"Ordinary humans who discover the robots, scientists who tinker with That What Must Not Be Tinkered With, and cool soldier-types teaming up with our new Autobot friends." Need I say more?

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>"Ordinary humans who discover the robots, scientists who tinker with That What Must Not Be Tinkered With, and cool soldier-types teaming up with our new Autobot friends." Need I say more?</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I don't get it.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>There are three things in that sentence. Which one of those actually occurred in the show? Which ones of those do you think would fit in the Transformers world you knew from the show? How close do you think the movie will be to the show with those elements?</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Actually, there were a couple of Transformers origin stories. I think in one, they crash landed on Earth in the dinosaur era,but were basically knocked out until the '80's. ;) So it does kinda line up....</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>So, they slept for 65 million years instead of 4?</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Yep.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Looks like I'll have to be a bit more direct: if they slept 65 million years instead of 4, how in the world does that allow the discovery of the robots by humans, allow the "scientists that tinker", and the military to team up with them? :-I</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://Transformer comic and cartoon origin...">Here's a page explaining the two origins. But the main difference between the movie vs the comic/cartoon is that in the comic/cartoon seismic activity woke them up. In the movie, assuming nothing changes, humans wake them up...</a>

Here's a page explaining the two origins. But the main difference between the movie vs the comic/cartoon is that in the comic/cartoon seismic activity woke them up after millions of years and they were repaired by the ship. In the movie, assuming nothing changes in the script, humans wake them up after millions of years and repair the transformers themselves. So it's not exactly the same, but I'm not going to pick up the pitch fork and torch yet.

Also, according to this link, the slept for 4 million years, not 65 million, but that's just extra minor detail.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Didn't I say 4 million above? That's not the point, the point is, why in the world would you want to make certain changes? I can live with the fact that humans wake them up as long as everything else at least respects the cartoon, but teaming with the military and "scientists that tinker" I can't</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>The point is they slept during pre-human times and were woken up during human times. But yes, if I were an anal up and coming archaelogist, I would have been more careful of flailing around that "dinasaur era" designation so loosely. I didn't realize you'd be so quick to associate a hard number with it and subsequently grant that number such importance that it automatically destroys the movie adaptation of the franchise. :)

And Transformers teaming up with the military isn't *that* unusual given the GI-Joe/Transformers crossovers, in both the comic and cartoon. Those worked out pretty well, I thought. The IGN interview didn't reveal the exact nature of the how the military teamup would work, so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

As for the scientists "tinkering with what shouldn't be tinkered" part, I'm thinking that may mean they wake up a Decepticon first, since I think those were the ones who were wakened first in the series. And if you know anything about the Decepticons, we know it's best to let 'em sleep. ;)</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Dear Lord. Ok, what do you think is gonna happen if they put the Autobots with the military? Well, first of all, there's some forced formula (see my bitching about that above). Why the hell do we need an overly increased human presence in the film by making them a significant part of the fighting?</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>LOL! They've really gotten to you with this. Well, I think there's a 90% chance they'll screw it up. I'm pretty much expecting them to screw it up, but I just don't see the plot point as being inherently bad. I can *imagine* it working, but I fully expect them to screw it up.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>What gets me more than anything is when they take something that has gained a strong following for a reason then destroy every semblence of it in order to "make a better movie". This is what destroyed most comic book movies in the past and they've only recently started to get it.Games'll take longer</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>What is the logical reason for the transformers to exist that won't sound silly to the adult audience the movie will probably be catering to?</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>I don't know if they'll be catering to adults as in your mom and dad. I think they'll cater to teens and young adults, in which case they won't have to try very hard. Any old explanation will do, including the original from the comics and cartoon.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>The description is vague, it could fit in perfectly with the original story.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Obviously you're not a big Transformers fan. None of those would fit without butchering the original</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>If they change the story, big deal. After all, they changed the story of Spiderman quite a bit. How about Captain America being played by a Samoan?</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>The Spiderman films were very much an homage to old Spidey, particularly the first film. They didn't change what Spiderman was, which is what those changes to Transfomers will do</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>It hasn't even started pre-production yet. Just wait and see.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm still gonna see it, even if it looks like it's gonna suck the biggest donkey cock in recorded history. And I still hold out hope, but the way the producer and the screenwriter are talking, my hope is quickly fading</div>

[Eric]

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Are you referring to the show that came on 15 years ago, or the show that was coming on recently where you gotta catch all the minicons, a la Pokemon? I mean really.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Oh fuck no, I mean the only good Transformers, the original. None of this Armada or Energon bullshit</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>And thus, my point is made</div>