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  • Alright, O'Reilly is an ass.  Now he is the one playing the conspiracy card, saying that perhaps the harassment suit is a political move due to the victims connections with the Democratic party...

  • Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.
Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.

 #19221  by Kupek
 Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:45 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... 15.html</a>

This is the first time I've seen him anywhere near humble.</div>

 #19224  by Zeus
 Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:57 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Washington Post again...</div>

 #19232  by Kupek
 Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:29 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I got this link off of Google, so that's as good as you're getting.</div>

 #19245  by John Kerry
 Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:41 pm
<div style='font: ; text-align: left; '>I'm just waiting until he says that this is a "vast, left-wing conspiracy"</div>

 #19247  by Zeus
 Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:41 am
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>It's the principal of the matter. I will not register to read something online, period. Nor do I want to support such actions. The Internet is a free-flowing information system, not a marketing tool for companies</div>

 #19248  by Kupek
 Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:19 am
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Zeus, if that held, then this article wouldn't even BE online. I'm reading newspaper articles for free. Giving them some information so they can report demographics to their advertisers - where they get their revenue - is more than fair.</div>

 #19249  by Stephen
 Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:21 am
<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>And the normative side of the self-proclaimed economist mounts the soapbox.</div>

 #19250  by Stephen
 Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:23 am
<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>God help us, he's a normative economist.</div>

 #19254  by SineSwiper
 Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:16 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Man, I've been saying that he's an ass for quite some time.</div>

 #19255  by SineSwiper
 Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:18 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>I had to look that one up.</div>

 #19257  by Dread Pirate Roberts
 Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:36 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>In more realistic words, you suffer from chronic laziness.</div>

 #19260  by Guybrush Threepwood
 Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:21 pm
<div style='font: 11pt Arial; text-align: left; '>As my fellow sea-dog points out, you're just being lazy. Which is fine, just stop trying to rationalize it.</div>

 #19270  by Zeus
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:44 am
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>That's fine, but I hate it. What I don't mind is the "we'll give you some content for free, but some you'll have to register for". I'm OK with that, but not the registering for EVERYTHING. That's why I stopped reading the Toronto Star's sports pages. Sun's much better anyways :-)</div>

 #19271  by Zeus
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:45 am
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>NOt at all. You see, I have these things called "morals" and "principals" and I actually live by them all the way, no compromises</div>

 #19272  by Zeus
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:49 am
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>More of a social liberalist. I just think that we need to keep companies in check, they just do what they want and most people sit back and do nothing about it. I thought about it, decided it wasn't right (IMO) for them to force registration for everything, so I make a point of not partaking.</div>

 #19273  by Stephen
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 2:02 am
<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>That's right, strike a blow against corporate encroachment by not registering to read an online newspaper. Teach those totalitarian apes at the Washington Post a lesson they'll never forget. By the way, what's a social liberalist?</div>

 #19274  by Kupek
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 2:03 am
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Uh, what's the difference?</div>

 #19275  by Stephen
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 2:04 am
<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>That's right, strike a blow against corporate encroachment by not registering to read an online newspaper. It'll teach those totalitarians at the Washington Post a lesson they'll never forget. By the way, what's a social liberalist?</div>

 #19276  by Kupek
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 2:07 am
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>But you have no problem when the Washington Post charges for a subscription.</div>

 #19282  by SineSwiper
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:32 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Use BugMeNot. All of the logins are full of bogus data, so the people who give them their ad money get bullshit data, and they get to support their web site. Everybody's happy.</div>

 #19292  by Guybrush Threepwood
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:08 pm
<div style='font: 11pt Arial; text-align: left; '>You do realize that it costs money to do things like run an enormous, multifaceted news website, right?</div>

 #19297  by Ishamael
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:36 pm
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Umm....You gonna let him call you that Zeus? I don't know what that is, but they sound like fightin' words to me!</div>

 #19309  by Zeus
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:45 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>A liberal-minded person with the greater social good in mind. Not all liberals are like that. And yes, it does hurt them, they can't make the extra money if people refuse to sign up or give bogus data. Plus, if they do what I do, they don't get the ad revenue and will be forced to get rid of it</div>

 #19310  by Zeus
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:47 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>The sites that make you register for EVERYTHING is what I hate. Basically, it's the lesson IGN learned. You give the normal stories for free but keep other, "special" stuff (additional data, some very exclusive, "extra"-type content) for the payers or subscribers. It's a huge difference</div>

 #19311  by Zeus
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:47 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>You do realize there's these things called "ad banners", right?</div>

 #19312  by Zeus
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:49 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>To the newspaper? Not at all, there's a helluva lot more costs in producing/manufacturing and delivery of the hard copies. The websites, after initial outlay, are a mere fraction of the costs</div>

 #19313  by Zeus
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:50 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>It's the continued increase in dominance of commericalization of the Internet that I dont' like, and this like forced subscriptions are a part of it.</div>

 #19317  by Kupek
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 9:13 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Yes, you've clearly stated what you hate. But I don't understand what's the moral difference.</div>

 #19318  by Kupek
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 9:16 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I won't agree that they are a "mere fraction of the cost," but I agree it is less overhead. And - guess what - due to that, it's FREE. Demographics get reported about subscriptions just the same as registrations. Registration = subscription - charge.</div>

 #19319  by Kupek
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 9:18 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>You're focusing on forced subscriptions as a part of the commercialization of the internet, which is myopic. Newspapers are commercial entities to begin with.</div>

 #19320  by Kupek
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 9:21 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>If they don't get the ad revenue, then they won't exist online. They are for-profit enterprises - and even non-profits need to generate revenue. I don't think you realize this: newspapers are in the business of selling advertisement space.</div>

 #19327  by Stephen
 Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:18 pm
<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>There is no such thing as a "social liberalist." You coined it out of thin air--congratulations, I guess. But I'm more worried that you apparently believe a newspaper like The Washington Post--one of the more liberal papers in this country--is part of some broader plan for corporate domination.</div>

 #19334  by SineSwiper
 Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:03 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Considering the amount of pop-ups, pop-unders and flashing blinking banners, I think most sane companies realize that they don't generate revenue at all.</div>

 #19338  by Guybrush Threepwood
 Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:07 am
<div style='font: 11pt Arial; text-align: left; '>What in the blue hell is the difference between ad banners and a free registration that contains advertising offers? The fact that you have to type your name?</div>