That was like Braveheart with spiders... [shudder]

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>If you don't know what I'm talking about, don't worry.</div>

[Torgo]

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>My friends and I were thought about renting that last night. Fortunately , we came to our senses and ended up watching the extended version of Fellowship of the Ring.</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/eightleg ... ght-Legged Freaks</a>

If you're referring to Eight-Legged Freaks, I don't think anyone could say it better than Mr. Cranky</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Eight Legged Freaks was great for what it was: a spoof on 50's and 60's B-horror flicks that always knew what it was and never took itself too seriously. For that, it was worth my $8 and definetely worth a rental...as long as you know what it is going in</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I'm so sick of all these fucking high-production neo-B-movies coming out lately. All the stuff you're saying ("it didn't take itself seriously! it was just what it was supposed to be!") - that's exactly what these idiotic sleaze-bags want you to think when you're watching this movie. They don't want to exert the brainpower (if they even have the capacity to exert brainpower) to create a half-decent script or a half-decent movie, so they toss some total crap down on a page in five seconds, get David Arquette to act like a fucking 5-year-old who misplaced his Ritalin, and make a quick trip to Wal-Mart to pick up some rakes for gathering up all the cash that people are throwing in their faces.

This movie does not have "camp" value. It is artificial camp generated for the purposes of making money by doing absolutely nothing. And it pisses me off</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>You just don't get it. That's fine, just don't ever watch a movie like that or Jason X, you'll hate them. You might even hate Starship Troopers as well</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>SS Troopers didn't have power suits. That alone kills the whole movie.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Actually, I'm referring to a particular scene in a recent movie.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>He's wrong about one thing: for those of us who are arachnophobic, the idea of giant spiders is frightening.</div>

[Tortolia]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>SS Troopers is one of my favorite "I just want to be entertained tonight" movies. It's great for what it is, untrue to the book or not.</div>

[Tessian]

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>it remains the only movie to date that had me convinced to see it a year before it came out with the teaser (LotR movies don't count ;P)</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>It was much different from what I know of the book, but it still ruled. It's awesome as a great "have fun" movie and even has a cool commentary on war history and imperialistic/nationalistic mentality to boot</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I was exactly the opposite, I thought the teasers SUCKED ASS. I went to see it 'cause of Verhoven, that's it</div>

[Stephen]

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Starship Troopers had titty. That alone makes it fucking awesome.</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>There's a difference between simple, yet entertaining movies and artificial camp value. I liked Starship Troopers!</div>

[Tessian]

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>yeah but we all know that's because you have poor taste ;)</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Heh...that was the only thing saving it. That and Denise Richards.</div>

[Lee S.]

<div style='font: ; text-align: left; '>They had a short-lived series on the WB that I saw once or twice called Roughnecks: The SS Trooper Chronicles that adhered much closer to the book, I thought. It was all CG, pretty well done.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>In very rare circumstances, planned camp works. Eight Legged Freaks and Jason X are examples of that. By no means is that the norm. See Iron Chef USA for a poor example</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Oh yeah, I remember that....somewhat. They canceled it before I had a chance to see it....</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Starship Troopers is so different from the book, you kind of have to wonder why they even bothered using the same name...</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>I'll watch that one eventually. I have a thing for good bad movies....And if David Arquette is in it, I can at least be guaraunteed it'll be bad. :)</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>In any case, it fucking rules. I watch Iron Chef because it's <i>good</i> entertainment. That's the difference. There is some camp value in it (and that's probably the reason it was brought to the US, you're right), but I don't enjoy the show as camp, I enjoy it because it's a damn cool idea.

However, the only reason someone would be inclined to see a film like Jason X is because it's an idea so moronic and ludicrous that it would be worth a good laugh. The Friday the 13th series has been referenced and parodied (not to mention sequeled) so many times that it has become a cliche unto itself. There is absolutely no way to make a new Jason film that takes itself seriously when the entire idea of Friday the 13th is a hackneyed cliche. The producers and writers of Jason X are just as aware of this fact as everyone else, but they made the film under a guise of ignorance. That's the problem here. There's nothing inherently wrong with camp-value itself, just camp that is purposefully injected into a film in order to make money. People see the trailers for Jason X and immediately take the bait. They say "Oh my God! They made another Jason movie?? How stupid can they be?? Haha! What a dumb idea! Haha..ha..ha...oh, man, I've <i>gotta</i> see that movie!!!!!"

But the filmmakers aren't stupid. They know that this is <i>exactly</i> the reaction you're going to have when you see a trailer for a tenth Jason film. And a movie like this is a producer's fucking wet-dream, man. It's a film that everybody wants to see, but it takes no talent, no thought, no effort, and (best of all!) no money to make!

There's no such thing as artificial camp that "works" or "doesn't work." Some just dupes more people than others.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>The original Iron Chef is pure, unintentional camp. I was talking about Iron Chef USA, which was attempting to be artificial camp, emulating the original, and did NOT work. As for Jason X, they COULD have tried to make yet another serious horror flick, but they didn't. They had fun and it worked</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I'm not talking about Eight Legged Freaks... do any of you pay attention?</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Hmmm... have you seen Jason X?</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Do I need to? I think the intentions behind the making of the movie are obvious. If you've seen the movie and think differently then feel free to surprise me.</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I know I sound like Sine here, but come on here, this isn't the Graduate we're talking about. There isn't really anything to Jason X that can't be inferred from the title. I've read plot summaries, but I don't think I needed to do even that to argue my point.</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I've never seen it but I'd assume you're probably right : )

And, yes, we can say that they were just having "fun" with Jason X, but seriously - how much more fucking <i>fun</i> do we need with the Jason series? There was already NINE of the goddamn things. It became a parody of itself a loooong time ago. They're just trying to milk it now.</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>What movie are you talking about then? For God's sake Kupek! Tell us!!!</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>You can criticize the marketing, but with the depth of which you're criticzing the movie itself, you should really see it first.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Actually, I think ya do. If you're going to argue it's artificial camp, well, that's in the execution of the plot. You can't get it from a plot summary. (For the record, I have not seen it either.)</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>No, but I assumed everybody else was. See, this is what I get for assuming other people actually know more than I do. :)</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>ROFL! You dumbass!</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>This is an evil, manipulative Kupek that no one has seen before. He toys with us, hording his knowledge like a raised sledgehammer and we are helpless mice batted by his paws of contempt as he smiles mockingly at us. Well, he can do that to you all, but he'll not have me! *jumps out of building*</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>It's just a Jason movie...in space. That's it. It's not going to be any different than the past nine Jason movies, because there's barely enough content in the Jason series to fill one movie, let alone ten. I think Jason turns into like "Super-Jason" or something in this one (which seems pretty redundant to me) and he fights an android. I hear the film also spoofs itself to some degree (how surprising!).

If there is some detail about the film that I'm unaware of that would serve as a counter to my argument I welcome anyone here to bring it up. I'll happily decline.</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>There is no depth in which I'm criticizing the film because there IS no depth in the film : )</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Harry-Freaking-Potter. I figured those that had seen it would know what I was talking about.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Me?</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>That's a nice circular argument, Gentz, I'm impressed. :)</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Hey, it probably does suck, but I'm not going to hold anything against anyone without actually seeing it.</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Well, sometimes you just gotta have the guts to make broad, unfounded claims from an invulnerable vantage point : )</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Heh. Oh yeah...</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Yes, you. You allude to a certain scene and expect people to know what it is with such little details.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Lots of spiders, RECENT movie - if you've seen the movie, it's not that hard to put together.</div>

[Torgo]

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Oh right... That was my next guess. I swear!</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>But this was the parody, the only none serious one</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>But that's what you don't get, it IS different because it doesn't take itself too seriously. There's even a classic parody of the other Jason films right near the end that's hilarious. THAT's the difference. Don't compare it to the others because it's not the same thing</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Eight-Legged Freaks is less than a year old, and it has lots of spiders.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>You and I operate under a different defition of the term "recent movie."</div>