.

[Zeus]

Holy shit, we brought the old man outta hiding! I really should point out your historic failures you like to conveniently like to forget about more often

I got that information from the English History books, not America's version. I'm going to have to side with the facts and not your cheerleader version.

You still lost...badly :-)

And KluYa, yes, that's the old man. Been a good what, year or so since he's posted? Nice to see he's still lingering