While I appreciate games that are hard, I sorta have a problem with RPGs that want you to read FAQs and cheat to win. Behold FFX...

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>My characters in FFX aren't at level 99, but they have been buffed quite well. There were plenty of times that I spent fighting, just to get more stats. Everybody's between 2500-4500HP. Tidus, Lulu, and Yuna all have awesome weapons with One MP Cost on them. Tidus has Hastega/Slowga, Lulu has Demi/Ultima/Holy, and Yuna is probably my best char with all of the white spells and Ultima. (Everything she touchs does 9999 dmg.) Yet, when I go to fight Sin, sometimes the creatures in there kill me. All of the creatures there have anywhere from 10K-100K HP, which seems to me like they EXPECT me to have One MP Cost on Lulu/Yuna, who must CONSTANTLY use Holy. (I thought I had an advantage with the One MP Cost on those characters.)

Then I get to fight Sin. Things are going somewhat well, and then he pulls out that damn sword. WTF?! He does it CONSTANTLY, and it kills my characters most of the time. It's like I'm supposed to have 9999HP for my characters. Did I miss something? Since when did FF games require you to build up and build up and build up your characters to uber status before you can even touch the boss. I can beat FF2/FF3/FF7/FF8 just fine, but Sin is impossible.

And the FMV before the boss is REALLY FUCKING ANNOYING! I just want to skip that and fight the boss!</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I'd have to try to die at Sin. I think it's because I spent a lot of time at the Omega Ruins.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>I did, too. I haven't actually gone into the Omega Ruins, but I've built up plenty of XP just hanging around the save point over there. I've been there for hours, and yet I still die at Sin. What's the HP for your characters?</div>

[Andrew, Killer Bee]

<div style='font: 10pt georgia; text-align: left; '>You're losing your touch, dude :). I had to fight Sin a few times, stats similar to yours, but managed it eventually. The sword attack is a limit break for the last boss, yeah? Have Tidus talk to him, it calms him down (and don't waste the talk on his earlier, weaker breaks!).</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>No, it's when you beat his first form. His limit bar has nothing to do with the standard attack with his sword. On top of that, it seems like he has too many turns. I do Hastega on my characters, and I only get one turn before he attack with either a stone gaze or his sword.</div>

[Don]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>You're supposed to run away on a good portion of them. If you can kill them easily then you can kill Sin easily too.

As for Sin himself, you can't let the fight drag on because he gets harder as time passes. Pretty much have to kill him fast with quick hits.

I beat him with HP around 3-4K, wasn't that impossible.</div>

[Don]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>The sword attack does more damage the longer you fight him I believe. Once he whips out the sword you've to kill him fast.</div>

[Don]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Just use the HP double item you get from stealing in Omega Ruins. I did it with around 2.5K HP to 3K on my characters (double makes it 5K-6K). Once he's armor breaked you can pretty much hit him for 9999 as fast as Quick Attack would let you, and he's only got about 180K so usually he only gets 4-5 rounds max if you've everyone using Quick Attack (use your spheres to get the people too far away from Tidus's path to learn it).

FYI my party was Rikku, Tidus, and Wakka, with Auron in at the very beginning for Armor Break. This is the fastest party you can get, and use eihter a teleport or a special sphere to let Wakka learn Quick Hit. Rikku deals with healing because using items is a lot quicker than casting magic. Wakka keeps the pagodas inactive since those help him a lot.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Not maxed out, at least I don't think. By this point, everyone had finished their "normal" path, and some had done even more.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I wanted to see if he did any cool spells (like Supernova in FF7), so I let him beat up on me for about ten minutes. Then I got bored and finished him off. Spending 5-10 hours in the Omega Ruins makes your characters god-like.</div>

[Don]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Much easier that way, though I did poke around in Omega Ruins a bit.</div>

[Don]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Normal path stats is pretty much the bare minimum to even have a chance against Sin unless you have place your stats spheres in such a way that your entire party you use on Sin can benefit them. In particular, getting 2-3 more Strength spheres goes a long way increasing your damage versus Sin. My characters were pretty weak when they fought Sin but pretty much everyone has finish their path. I just teleported Rikku/Wakka to where I concentrated the stat spheres so they can get a lot of stats without having to walk very far.</div>

[the Gray]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I hope you're kidding, I beat Sin with only 4200 Hp on my Characters</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Kimhari was only good for letting Yuna and Lulu get Ultima, and Rikku was kinda worthless (well, except for her ability to use the Albed potion).

A turn with Lulu or Yuna was a guanranteed 20,000 because they also each had 1 MP Cost.</div>

[Judgment 1999]

<div style='font: 14pt ; text-align: left; '>and once you've powered them all the way up, try fighting Sin again. I guarantee you'll come back here bitching about how EASY Sin was then. I guarantee it. :)</div>

[Eric]

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>OK, it's easier said then done to get those weapons, and it's not a fun process!</div>

[Don]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>You hardly need celestial weapons for Sin anyway</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>I missed Flare, which pissed me off later on, because Ultima isn't as good as it claims to be, but almost everybody has Ultima, and Lulu/Rikka/Yuna has Holy, so that's good. I've been hanging around the Monster Arena and collecting other monsters. I've also been reading the Bribe FAQ, so I was ability to unlock that Auto-Life that has been sitting there for Tidus and Yuna. That one spell is probably the turning point in whether you live or die in a boss fight (or fight with the famous Confuse/Poison breathers), especially since they both have One MP Cost.

Yuna finally has Hastega, so she's even more badass, and I'm trying to buff up Bahamut. Lulu has a spell that is two spots away from Flare, so after she's finished with some of the high-level White spells, I'm going to Return her to that spot to get Flare (and give Flare to others). I've been bribing those one guys that give you 2x Mega-Pheonix, so now Yuna/Rikka has both Auto-Phoenix and Alechemy (which equals Full Life recovery). As long as nobody does a instant death on all three guys, they can pretty much do it forever. (Plus, I can cast Auto-Life just in case.)

I think I'm in a condition to fight Sin just fine now, but I'd like to hang around and get some more of those bribes.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Doublecast? No wonder. That's like the hardest ability to get in the sphere grid.</div>

[Agent 57]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I leveled up before I went inside Sin, put on a No Encounters bangle once inside, and still cakewalked through the final battle.</div>

[Don]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Even with fairly modest stats, it's quite easy to get a 9999 on Sin with just good old Brotherhood once you armor break him.

Auron, Yuna, and Lulu are pretty much deadweights until they're done with a significant portion of Tidus/Wakka/Rikku or if you're able actually get Agility Spheres but if you can get those then Sin has to be trivial to you since Fenrir or whoever drops those is way harder than Sin. They might have really strong attacks and everything, but getting 20K for casting a spell from people with low agility is just not worth it when higher agility people like Wakka/Tidus can Quick Hit nonstop, and the Use command is blazing fast too. Let's you heal without setting you back like the way Holy/Ultima would (though Flare has a decent recovery time).</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>I almost never run away from fights, but the guys with Confuse/Poison have put the fear of god in me, though.</div>

[Don]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Meteor managed to do like 3000 damage to my party that killed everything up to Ultima Buster when I went back there just for fun. Yeah, those with 255 physical defense only take like 50 from it but not everyone has 255 physical defense, even on a party that can kill Ultima Buster.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Is that his last form? With all of the form of FF8, I was expecting more.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Is that his last form?  With all of the forms of FF8's last boss, I was expecting more.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>You don't kill Ultima Buster. You bribe him. (Or is that Ultima Weapon?)</div>

[the Gray]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Just get one or two of them then, I just got Tidus' and Aurons'.</div>

[Don]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>What's up with everyone's obsession with Auron? He's slower than a slug.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>I didn't have Quick Hit at the time. Tidus is going for that now. Ironically, Yuna has Quick Hit now before Tidus.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Honestly, my Wakka does almost twice as much damage as Auron.</div>

[Flip]

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>and i didnt use game FAQ's so it is possible. Everyone has already touched on it, use the double life item, use the 1 mp item (or if you have the ability, fine, i didnt have the ability on Tidus so i used the item), use some breaks (wakka and tidus had my breaks), use hastega, then pummel him with quick hits (Tidus and Wakka) while Yuna heals with elixers and shoots off a holy or so every so often.

I never use the elixers or mega elixers during the game so i had a bi stock and dont mind using them at the end. Yuna can throw in some shell and protects, too. All in all it isnt that bad, 1 mp quick hits absolutely rocks his world.</div>

[Flip]

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>heh, yeah i hate those fuckers. Reminds me of the days when geists and ghosts and ghouls in FF1 would petrefy your entire army and piss me off to no end.</div>

[Don]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Well, I'd say Neslug and the other one boss that always strip away your spells are harder than him even though Ultima Buster is supposed to be the 2nd to last challenge boss.</div>

[ManaMan]

<div style='font: 12pt "Courier New"; text-align: left; '>Yeah, they want you to shell out $20 bucks for the guide :)</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Or 7th Saga had those global death spells that had a chance of wiping out your entire party.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Yeah, Quick Hit seems to be a important skill.</div>

[Eric]

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Yeah, but he's also cool. :)</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I found his breaks very useful. (Before Tidus and Wakka got them.) For a lot of the time, he was the strongest character I had.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Magic doesn't miss. Some of the enemies in Omega Ruins had high evasion, so if I wanted to end a fight quickly, Doublecast.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Is that the end of the Omega Ruins? I took them down quicker than I thought I would.</div>

[Don]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>And yes he's strong but even though he hits harder than anyone else he's also slower than anyone else.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Yeah, I used him because I thought he was cool.</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Auron is simply too badass NOT to use him</div>

[Andrew, Killer Bee]

<div style='font: 10pt georgia; text-align: left; '>1. He's too cool not to use. 2. He was the only one of my characters that had enough HP to survive many nasty boss attacks :).</div>

[Don]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>UW is in Omega Ruins. Ultima Buster is the 2nd to last hidden boss in arena</div>

[Don]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I didn't have any problem missing enemies while going through Omega Ruins.</div>

[Don]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>It's the most important skill, even more so than Hastega</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Well I did. The lizard-like creatures had a pretty high evade.</div>

[Flip]

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>especially in a monster preemptive attack (for FF). You have no chance and then lose.</div>

[Flip]

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>especially in a monster preemptive attack (for FF).  You have no chance and then lose, gayness to the maximus.</div>