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  • Finished all the Final Fantasy's on NES, SNES, recently finished 7 on PSX, and am now a good ways through FF8 (near the end of disk 3), thoughts...

  • Because playing them is not enough, we have to bitch about them daily, too. We had a Gameplay forum, but it got replaced by GameFAQs.
Because playing them is not enough, we have to bitch about them daily, too. We had a Gameplay forum, but it got replaced by GameFAQs.
 #32647  by Julius Seeker
 Sun Jan 12, 2003 1:08 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Well FF8 I kind of cheated on since I have actually been playing it since I started on Final Fantasy 5 for SNES earlier.

Final Fantasy 1 on NES, generally this game has no plot to it. Yet the thrill of this game comes from the adventuring. The dungeons and such are fairly well done for a game of this time period. There are a lot of very hard challenges ahead. The most annoying thing is the status effects magic. Leveling up isn't much of a problem if you know what you're doing. Final Fantasy 9 plays a nice tribute to this game by ressurecting old villains, Garland, Lich, Kary, Kraken, and Tiamat, they look the same and generally play the same part in that game (in fact there is a lot of hinting towards the plot of Final Fantasy I, following FF9's plot, the plot holes in FF1 are filled)

Final Fantasy 2j on NES, this game is absolutely horrible, the game was the first Final Fantasy to really have a story to it (since 1 didn't have much) but it was very poorly done. The battles in this game are very boring, and you generally don't feel much of a connection to your characters throughout the game. In fact the only thing about this game that can be considered good is its plot. The only reason why I consider it good is because the first one nearly lacked a plot completely. Yet this game just isn't fun. I guess I should mention that leveling up seams like it is 90% of the game (maybe it is). The system is similar to Final Fantasy Legend, only the game is not nearly as well done as Final Fantasy Legend. This game also saw very little cosmetic change from the first, all in all, unpolished and untested seam to be my final thoughts. This game is simply not at all enjoyable, possibly the worst RPG I have ever played.

Final Fantasy 3j on NES, Of all the NES Final Fantasy's I felt this one was the greatest. Again you received the ability to build your own characters, only this time a real job system is introduced. The gameplay is much more polished than the previous two Final Fantasy's (Final Fantasy 2 was a huge step down from 1), and the graphics are also improved. The one thing that I find interesting in this game is that it introduces much of what has become famous in later Final Fantasy's (the summon monsters that become the Espers in Final Fantasy III/6j on SNES for example. There are about 20 different job classes I believe, you will start out as Onion Kids and work your way up from there. I felt much more attatchment to these characters than any of the previous Final Fantasy games I played. All in all, for fans of the Final Fantasy series, it is this game where nearly all of the Final Fantasy tradition begins with, it is also a great game to play on top of that, it has a much more polished feel than the previous two games.

Final Fantasy II (4j) on SNES. This game is a bit of an improvement technologically from the NES titles, yet not a huge leap from Final Fantasy 3j. Plotwise this game is more advanced than the others. Yet the fun factor of this game is very low. There are some high points in the game, I will admit that I did enjoy a part of the game where you head underground, some of it. There just isn't really a great deal to say about this game. I didn't find it to be nearly as fun as 3j, a good part of that is the gameplay mechanics, they just didn't feel right. I also lacked any attatchment with the characters, I found them to be bland and unenjoyable. Only Yang was cool at all. Battles weren't as fun as the previous games mainly because all they seamed to do was level you up until you were powerful enough to slaughter the next boss. When Final Fantasy II was released in North America, there were already better RPG's available, that was probably the main issue I had with it when I first played it. All in all, this game seams more experimental for later installments, it holds many elements that will be used in future FF games, but is fairly bland otherwise. This game is not very fun at all to go throughl.

Final Fantasy 5j, this one was a vast improvement over the last in the gameplay field. As far as the plot goes, if they changed a few names and events around this could have easily been a direct sequel to Final Fantasy 1 on NES and a nice link between Final Fantasy 1 and 9, though it is possible that that is exactly what it is in the Japanese translation. The game takes the gameplay system used from Final Fantasy 3j and improves upon it by quite a bit, for example you can use abilities from a job class you are not currently using which makes things very customizable. The plot is also quite improved from part III and very enjoyable for fans of the classics (I enjoyed it much more than part II on SNES). The fun factor of the game is also the best to date. Graphics are only slightly improved over Final Fantasy II, so it is expected that anyone would be dissapointed. The music is my favorite of any Final Fantasy game (so far, but this game ranks in my top 3 favorites for music even now).

Final Fantasy III, this game was completed much later on than the others. I believe it had by far the longest development period to date in a Final Fantasy game, and it very much shows. The graphics and music are vastly improved over the previous games (the music remains today as my favorite in the series) and are used to paint very atmospheric scenes throughout the game. There is also a lot of light hearted moments in the game which greatly added to my enjoyment. Plotwise, this game is by far the most advanced for any RPG on the market at the time of its release (aside from perhaps the Lunar games, but I did not play the original versions). The Gameplay is similar to Final Fantasy II's, only far more customizable with the use of magic. The dunegons and cities in the game are all very atmospheric, and very well done. The characters have many interactions between one and other which make things very enjoyable. All in all, this game is even to this day in my mind the most fun of all the Final Fantasy's. It was definetly a huge pleasure to play the game once again.

Final Fantasy 7, I remember when I first popped this game in. I thought, "now here is the greatest game ever released." The beginning seamed very polished and well done, very atmospheric. Yet once out int the world, things seamed to fall apart, it just lacked the atmospheric feel that the previous Final Fantasy had. A large part of why Final Fantasy fans didn't take well to this game is because they already had a game that was far more enjoyable available to them. All in all, the music is well done, but not very memorable like 5j and 6j. The characters just weren't very enjoyable. This last time I played the game I felt about half as interested in the game as I did when I played through the first time. Though yesterday afternoon was actually the first time I had ever finished the game myself. Plotwise, there is a lot of dialogue, but 90% of it seams quite pointless. I guess the feeling I get from this game is that I was doing things which I didn't really want to be doing, or didn't care for. The fun factor was quite low for me, I just couldn't appreciate anything from this game. All in all, this game drags on a lot, and never seams to get to the point leaving the player unsatisfied.

Final Fantasy 8, Now, this is one game that the first time I played through I disliked as much as I did Final Fantasy 7. Yet it was not related to the characters or the plot, it was the gameplay. I just simply didn't understand it because I hadn't researched it. Gameplaywise, this game is by far the most complex of Final Fantasy's, there are many different ways to do things, and it will definetly take research to understand how to do them. For example, this time around I understood the gameplay mechanics completely, I did a lot of research on them first of all. The game is actually very well paced if you know what you're doing. Characterwise, this game is the best in the series, the interactions and development far surpasses anything yet seen (even today) in a game by Square. I will use as an example, Laguna and his interactions between the characters of Julia and Raine, at first glance you may see this as just touching moments; but when paying attention to the plot as whole it is seen that these are all very significant encounters and weaves very much into the development of the plot. I will admit that I didn't pay very close attention to the plot at all my first time through, I payed attention to the events rather than interactions and everything; this time I am enjoying it very much, taking in everything. The plot overall (including character's and everything in it) is vastly improved over Final Fantasy 7. Graphically, this game is quite beautiful, in quality it is slightly better than Final Fantasy 7. Music, now this is a major point in the game, "Julia's theme" is perhaps the single most moving song in any videogame ever made, it also plays an important role in the plot and has significant sentimental meaning to several of the characters; my favorite song in a videogame. The battle themes are among the greatest in any RPG, and all in all, it is masterfully done. Fun factor, this game is enourmously fun (this coming from a guy who once hated the game because he played it to get through it rather than to explore and enjoy it). I haven't finished the game yet, in fact, I have never finished it. I don't even know what the ending is about, but I can't wait to see it. This game might turn out to be my favorite in the series if the ending satisfies all that has built up (as you can tell, I am already largely satisfied with much of that which has happen).

If anyone else is interested in playing through Final Fantasy 8, there are a number of things you MUST know. I will compile a list of everything that is important. I will also note that there is a very large amount of information included in Tutorial modes and in the classroom of the Balamb Garden (where you begin the game) that will probably explain most or all of what you need to know to get through the game correctly. If you ignore advice to get through, you will likely have a lot of trouble getting through the game, and possibly even fail (as I did my first time playing, and as I know a lot of people here at the shrine did as well). I will probably write a review for this game as I expect that it will be my favorite of all the Final Fantasy games (unless 10 proves to be far better than I expect). I will also write my thoughts on 9 and 10 along with final thoughts on 8 (unless my review satisisfies those) when I have finished them all. On another subject, I'll also have a review up of Metroid Prime eventually (probably after I have the 100% ending) since I am in love with this game.</div>

 #32648  by Tortolia
 Sun Jan 12, 2003 1:37 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I've beaten every FF game but FF2j...no urge to keep playing it. I agree that FF3j was quite a lot of fun, but I've always been partial to the Job system and its various incarnations</div>

 #32649  by SineSwiper
 Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:42 pm
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Replaying FFT. It's probably the only RPG I've ever replayed.</div>

 #32650  by ManaMan
 Sun Jan 12, 2003 4:35 pm
<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Got alot of free time on your hands do you? :)</div>

 #32651  by Flip
 Sun Jan 12, 2003 6:44 pm
<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>i am still, too. The job system and knowing what you need for job x is such a big motivator. I have a problem lvl'ing in RPG's nowadays but not this game.</div>

 #32652  by Julius Seeker
 Sun Jan 12, 2003 8:16 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Of course, the winter break is when I sit down and play videogames, there's nothing really much else to do during the day.</div>
 #32653  by SineSwiper
 Sun Jan 12, 2003 8:54 pm
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Like when I'm going into a mindless pattern of Accumulate, Accumulate, Chakra, Haste, Attack Ramza, Chakra, etc., etc. Of course, I guess that's not the proper way to level up, but it's the only way to get any sort of JPs for your jobs, because with normal playing, even with Gained JP Up turned on, it's really slow to get anything done otherwise.

If FFTA wanted to make some tweaks, it should make it harder to "cheat", but give you more JP points, so that you can actually get to the more interesting stuff. Then again, if they plan on giving you more classes, maybe it's because they made it easier to max out a class. And then again, I thought I was the fucking shit uber powerful group...until I get my ass kicked and ass kicked and ass kicked for five fucking hours on that goddamn Weigraf fight. (I fucked up and saved right before the battle, too, so I couldn't go back and level up some more.) Defeating him is more like luck than it is anything else.</div>
 #32654  by Flip
 Sun Jan 12, 2003 9:21 pm
<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>lvl'ing is close to cheating. Of course, i used also those jobs you get at the bar a lot for my side characters that i didnt use often.

In that Wiegraf fight i think i got lucky with a break weapon atack which made his rather pathetic for the rest of the battle. Of course you fight him a couple times so maybe i am thinking of a different fight.

I fired up my old saved game the other day which was right at the end thinking i ould get owned but it would be fun to try and actually found the last fight really darn easy, calcs and Orlando are just rediculous. Another thing FFTA could do is tryand avoid the uber classes.

The ending is a great ending, a good culmination of the whole 'Game of Thrones' kinda stuff. Even with a terrible translation i think the story was a good one.</div>

 #32655  by Flip
 Sun Jan 12, 2003 9:22 pm
<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>you could work you know. I made a lot of money this break, thankfully, was getting close to broke there for a while. Now i'm back and school starts tomorrow :/</div>

 #32657  by SineSwiper
 Mon Jan 13, 2003 12:10 am
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Actually, the first part, while hard, is doable. It's the second part, when he had three fiends doing massive damage, while he's picking off my guys himself.</div>

 #32661  by the Gray
 Mon Jan 13, 2003 2:47 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>FF2j and FF5 are definately must plays. They rival my love for DW4 and Phantasy Star 2&4</div>
 #32662  by Julius Seeker
 Mon Jan 13, 2003 3:33 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>2j reminds me too much of an experimental version of Final Fantasy Legend 1, and Legend 1 was way better (one of my favorite games ever actually, it's very simple for an RPG, but very fun as well). FF2j is obvious a game that had a ton of potential though, perhaps the remake will fix all of its major problems.</div>

 #32663  by Julius Seeker
 Mon Jan 13, 2003 3:43 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Yeah I could have worked, but I decided long ago that the winter break will always be my month off. It's really the only time I get to seriously play any RPG's.</div>

 #32665  by Kupek
 Mon Jan 13, 2003 6:14 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>That exact thing happened to me. (At least I think it was that fight.) I was stuck for THREE WEEKS. I loved that game, though. The gameplay had a real chess feeling.</div>

 #32666  by the Gray
 Mon Jan 13, 2003 9:44 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Ahhh, horrible typo. Yes I meant 3j</div>
 #32668  by SineSwiper
 Mon Jan 13, 2003 11:00 pm
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>I was a White Priest with Ramza that game. Wiengraf gets the first attack. Lightning Stab, critical, which does about 190 HP, to my max HP of 176 or so. Game Over. I'm like WTF?! I thought there was no way to beat him because I DIDN'T get a turn! The next battle I realized that it was a fluke and I could at least survive the hit.</div>

 #32671  by Flip
 Tue Jan 14, 2003 9:41 am
<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>You dont actually lose until your body decays for three turns anyways. I usually have a couple guys with chemist skills and phoenix down.</div>

 #32673  by Zeus
 Tue Jan 14, 2003 9:59 am
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Ugh! I TRIED playing the 2 FF games for the NES we never got. THEY SUCKED! FF5 was pretty cool, though, for the hour I played it</div>

 #32677  by Julius Seeker
 Tue Jan 14, 2003 11:27 am
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Damn horrible =)</div>

 #32678  by Julius Seeker
 Tue Jan 14, 2003 11:33 am
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>The 3rd FF game on NES was actually really good, but your description is perfect for the 2nd =)</div>

 #32679  by SineSwiper
 Tue Jan 14, 2003 11:34 am
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Uhhh...it's a one-on-one fight. I'm sure Wiengraf isn't going to revive me out of the kindness of his heart.</div>

 #32683  by Julius Seeker
 Tue Jan 14, 2003 2:52 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I got lucky both times I played that battle, but I did have auto-potion on I think.</div>

 #32688  by Flip
 Tue Jan 14, 2003 8:52 pm
<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>ahhh, so thats the one you mean, thats the one where i got in the lucky weapon break and whooped his ass.</div>

 #32692  by Eric
 Tue Jan 14, 2003 11:37 pm
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>I learned the beauty of the sweet cheapness that is Yell. :)</div>

 #32699  by SineSwiper
 Wed Jan 15, 2003 3:03 pm
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>That takes a while.</div>
 #32700  by SineSwiper
 Wed Jan 15, 2003 3:08 pm
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file ... own.txt</a>

It doesn't work for all of the classes, so it's not completely cheap, and the game is still fun, because I have to build up my job levels and JPs for the other classes, as well as steal items. It's good to try out if your going through your second time on the game.</div>

 #32702  by Eric
 Wed Jan 15, 2003 4:19 pm
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Whatever, after Don told me about it I used it and it worked.</div>