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 #53439  by G-man Joe
 Mon Feb 17, 2003 2:20 am
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The Simpsons
Who turned America's best TV show into a cartoon?
By Chris Suellentrop
Posted Wednesday, February 12, 2003, at 4:16 PM PT



At some point during its 14-year run, The Simpsons turned into one of the best sitcoms on television—and that's not a compliment. At one time, to call The Simpsons the best show on Fox would have been a vast understatement; to say it was the best sitcom on television would have been inadequate; and to describe it as the greatest TV show in history would (and still does) minimize its importance by limiting its cultural impact to the small screen. Who knows when it happened—maybe it was when Homer visited the leprechaun jockeys in Season 11, or when he was raped by a panda in Season 12—but for several years, watching The Simpsons chase Ozzie & Harriet's record for the longest-running sitcom has been like watching the late-career Pete Rose: There's still greatness there, and you get to see a home run now and then, but mostly it's a halo of reflected glory.

The hype surrounding this Sunday's 300th Simpsons episode (actually the 302nd because Fox isn't counting two holiday "specials") has underscored the show's decline. To celebrate the milestone, Entertainment Weekly picked the top <a href="http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary ... 0.html">25 episodes</a> in Simpsons history: Twenty-four of them come from 1997 or before, meaning that only one comes from the past five seasons (which, not coincidentally, is the time period from which EW selected its "Worst Episode Ever"). Similarly, USA Today published a top-10 list written by the fan who runs the best Simpsons site on the Web. He picked nine shows from 1993 and before, and the other was from 1997. The newspaper also asked Simpsons staff members to select their 15 favorite moments and episodes, and only one person (Al Jean, the show's executive producer) chose something that happened within the past five years. Even as fans, critics, and staff members rejoice in the show's amazing longevity, they all agree: The past five or six seasons just haven't been up to snuff.


Who's to blame for this state of events? Some of the die-hard fans who populate the news group alt.tv.simpsons have settled on a "lone gunman" theory—that one man single-handedly brought down TV's Camelot. One problem: They don't agree on who's hiding in the book depository. Many fans finger Mike Scully, who served as executive producer for Seasons 9 through 12 (generally considered the show's nadir). Others target writer Ian Maxtone-Graham. Scully and Maxtone-Graham, both of whom joined the show after it had already been on the air for several seasons, are cited as evidence that The Simpsons lost touch with what made it popular in the beginning—Matt Groening's and James L. Brooks' conception of an animated TV family that was more realistic than the live-action Huxtables and Keatons and Seavers who populated 1980s television. Unlike other TV families, for example, the Simpsons would go to church, have money problems, and watch television.

But under Scully's tenure, The Simpsons became, well, a cartoon. In A.O. Scott's Slate "Assessment" of Matt Groening, he wrote that Groening is "committed to using cartoons as a way of addressing reality." But in recent years, The Simpsons has become an inversion of this. The show now uses reality as a way of addressing itself, a cartoon. This past Sunday's episode featured funny references to Spongebob Squarepants, the WNBA, Ken Burns, Tony Soprano, and Fox programming, but the Simpsons themselves, and the rest of the Springfield populace, have become empty vessels for one-liners and sight gags, just like the characters who inhabit other sitcoms. (Think Chandler Bing.)

The Simpsons no longer marks the elevation of the sitcom formula to its highest form. These days it's closer to It's Garry Shandling's Show—a very good, self-conscious parody of a sitcom (and itself). Episodes that once would have ended with Homer and Marge bicycling into the sunset (perhaps while Bart gagged in the background) now end with Homer blowing a tranquilizer dart into Marge's neck. The show's still funny, but it hasn't been touching in years. Writer Mike Reiss admitted as much to the New York Times Magazine, conceding that "much of the humanity has leached out of the show over the years. … It hurts to watch it, even if I helped do it."

But can you blame one person for it? It would be nice to finger Maxtone-Graham, who gave a jaw-dropping interview to London's Independent in 1998. In it, he admitted to hardly ever watching The Simpsons before he joined the staff in 1995, to brazenly flouting Groening's rules for the show (including saying he "loved" an episode that Groening had his name removed from), and to open disdain for fans, saying, "Go figure! That's why they're on the Internet and we're writing the show." But just because Maxtone-Graham is a jerk (or at the very least, shows colossally bad judgment in front of an interviewer) doesn't mean he's a bad writer. On top of that, a show like The Simpsons is the product of so many creative individuals that it's difficult to blame one person—even Scully, the onetime executive producer—for anything.

So, instead, there are a few conspiracy theories for the show's not-quite demise. Perhaps the problem is too many cooks, as staff legend George Meyer implied to MSNBC.com: "We have more writers now," Meyer said. "In the early days, I think, more of the show, more of the episode was already in the first draft of the script. Now there's more room-writing that goes on, and so I think there's been a kind of homogenization of the scripts. … Certainly, the shows are more jokey than they used to be. But I think they also lack the individual flavor that they had in the early years." Another theory lays the blame on the show's many celebrity guest stars, which have made the show resemble those old Scooby Doo episodes where Sandy Duncan, or Tim Conway and Don Knotts, would show up just for the heck of it. Still others think the problem is the show's brain drain: Long-absent individuals include creators Groening and Brooks, actor Phil Hartman, and writers Al Jean and Mike Reiss (who both left briefly to do The Critic), Greg Daniels (still doing King of the Hill), and Conan O'Brien (who has been linked to the show's decline so many times that Groening once called the theory "one of the most annoying nut posts" on the Internet).

But maybe no one, not even a group of people, can be held responsible. Simpsons determinists lay the blame on unstoppable, abstract forces like time. The show's writers and producers often subscribe to this line when they publicly abase themselves for not living up to the show's high standards. Maxtone-Graham told the Independent, "I think we should pack it in soon and I think we will—we're running out of ideas," and Meyer admitted to MSNBC.com, "We're starting to see some glimmers of the end. … It's certainly getting harder to come up with stories, no question."

An incredible anxiety of influence hovers over Simpsons writers, who realize that they are judged not by the standards of network television, but by the standards of their own show's golden age. By the end of his tenure as executive producer, Scully was making nervous statements to the press like, "Basically, my goal is just not to wreck the show" and, "Yeah, we don't want to be the guys that, you know, sank the ship." Maybe The Simpsons is killing The Simpsons by setting expectations too high. After all, even while you're wincing or groaning at a particularly lame gag, you're hoping that the show will stay on the air longer than Gunsmoke. It's hard to imagine television without The Simpsons. If it sticks around for another 300 episodes, maybe, someday, the wound of the past few seasons will be remembered like the one Maggie administered to Mr. Burns: an accident, and not a fatal one.


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 #53441  by Flip
 Mon Feb 17, 2003 3:09 am
<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>Yeah i read that one, too : / and while i agree that maybe the later seasons werent the most 'memorable', i do think think they have been the funniest, so go figure.</div>
 #53443  by Julius Seeker
 Mon Feb 17, 2003 11:16 am
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Then again, I think some of the very latest episodes have been good, and will probably reach the ranks of being 'memorable' someday.</div>

 #53446  by Lox
 Mon Feb 17, 2003 1:16 pm
<div style='font: bold 9pt ; text-align: left; '>That's what I think. I think every season has been really good but I obviously haven't been exposed to the newer ones nearly as much as the older ones. Some of my personal faves came in the last 5 seasons or so.</div>

 #53448  by Manshoon
 Mon Feb 17, 2003 2:51 pm
<div style='font: 14pt "Times New Roman"; text-align: left; '>On another note, did anyone catch the voice actors on Bravo last week? I thought that was really cool, seeing them all on stage at once and getting to hear them spout classic lines.</div>

 #53450  by ManaMan
 Mon Feb 17, 2003 3:02 pm
<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>I really think they should pull a Seinfeld with the Simpsons...</div>

 #53452  by Lox
 Mon Feb 17, 2003 3:18 pm
<div style='font: bold 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I saw that. It was great.</div>

 #53453  by Zeus
 Mon Feb 17, 2003 4:24 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>My sentiments excactly. Yesterday's 300th episode wasn't very good</div>

 #53457  by Lox
 Mon Feb 17, 2003 4:42 pm
<div style='font: bold 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I thought it was funny. But of course, a normal person disagreeing with Zeus over a TV show or movie-unheard of! :)</div>

 #53458  by Tessian
 Mon Feb 17, 2003 4:54 pm
<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>I liked it except I thought the ending was weak and kinda sudden</div>

 #53460  by Kupek
 Mon Feb 17, 2003 6:11 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>It was funny and I liked it, but it wasn't spectacular.</div>

 #53462  by Julius Seeker
 Mon Feb 17, 2003 11:29 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>That Sienfeld ending was great. Essentially everyone in the town just came back and told the clique how much they hated them, there was not even a bit of love, it was all sweet revenge =P</div>

 #53465  by Zeus
 Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:10 am
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>And it pales in comparison to the old, classic Simpsons. It's not that it's atrocious now, it's just brutal when compared to what it used to be. Now it's just "meh"</div>

 #53466  by Gentz
 Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:14 am
<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>It's too late for that.</div>

 #53467  by Gentz
 Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:15 am
<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I'm still trying to find some way to agree with this article without agreeing with Zeus... : )</div>

 #53468  by G-man Joe
 Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:45 am
<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>I hear it all the time. =8^)</div>

 #53470  by Gentz
 Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:39 am
<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>And that so-called "biggest fan" who made that so-called "10 best episodes list" is such a so-called "pompous, imbecilic ass" that it makes me want to so-called "shit myself."</div>

 #53474  by Zeus
 Tue Feb 18, 2003 9:19 am
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>You see, the difference is, there are so many of you guys who know at least as much (if not MUCH more) than me about the Simpsons, so you can critique it properly. Hence, you agree with me. When it comes to normal TV and movies, ya'll can't compare :-D</div>

 #53478  by Lox
 Tue Feb 18, 2003 11:05 am
<div style='font: bold 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I know a shitload about the Simpsons. I scare regular folk who think I'm a freak for knowing a lot and I disagree with you because you suck! :)</div>

 #53479  by Lox
 Tue Feb 18, 2003 11:07 am
<div style='font: bold 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I know...I agree that, on average, the newer seasons haven't been as good, but they are still great and fun to watch, imo. Plus, some of my favorite episodes are from the newer seasons. What does everyone here consider the BEST seasons. I think 5-7 were.</div>

 #53481  by Tessian
 Tue Feb 18, 2003 11:30 am
<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>how old are you talking about? The first 3-4 seasons or so weren't that good at all; shallow story, less outright jokes and comedy, and no current events fun making</div>

 #53495  by Zeus
 Tue Feb 18, 2003 8:45 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>My favs range from about 4-7, but there was some great ones in 2 and 3 as well. The bad ones have basically been the double digit seasons. I mean, they not brutal, they're just there, a pale comparison of what the show used to be</div>

 #53501  by Gentz
 Tue Feb 18, 2003 9:24 pm
<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>They're definitely still funny as hell...they just don't stand up to the other episodes</div>