Metal fans, check out these two songs.

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>They're by <a href=http://www.darkesthour.cc/>Darkest Hour</a>, a metal/hardcore band from Virginia. The band's music has some faults: the singer sounds like he's gargling gravel, and sometimes they lose their beat, but if you can get over that, they produce some excellent material. These two songs are two of the best from their new album. Seriously, check them out. This band is one of the reasons I'm initially dissapointed with the new Metallica album - melody. Darkest Hour is heavy but with melody, which it seems Metallica has lost.

<a href=http://www.filebox.vt.edu/users/scschne ... ses.mp3</a>, 9.22 MB
<a href=http://www.filebox.vt.edu/users/scschne ... Lie.mp3</a>, 5.47 MB</div>

[Torgo]

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Good find. The singer sounds like he could use some Primatene Mist, though.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>They're from my area, and play down in Blacksburg, Virginia all the time. There's an instrumental from their new album that's excellent, but I don't have space for it plus the other two.</div>

[Torgo]

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Instrumental? You just said the magic word, my friend. What's it called, and do they have any others?</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Sound like a typical white power skinhead band from the southern US. Cheesy as hell, screaming instead of singing, and playing a droning beat that sounds like Metallica before they could play (and falls very short of it at that). They're absolute shit. Maybe skinheads will like it.</div>

[G-man Joe]

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>You are a dumb ass. You also like fake wrestling. Skinheads like fake wrestling too.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Listen to the song fart boy.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Yeah, white power music is huge in the metal/hardcore/punk scene...</div>

[Eric]

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Oui, Seek give it a rest, you know you don't care one way or the other so stop harrassing Kupek, it's making you look bad, not that you really care about that either.</div>

[ManaMan]

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>How many white-power skinhead bands have you heard? Here's my opinion: The lead singer sounds like he's barfing/crying/screaming at the same time, but I know that's the "crusty" style. The music is pretty good but there's a little too much cheezy metal riffing going on.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Umm, hardcore isn't a specific music genre and when people talk about hardcore in reference to music, they're usually refering to hardcore rap. That band certainly isn't hardcore rap or punk. But yeah, that kind of metal is all that those Skinhead gangs in Southern California ever listen to.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Or hardcore electronica, or hardcore punk, or hardcore metal, or hardcore ska (skacore), etc., etc., etc.</div>

[Mr.Person]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Just like feminine guys like TATU.</div>

[ManaMan]

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Seriously, your whole argument is based on the type of music you heard in American History X.... get real.</div>

[ManaMan]

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Seriously, your whole argument is based on the type of music that the movie "Amiercan History X" told you that skinheads like... admit it.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>There is a genre of music known simply as "hardcore," and yes this band is a part of that.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Nope, femminin guys listen to Smashing Pumpkins and Radiohead.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.fatbilly.co.uk/m/about.asp"> ... out.asp</a>

I looked it up, there is a genre of music called hardcore, but it refers to Rave and hip hop</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>and Goth music, a lot of Marilyn Manson fans wear make-up and crap.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=U ... +Search</a>

No one has a trademark on the term. Look around.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>How does this help your argument?</div>

[Mr.Person]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Yeah, some of the hulking brutes that I see who listen to Marilyn Manson are feminine. On the other hand, all the guys on American Idol are fucking femine and they seem to gravitate towards teen pop like TATU.</div>

[Mr.Person]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Kiss fucking wore makeup. The New York Dolls wore makeup. Twisted Sister wore makeup. You are a fucking moron if you think those 3 bands(and I'm not a fan of Twisted Sister) are "feminine", they played harder shit than you'll ever hear.</div>

[Mr.Person]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Simply put, you're saying that the genre of music known as "hardcore" (not hardcore punk or metal) refers only to hip hop and rave music. Kupek rebutted your statement. I'm also pretty sure you know jack shit about the bands Black Flag or Bad Brains or we wouldn't be having this argument.</div>

[Mr.Person]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>True..., but the femmies who listen to Radiohead and SP maintain at least some semblance of manhood. The femmies who listen to TATU on the otherhand, hang out at the Bird Cage.</div>

[Mr.Person]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>True..., but the femmies who listen to Radiohead and SP maintain at least some semblance of manhood. The femmies who listen to TATU on the otherhand, work at the Bird Cage.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>If Tatu were Goth/Industrial, then perhaps.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Yeah, because "hulking brutes" who wear make-up like your prison buddy Bubba are definetly not femminine right?</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Calm down, don't take a temper tantrum. Who else listens to that 80's shit besides flamers? You're deffinetly not helping your position here by bringing up Kiss and Twisted Sister.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Black Flag sounds like a really shitty punk assed version of Nirvana. Also my argument is "hardcore isn't a specific music genre and when people talk about hardcore in reference to music" because Kupek said there was a specific genre called "Hardcore"</div>

[G-man Joe]

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>You sound like an over-compensating closet queen. What's with your fixation with calling everyone else gay?</div>

[Lox]

<div style='font: bold 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Yeah...cuz listening to Tatu is sooo much more masculine than listening to Kiss. (note the sarcasm, please)</div>

[Mr.Person]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>In any case, the term hardcore was first used in the early 80s to describe really hard punk music. From there hardcore evolved to speed metal. The term hardcore referring to rap, only came about in the late 80's/early 90s.</div>

[Mr.Person]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>What are you talking about? If you think Radiohead & SP = Goth/industrial music, you're way off.</div>

[Mr.Person]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>What are you talking about? If you think Radiohead & SP = Goth/industrial music, you're way off. In any case, I've never heard of the stereotype that gay men like goth/industrial music.</div>

[Mr.Person]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>If that situation was true, then my buddy Bubba would not be feminine. He might be gay, but he would still be a pretty masculine fellow.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>There can be multiple genres that call themselves simply "hardcore." But that doesn't change the fact that the one in particular I was referring to is called "hardcore."</div>

[Mr.Person]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Kurt Cobain said(I believe) that all he ever wanted to do was write Pixies cover songs :). In any case, if you say Black Flag sounds like a shitty ass Nirvana, it's just as off as calling Radiohead a goth band.</div>

[Mr.Person]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Kurt Cobain said(I believe) that he was petrified that the Pixies would sue him over "Smells like Teen Spirit".:) Not really relevant to the conversation at hand, but a fun tidbit. In any case, if you say Black Flag sounds like a shitty ass Nirvana, it's just as off as calling Radiohead a goth band.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I don't know how in hell you got out of my last message that I said Radiohead and Smashing Pumpkins were Goth. Stop eating paint chips and perhaps you'll stop being such a retard.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Speak for yourself and your fixation on Ishamael. I just call it how I see it, faggot.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I guess I can't argue, you know best.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I don't recall ever calling Radiohead a Goth band. You sure you're alright in the head? And Black Flag still blows.</div>

[Mr.Person]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Umm.., then why make the goth/industrial comment? I have to mean geez, c'mon you went down that line with SP/Radiohead being femmies. Considering you think TATU/ Femmie don't mix, I fully expect that you would go down just as stupid as line Radiohead/SP = goth.</div>

[Mr.Person]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Are you alright in the head? A musical elitist who likes mass produced crap like TATU, Nelly, among other crap? Ick..., if you're going to be elitist at least choose better groups</div>

[Mr.Person]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Are you alright in the head? A musical elitist who likes generic mass produced crap like TATU, Nelly, among other crap? Ick..., if you're going to be elitist at least choose better artists.</div>

[Mr.Person]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>It's called common sense. I think you might have it somewhere deep in your brain, hiding right next to the "on" switch.</div>

[Mr.Person]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Umm.., then why make the goth/industrial comment? I have to mean geez, c'mon you went down that road with SP/Radiohead being femmies. Considering you think TATU/ Femmie don't mix, I fully expect that you would go down just as crooked a road as Radiohead/SP = goth.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>It's not my fault that you were stupid enough to assume that.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>It's common sense that Bubba raping your ass in prison is a "pretty masculine fellow", no, I think you picked that up from experience.</div>