Tess nit picks the Two Towers (spoilers abound)

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>It doesn't have to be, Sine just doesn't understand taht</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Gandalf ISN'T human, that's just it. The movie actually did an excellent job in proving that in a pretty subtle way. I was rather impressed how that was done</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Now you know how I feel like when I talk about The Matrix :-)</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Gotta appeal to the masses in order for a film like this to be made, period. The changes were very minor IMO and if it's necessary for the movie to be made, so be it. It can never be the movie I want it to be, but it's much better than I ever could have hoped</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Kinda dull first hour, excellent second hour. Maybe the book is the same, too?</div>

[Flip]

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>Well then i just dont like his character at all anymore, even in a fantasy world there shouldnt be god like deity's, i know it sounds stupid.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>What about the rest of the wizards? How was he reborn?</div>

[Tessian]

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>he's like a guardian of the people...not a diety but above human yes</div>

[Tessian]

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>I still fail to see why they had to be made...Farimir, Helms Deep, Ents, there wasn't really a reason except Jackson wanted the story to develop in a way Tolkien didn't intend</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Well that makes sense. You fail to see a reason, so you make up a poor one, and then disagree with it.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Kupek, you really are an asshole sometimes. He was just theorizing.</div>

[Stephen]

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Starship Troopers had Doogie Howser in Nazi getup. 'NUFF SAID.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Just theorizing? Sounds more like just making things up. He doesn't know why the changes were made.</div>

[Tessian]

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>it's theorizing you jackass-- can YOU think of a better reason why these changes were made? No, I didn't think so</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>1) Sure, Esque put it quite nicely in his post. 2) Oh, so you just make something up that just so happens to make Jackson look bad? That's creating a strawman argument.</div>

[kali o.]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>*smirk*

Oh well, that Tess kid pisses me off too...called ya' jackass for no reason...

Stupid little hoser...

Tear him a new a-hole Kupek!

I'd do it myself, but verbal sparring with him makes me feel as if I'm matching wits with special olympics participant...

Bah!

KO-</div>

[kali o.]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>*smirk*

Oh well, that Tess kid pisses me off too...called ya' jackass for no reason...

Stupid little hoser...

Tear him a new a-hole Kupek!

I'd do it myself, but verbal sparring with him makes me feel as if I'm matching wits with a special olympics participant...

Bah!

KO-</div>

[Eric]

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>*Drags Kali O into the arguement* So what do you think? :)</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>They're demigods, sent by the Gods to Middle Earth to set things straight. Sauron also has a god (can't remember his name)</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>*snicker* You can be a real ass sometimes, you know that? :-)</div>

[Tessian]

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>alright then, in Jackson's self defense perhaps he was intoxiated when writing these sections, or high...or temporarily insane</div>

[Lox]

<div style='font: bold 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Says you. Personally, I'm going to go with the people who actually make movies.</div>

[Torgo]

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>I thought it was a good adaptation. I understand why they left out some parts, and changed others. My only compllaint...</div>

[Torgo]

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>...that they made Faramir look like a total ass. Thanks for ruining a cool guy's credibility, Jackson.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Pfft, Kali would never lower himself to participate in an actual disagreement. He has to moderate from up-on-high.</div>

[kali o.]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Sorry? Speak louder, I can't hear you down there!</div>

[the Gray]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Morgoth, he also commanded the Balrogs</div>

[the Gray]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>He sails away with the elves to the west</div>

[the Gray]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I enjoy the Movie and Book as two seperate, and great, entities. Plus I can get my friends who don't read to enjoy something I've loved for a long time. I was to busy enjoying the fabulous movie to give a fuck about adaptation.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Along with Bilbo. Let's see if they'll put that in the film</div>

[Andrew, Killer Bee]

<div style='font: 10pt georgia; text-align: left; '>Tessian, shut the fuck up.</div>

[Andrew, Killer Bee]

<div style='font: 10pt georgia; text-align: left; '>Wait. You haven't read the books, and you're complaining about the film making some changes to them? My theories as to your being a robot designed exclusively to piss me off are becoming more concrete day by day!</div>

[Andrew, Killer Bee]

<div style='font: 10pt georgia; text-align: left; '>Right on!</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>

1) Why did the Ents originally say no, they won't help out in the war? I didn't see any benefit to that and in the book they do decide to go to war after their meeting.

From what little I remember from the books (which I read LOOONG ago) and saw in the movie, the Ents were very divorced from the day to day happening on Middle Earth. Wars happen all the time, but 99.999% of the time they are of no concern to the Ents. (In fact, hardly anybody even knows Ents exist. To most they are just fairy tales.) Well, this happened to be in the .0001% of the time where a Middle Earth war did concern them.

2 & 3) Helms Deep: Why were the Elves brought into this? They didn't intervene in the book At All, so have them help in the book? Sure it was a nice emotional part, the Elves giving up their chance to leave MiddleEarth to instead help men. And also the reinforcements-- in the book Helms Deep was saved by the angry trees that hated orcs with a passion. They moved in, swallowed up the army, and departed. I liked the scene with the reinforcements charging in to save them, but it was still quite a change.

I had no problem with this as (to me) it's a minor detail. It kept with the spirit of the story of the battle while adding some dramatic flair.

5) Shelob: Wtf is shelob? Gollum talks of her at the very end which means she won't appear till the 3rd movie which is a damned shame cause Shelob's Lair was a big thing in the 2nd book.

I love this decision. I remember much of the business with Shelob as being pretty boring until they finally meet Shelob herself. The rest was just them running through the mountains. I don't think Jackson will have a problem with condensing this and moving it to the 3rd movie.

Like I said-- nit picking. 1-4 I don't really understand why they changed it at all. Everything else was just awesome though: Gollum vs Smeagol, the Dead Swamp, the liberation of the King of Rohan's mind, all grand.

Yep. Another very good movie. Will post a couple thoughts on it later.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>If it had song and dance, nobody would like the book enough to make a movie about it. But, it's acknowledged as a great book, so why fuck up the movie?</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>If I remember correctly, the book had some music lyrics in it......</div>

[Andrew, Killer Bee]

<div style='font: 10pt georgia; text-align: left; '>Sine, read the books! They are filled, filled to the brim with songs and poems!</div>