More about problems with US education: Some Abstinence Programs Mislead Teens, Report Says. (WP link. Reuters inside post.)

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... c1.html</a>

Reuters version: <a href=http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtm ... 0</a></div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Good god, this is amazing. "McIlhaney said the slide accurately describes a real, though small, risk of pregnancy in mutual masturbation." I think using the word "small" is so misleading that it borders on incorrect. Try "infinitesimal."</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Hey, No Child Left Behind, man. Gotta make sure they've got the proper (ie. Christian) education</div>

[the Gray]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Holy Crap, I only partially payed attention to my Health classed while in school and I could refute most of the junk in that article.</div>

[Stephen]

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Beware ye, princess, who giveth the manly knight too much information about how to slay the dragon, lest ye lose his hand in marriage! "Occasional suggestions and assistance may be alright, but too much of it will lessen a man's confidence or even turn him away from his princess." (!)</div>

[ManaMan]

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '><sarcasm>REALLY????</sarcasm></div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>That's like saying the planet Earth is small in comparison to the universe.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Jesus fucking Christ, people! It's not a viral epidemic here any more! Many more people die from heart disease and cancer (not combined) in the US than AIDS. You're ten-thousand times more likely to get pregnant (or get somebody pregnant) than get AIDS. Wear a condom because of that. Fear babies! Teach the high school kids that they don't want kids at that age. Drill it into their head that they have a hard enough time trying to support themselves without having to deal with a kid. (Hell, that's easy...just show them the daycare costs.)

It's not even a "gay disease" any more. The gay community got so freaking scared of AIDS, that they changed habits and almost totally removed the disease from their society. (And for good reason; if somebody was popular in the 80's and gay, chances are that they died from AIDS.)

Now, you want a viral epidemic: Africa. About 38% of all of the people there have AIDS. That means you could screw three people there, and you probably have AIDS already. They have a goddamn AIDS puppet on South African Seseme Street!! I honestly don't even know why they fuck. Just stop fucking. Stop having sex. It's not worth it. There's better joys than worrying about catching a fatal disease every time you screw a chick, or worrying that a condom that pops off it going to literally kill you.

You want to donate to the cause or raise awareness on AIDS? Then donate to AIDS causes in AFRICA and show the commericials in AFRICA! Stop wasting money on the US. Because that's what you're doing when you show fact-distorting commericials and "specials" in America. Right now, the statistics are almost as distorted as the ones for the War on (Some) Drugs. Every time they talk about how many people die from AIDS, they always use world statistics to distort the average from US with the average from Africa.

The bottom line: teach AIDS here but don't preach it. Preach it in Africa.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Here's another gem: 'Speaking as a pediatrician, Golden said, she knows "abstaining from sex is the most effective means of preventing the sexual transmission of HIV, STDs and preventing pregnancy."' Using "abstaining" and "effective" in the same sentence is, at best, deceptive and at worst, lying.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Wow...I didn't believe that was an actual quote until I read it.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Nah, same signer, wrong program.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I was being sarcastic</div>

[Flip]

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>In fact, the chances of getting AIDS are still relatively low, so to speak. The stat is something like you could have unprotected sex 500 times with someone with AIDS and there is still only a 2/3 chance that you have have AIDS yourself.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>That's true for here, but what Sine was referring to was that the transmission rate in Africa is 38%, so once in three times and you're statistically gonna get it. On a side note, I believe in the US it's mostly a gay disease as well</div>

[Flip]

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>He wasnt referring to transmittal rate, his post specifically says 38% of the African population has ADIS. Not that it matters, but just saying.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Ah, yes. My mistake</div>

[Mental (The Shrine ate my]

<div style='font: ; text-align: left; '>It's getting to the point where words don't accurately reflect my scorn, hatred, sadness, and fear surrounding our current president and the pain that I believe him to be creating.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>I highly doubt that claim. I'd want to see some scientific evidence that says that HIV is so hard to transmit.</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I was about to use that one to. This shit is so outrageously irresponsible that I would be offended were it not so hilarious.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>According to this site, the transmission rate ranges from 0.1% to 1%. Doing some statistics, that means that after 500 encounters, the probability that you are infected ranges from 39.4% to 99.3%.</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.democrats.reform.house.gov/">It's the top link on the page</a>

Here's the link to the full report in Acrobat</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>That's quite a swing. Why are people even worrying that much about the disease of the transmission rates are that low? You have a better chance of catching a cold.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>The range is an order of magnitude difference, which is makes a big difference over repeated exposure. I think that for most people, one night stands are rare, so we're likely to have sex with a person multiple times. The 1% transmission rate can catch up fast in that case.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>"While a man needs little or no preparation for sex, a woman often needs hours of emotional and mental preparation." God, it just kills me.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>What, you tryin' to tell me you can't get it up in seconds if the opportunity arises? :-)</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Hey, what's wrong with that?</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Nothing....except that it's an erroneous stereotype</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I sincerely hope you're joking.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>It's usually pretty easy to tell when Sine's joking. If he is, then all the more reason to have a "sarcasm" message tag</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Not really. I thought this was common sense. There are exceptions, but they are exceptions to the rule.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Fine. You rub a chick's clit from a cold start and rub your own dick from a cold start and see which one gets horny first.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Which would prove what? You're seriously agreeing with "hours of emotional and mental preperation"? I know that's bullshit from experience - unless, unbeknowst to me, my girflriend at the time sat and meditated before coming over to my place.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>It depends on how you define it. You think the whole basis of a romantic date isn't there for the point of "hours of emotional and mental preperation"? A woman's not going to suddenly jump on your crotch without a slow buildup first.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>As I said, personal experience speaks otherwise.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>My thoughts exactly</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Sine's not as subtle as me when it comes to joking around (UP *PANT* THE ASS!) :-)</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Level of horniness and preparation time are all in the mind. It just happens that women are taught from a young age that sex is bad and the vast majority never get over it. Those who discover true orgasms and want it are ready faster than you</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Actually, you have a history of repeating the same point over and over again over the course of months. It's pretty annoying, really.</div>

[Eric]

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Bah, Zeus does not come on these boards and post the same thing, he does not do that, he does not repeat, reiterate and say the same thing, over and over again, in a fashion of which he does not stop, but countinues and finds more ways to drag up the same topic again without stopping!</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I only use what life gives me</div>