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  • Only because I like to see your reactions: Are you ready to see this film now that those in the industry have applauded it?

  • Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.
Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.
 #16124  by Zeus
 Fri May 21, 2004 12:55 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.as ... 9">here</a>

Only because I like to see your reactions: Are you ready to see this film now that those in the industry have applauded it?</div>

 #16125  by Gentz
 Fri May 21, 2004 1:04 pm
<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Let the froth-mouthed snarling ensue!</div>

 #16126  by Eric
 Fri May 21, 2004 1:13 pm
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Ummmm, no, fuck Michael Moore up the ass.</div>

 #16127  by Zeus
 Fri May 21, 2004 1:25 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Why?</div>

 #16128  by Kupek
 Fri May 21, 2004 1:30 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>No. No no no no no no. NO. Not twice in a goddamn month.</div>

 #16135  by Tessian
 Fri May 21, 2004 5:58 pm
<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>hahaha, poor Zeus...so blissfully liberal. Let's got into this stupid cock shoot again</div>

 #16136  by Tessian
 Fri May 21, 2004 5:58 pm
<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>I second that</div>

 #16137  by Kupek
 Fri May 21, 2004 6:14 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Liberal has nothing to do with it.</div>

 #16138  by Julius Seeker
 Fri May 21, 2004 6:24 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Like Bowling for Columbine, it will probably be more information that everyone already knew. I am, however, still willing to bet it will still shock a large portion of Americans who ignore all the bad things in their society.</div>

 #16142  by the Gray
 Fri May 21, 2004 10:07 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I'll see it when the Princess screens it.</div>

 #16144  by Zeus
 Fri May 21, 2004 10:12 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I'll see you there</div>

 #16145  by Zeus
 Fri May 21, 2004 10:13 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I admit I'm a social liberal, but don't forget that I'm also not American and not caught up in your partisan politics</div>

 #16146  by Stephen
 Fri May 21, 2004 10:50 pm
<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Obviously, I don't think anyone should pass total judgement on any film until they actually see it. The difficult part for most of us will be ignoring all the media baggage surrounding the film when we do go see it.</div>

 #16147  by Eric
 Fri May 21, 2004 11:54 pm
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>I was following Gentz's orders. ;P</div>

 #16148  by SineSwiper
 Sat May 22, 2004 5:31 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Despite the obvious heavy bias that will dominate the film, this would probably be better than BfC. He had a really bad angle for that film, anti-gun, which I always thought goes against the Constitution and against the liberal mindset. (Why defend one admendment and not two?)</div>
 #16149  by Julius Seeker
 Sat May 22, 2004 10:08 am
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Taking away the right to have weapons would not be taking away any freedom whatsoever; no more so than taking away the right to animal sacrifice, or to beat up your kids. It's just growing up and becoming more civilized. I remember having this conversation a while ago with someone and they said something like "That would be taking away my right to defend myself and loved ones against evil." I think I laughed for about five minutes strait, this isn't Lord of the Rings or Starwars, this is 21st century western society; there IS no evil. Speaking from an outrside perspective, I think that Michael Moore sees things much more clearly than that 30% (just a guess based on what I have met of Americans who are against Michael Moore, it might be more, may be less) of Americans do.</div>
 #16150  by SineSwiper
 Sat May 22, 2004 11:28 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Consider this: we live in a country that is "middle-of-the-road" with guns, which is the worse possible spot to be in. That means that guns are fairly easy to acquire, yet most people don't exercise that right. So, only the guys committing crimes are going to have gun, which is easy to acquire.

In a place like the borders of Norway, it's illegal to NOT own a gun. The government will provide you with a gun, if you don't have one. What does this mean? This means that a guy going to be robbing a bank with be faced with 30-40 ARMED civilians, who won't hesitate to shoot him. He can't watch them all. This lowers crime overall, not raise it, because the majority of the people with guns are the average citizen, not the criminal.

In the US, anybody committing a crime with a gun is going under the premise that he has the advantage, a weapon that kills. In a grand majority of cases, this is correct, as you can walk into a bank and there's a good chance that NOBODY has a gun.

Also consider the fact that this country has the biggest military in the world. It is because of this, and ONLY THIS, that people consider themselves "safe". Canada and Mexico have a lot to thank because of our large military. Now, I'm one to think that our military should be greatly reduced (so that the UN has more power), and our own population be armed further.

I also believe that the research of non-lethal weapons should be persued with great interest. This would greatly promote arming our citizens without the risk of accidential deaths, including police shootings. If we can produce a non-lethal weapon with the same stopping power as a gun, that could replace the gun, and thus solve a lot of problems.</div>

 #16151  by SineSwiper
 Sat May 22, 2004 11:30 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Ahhhh...so you're implying that we turn this into a liberal/conservative pissing match? My liberal dick is bigger than your conservative cock.</div>
 #16152  by Julius Seeker
 Sat May 22, 2004 1:01 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Also, even if everyone in the town owned a gun, it is not going to prevent a bank from being robbed any more than any other place, people generally don't bring their guns to the bank for personal protection. It would also get you arrested in Norway. In Switzerland where there are mandatory gun laws still, they are there for the purpose of national defense, not for the purpose of defending against your neighbors.

The US is the only wealthy country I have ever been in where people own guns to defend themselves against their own citizens. That is what I see as being the problem. If gun controls were put in place, it would change the mentality of the country, they would be getting their weapons for sporting purposes, not to defend themselves against their own neighbors.</div>

 #16153  by Tessian
 Sat May 22, 2004 6:35 pm
<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>your liberal dick couldn't find the broadside of my conservative barn....wait a second, who said I was conservative? :P</div>

 #16154  by Tessian
 Sat May 22, 2004 6:39 pm
<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>shew, for a second there I thought you wanted to abolish guns...I too think the 2nd amendment is outdated and useless now but I'm also not naive enough to believe it'll be changed in my lifetime if ever</div>

 #16155  by Flip
 Sat May 22, 2004 7:28 pm
<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>I keep a bat by my bed and play "smashy smash the brains in" when someone breaks into my house... i havent got to play yet. : (</div>

 #16156  by Zeus
 Sun May 23, 2004 2:01 am
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>What I really want to see is the effect the anti-Moore propoganda has on people. This guy has only stood up and said "Hey, this is fucking WRONG!" and the worst part for those in power is, people listened. So now they're trying to destroy his credibility, We all could have said "you're crazy".......</div>

 #16160  by SineSwiper
 Sun May 23, 2004 3:10 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.</div>

 #16161  by SineSwiper
 Sun May 23, 2004 3:11 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Exactly. And who said Zeus was liberal?</div>

 #16164  by Gentz
 Sun May 23, 2004 11:10 am
<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>BFC wasn't anti-gun at all. I don't know where you got that.</div>

 #16165  by Derithian
 Sun May 23, 2004 12:43 pm
<div style='font: italic bold 14pt ; text-align: center; '>um....zeus did</div>

 #16166  by Zeus
 Sun May 23, 2004 12:46 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Me. I've realized over the years that I lean towards social liberalism. But that's not the point, I'm not liberal in the way a lot of Americans think I am. I don't care for partisan politics, I simply look at each issue and determine my opinion based on the issue, not on a bias. I just lean that way</div>

 #16168  by Zeus
 Sun May 23, 2004 12:47 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Yes, shall we "got" into this again? :-)</div>

 #16173  by Kupek
 Sun May 23, 2004 8:56 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I don't hold the Constitution as sacred.</div>

 #16183  by SineSwiper
 Tue May 25, 2004 1:48 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>I consider myself very liberal myself. The point is that Tessian is just trying to turn it into an name-calling contest.</div>

 #16184  by SineSwiper
 Tue May 25, 2004 1:49 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Why not? It's the basis of our country and government. You start gutting out other parts of the Constitution, and that just gives people an excuse to gut out the 1st Amendment.</div>

 #16194  by Kupek
 Tue May 25, 2004 9:45 am
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Because doing so risks the conlusion that the reason certain rights are important is that they're in the Constitution. Certain rights are important to society, it doesn't matter where they're written down.</div>