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  • It's funny, the last two years have been so miserable, and I thought I was going to be unhappy for the rest of my life...now here's my life:  (read inside)

  • Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.
Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.
 #20554  by Nev
 Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:57 pm
<div style='font: 10pt ; text-align: left; '>I wake up in the mornings at eight, but since my job starts at ten and I live five minutes from work I usually have an hour to play videogames or go to the park and play tennis before work starts.

I go to work at ten and am doing something I enjoy, so I don't really mind work at all. Being a successful startup in the videogame industry the place is so relaxed, laid-back, and fun that it's really mindblowing. People bouncing on giant bounce-balls down the hallway, stuff like that. Yesterday my boss bought all ten or so of us in my department remote-control cars so the morning was filled with the sounds of RC vehicles buzzing down the hallways. It's not an everyday occurrence, it was more of a holiday thing, but it's still a good example of the company culture. We're the only company I know of that in addition to making us sign a non-harassment policy for the Internet we also have to sign a paper saying we won't sue JAMDAT for anything offensive we're exposed to - so my co-worker's cube across from mine has the Drawn Together screensaver running on it. Despite all of this though we seem to really be very productive and JAMDAT was one of the hottest IPOs in the tech sector last quarter.

I have mind-blowing opportunities: I've been officially hired full-time for about three and a half months and unbelievably I've been given the chance and taken the initiative to be a lead on what some of my friends and I think is going to be a tremendous and important companywide project...to be working on that for a multinational game company is just really exciting. Also I'm being paid very well, which since I am not a college graduate is really an unbelievable stroke of good fortune. However people in this particular industry (wireless entertainment BREW developers) are making quite a bit more on average, with or without a degree, and my friend who just bailed from the company to make a ridiculous amount of money a year at the age of twenty-four as an independent contractor said he could probably get me an interview with one of the companies that's paying higher, not that I want it. (Personally I think the industry's kind of in a gold rush right now and I get flashbacks to the dot-com era, and I think JAMDAT is probably one of the few companies with a real shot at success, but the extra money floating around is sort of nice for the time being.)

So I get off work at seven and go home and can play videogames, listen to music, practice guitar, until about one in the morning.

For the last two years I had almost no friends. Now I play Texas Hold'em with people I met at work every Thursday, and at the company party I was talking to someone about Terry Gilliam movies and have the chance to go over to he and his roommates' apartment and geek out on wacky intellectual stuff and videogames and may have the chance to do stuff I like with people who like it as much as I do. I've never been part of real geek culture before except for a little bit at Stanford and it's really great. Besides that my company is filled with twentysomethings of all types and there is quite a bit of young-people-oriented stimulus I have the chance to partake in.

I have no real responsibilities other than work and rent, cell phone bill, paying off student loans, etc. etc. It's fucking great.

And the people I'm meeting at this company are an exercise in world experience. We (me, this girl I know, and the friend I was talking to about Terry Gilliam) were talking at the company party about how I could join them with this guy who's does swordplay practice with wooden swords and stuff on off-hours. Somehow we started talking to one of the older guys who works upstairs, a short chubby stocky Asian guy in a suit jacket and tailored pants about how he shoots guns for a hobby. He has many guns, among them a .50 caliber rifle and an AK-47 which somehow he bought "before the ban". I swear I felt a little like I in Goldeneye 007 talking to a Chinese arms dealer or something. It was really amazing.

Life can always get better, but if someone outside were describing a life of basically having it be my job to work on fun and live fun outside of work with not much really in the way of it, I'd have to say it sounded a little bit like heaven. It may not be completely, but in a way it kind of is. :)</div>

 #20556  by Eric
 Sat Dec 18, 2004 6:28 pm
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Damn that sounds awesome. :)</div>

 #20558  by Torgo
 Sat Dec 18, 2004 8:22 pm
<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Cool. Good for you, dude.</div>

 #20560  by Zeus
 Sat Dec 18, 2004 10:15 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>That's coo, man. I wish I had time for a life (I commute 4+ hours a day to work). You work at a company that makes cell phone games, yes?</div>

 #20564  by Nev
 Sat Dec 18, 2004 11:03 pm
<div style='font: 10pt ; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.jamdat.com">JAMDAT Mobile</a>

Yes. Here's the site...by the way...4+ hours a day?!?!!? Oh god...</div>

 #20565  by Zeus
 Sat Dec 18, 2004 11:36 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Oh, you're working for a big company, not one of the little pussy ones that are floating around. Good for you. Cell phone game market is growing at an astronomical rate and will only get bigger. They've barely scratched the surface IMO</div>

 #20569  by Tessian
 Sun Dec 19, 2004 12:32 pm
<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>4+ hours?! Wtf?? It takes me 3-4 to get home from college and I can't STAND doing that even 2 times a semester!</div>

 #20570  by Gentz
 Sun Dec 19, 2004 12:37 pm
<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Dude, why don't you just move?</div>

 #20571  by Kupek
 Sun Dec 19, 2004 1:17 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I think he means in total; two hours to get there, two hours to get back. But yes, it's pretty bad.</div>

 #20572  by Zeus
 Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:55 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I actually like the fact that I have that separation between work and home. As an accountant, it's good to be away from work</div>

 #20573  by Ishamael
 Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:59 pm
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>I think when most people think separation between work and home, they're referring to the mental kind, not the geographical-commute-from-hell kind. ;)</div>

 #20575  by Zeus
 Sun Dec 19, 2004 3:03 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>As an accountant, the former IS the latter</div>

 #20576  by Ishamael
 Sun Dec 19, 2004 3:04 pm
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Congrats. Jamdat is one of the the biggest, if not the biggest publishers of mobile games out there. Nice opportunity and it sounds like Jamdat isn't a sweat shop....Errr, looking for people? LOL! BTW, I didn't realize EA had an office in Marina del Rey....</div>

 #20578  by Ishamael
 Sun Dec 19, 2004 3:07 pm
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>I've run across a few accountants and this is my first time hearing that. What makes you say that?</div>

 #20582  by Kupek
 Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:11 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Okay, I think you're seriously rationalizing here. If you had, say, a 30 minute commute, that's an extra three and a half hours a day you could spend with your wife, reading, playing videogames, or hell, sleeping.</div>

 #20585  by Zeus
 Sun Dec 19, 2004 8:46 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I sleep on the bus :-) It's also a comfort thing at work, I like the environment I'm in</div>

 #20586  by Zeus
 Sun Dec 19, 2004 8:46 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>They know they can't just call me in for the stupid things, so they only call me in when it's important. It's like that with all accounting firms here</div>

 #20594  by SineSwiper
 Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:07 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>You're off work. Don't answer the damn phone if they call too much. Or be like "Hi, I'm at home now...if you're going to call me, it's going to cost overtime, so fuck off!"</div>

 #20596  by Ishamael
 Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:08 am
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>heh, that'd be small consolation for me, but if that's the way it works up there, I say go for it...</div>

 #20605  by Zeus
 Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:33 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>1) I'm salary, so no OT; 2) Our industry doesn't work that way</div>

 #20607  by Flip
 Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:01 pm
<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>Some firms offer OT, i get straight pay for any hours over 40, which is my salary divided by 2080. Other firms offer extra vacation, etc.</div>

 #20608  by Nev
 Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:01 pm
<div style='font: 10pt ; text-align: left; '>Actually we are...we need port people for BREW (C++) and J2ME games.  Interested at all?</div>

 #20609  by Flip
 Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:02 pm
<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>i commute roughly 30 min to an hour and anything longer my wife would bitch at me for never being home to spend time with her.</div>

 #20610  by Nev
 Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:06 pm
<div style='font: 10pt ; text-align: left; '>If Zeus is in some sort of fantasy dream land as regards his commute to work then for the love of God let him stay there. Why on earth would you want to wake him up to a life of horror...</div>

 #20611  by Nev
 Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:07 pm
<div style='font: 10pt ; text-align: left; '>If Zeus is in some sort of fantasy dream land as regards his commute to work then for the love of God let him stay there.  Why on earth would you want to wake him up to a life of horror?</div>

 #20612  by Nev
 Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:09 pm
<div style='font: 10pt ; text-align: left; '>Dear God people, If Zeus is in some sort of fantasy dream land as regards his commute to work then for the love of God let him stay there.  Why on earth would you want to wake him up to a life of horror?</div>

 #20615  by Zeus
 Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:52 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Maybe in America..</div>

 #20616  by Sephy
 Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:10 pm
<div style='font: 12pt "Times New Roman"; text-align: left; '>Move closer to work dummy, not change work.</div>

 #20617  by Kupek
 Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:46 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>So he can move or get a different job.</div>

 #20618  by Nev
 Mon Dec 20, 2004 7:10 pm
<div style='font: 10pt ; text-align: left; '>Good point, I guess.</div>

 #20619  by Zeus
 Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:54 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I have to stay in public accounting for 2 1/2 years before I get my designation, THEN I'll be able to actually have a job selection in something other than public accounting (auditing). If I move now, it's just to another firm, and why would I want to risk going somewhere where the culture is worse?</div>

 #20620  by Ishamael
 Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:33 am
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Just started at a new place, but ask me again in a year. :) The pay OK? No game making experience though....</div>

 #20621  by Ishamael
 Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:34 am
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>LOL!</div>

 #20623  by Ishamael
 Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:36 am
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>I have to admit, he's taking far better than I would. :)</div>

 #20625  by Kupek
 Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:11 am
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Because it might be better?</div>
 #20628  by SineSwiper
 Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:31 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>I used to work for a restraunt manager that work damned near 80 hours a week on salary. He said that if he calculated the hourly rate, he would be making the same as the waitresses WITHOUT TIPS. Working non-pay OT for a few hours is one thing, but subtracting your life because your job is too cheap is quite another. If you're so plagued by calls from work that you purposely put yourself 2 hours away, there might be a problem.</div>

 #20630  by SineSwiper
 Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:33 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Heh...mine already bitches about the 3rd shift deal.</div>

 #20631  by SineSwiper
 Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:34 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>That's funny. I thought Canada was known for respecting their people better.</div>

 #20635  by Zeus
 Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:52 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I've got friends in other places, doesn't look like it</div>

 #20636  by Zeus
 Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:53 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Well, i would, but I actually don't like being trapped in my house between 6:30am - 10am and 3:30pm - 7:30pm and all day on the weekends (traffic)</div>

 #20637  by Zeus
 Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:54 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Not when it comes to work. You guys are WAAAAY better at treating the employees down there for the most part, up here they work you to the bone. Don't forget, a lot are immigrants who are accustomed to working 15 hour days....</div>

 #20638  by Zeus
 Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:55 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I'm only a year and a bit into my job. I have to be here for about 2 1/2 to 3 years then I'm marketable as hell. THEN I can move to where I want and make more money with less pressure. I just have to wait which is why it's not worth changing and risk going to a worse place</div>

 #20639  by Kupek
 Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:50 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>No, you'd rather be trapped in your CAR.</div>
 #20647  by Nev
 Tue Dec 21, 2004 8:01 pm
<div style='font: 10pt ; text-align: left; '>I personally think they're nuts, because the industry is not paying sustainable first and second-year engineering wages right now. E-mail me if really interested and I'll give details.

The game-making thing might be an issue though. A big selling point for me was the fact that I'd done a few game projects on my own before this. Then again, I'm not exactly credentialed so who knows.</div>

 #20657  by Ishamael
 Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:02 am
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Nah, I'm gonna stick to what I'm doing right now (for now). BTW, when say your coworkers disagree about the pay, are they talking about you specifically or the company's pay policy overall?</div>

 #20658  by Ishamael
 Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:04 am
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Your justifications for that insane commute get funnier by the second. Come on, tell us the REAL reason. We won't laugh...except maybe Blotus, but he's a dope anyway...</div>

 #20662  by SineSwiper
 Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:37 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>I guess as long as it's short-term, but that's still a long wait to be doing that sort of thing. That's got to kill your car maint/gas costs.</div>

 #20663  by SineSwiper
 Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:38 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Hey, we have that too, though it has to do with the pay scale, not work hours, and it's only in certainly low-wage fields. (Sometimes it's hard to find a non-Mexican hotel maid, for example.)</div>

 #20686  by Nev
 Wed Dec 22, 2004 4:50 pm
<div style='font: 10pt ; text-align: left; '>Company policy.</div>