34 eps into Full Metal Alchemist now. I very much like it, although it gets a little too childish on occasion (see Major Armstrong). But a very cool premise. It has picked up a lot since Sensi Izumi showed up :-)

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>34 eps into Full Metal Alchemist now. I very much like it, although it gets a little too childish on occasion (see Major Armstrong). But a very cool premise. It has picked up a lot since Sensi Izumi showed up :-)</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>That, of course, would be "Sensei" Izumi :-)</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Ep 34? Way past me. Cool show and the premise is pretty neat if slightly rehashed from stuff like Witch Hunter Robin. It has a permanent spot on my Season Pass...BTW, ever watch the Venture Bros?</div>

[Eric]

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Fansub, gotta love it.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Venture Bros is badass! One of the best new non-animes on Adult Swim.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Well, 40 now. I get the feeling they're dragging their feet just a little getting to the climax, but it's nothing like Naruto or Dragonbore Z with their multi-ep fights. There's definetely something to be said for series' with a definete life</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Ok, if you're going to be a fan of Naruto you should at least give Dragonball its due. Naruto wouldn't be conceivable without Dragonball.</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Agreed. It does for Johnny Quest what The Tick did for superhero teams.</div>

[Eric]

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Seriously, Masashi Kishimoto(Naruto's creator) said DBZ was his favorite manga of all time. Naruto is heavily inspired by DBZ.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>True, but that doesn't mean that Dragonbore was good, just that a lot of delusional people liked it. Even delusional people can hit the jackpot on occasion :-)</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Bullshit! I'm sick of people trying to diss DBZ without the least bit of perspective. It's the Thriller of anime, for God's sake.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>My dissing has always been a little tongue-in-cheek. It started as a disagreement that I've had fun with over the years, mostly with Eric and Ish. As for my real opinion, I watched a few eps and found it boring and childish, but I never discounted its importance. Same with FF7....</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I just don't appreciate fools disrespecting Toriyama-san. Reckanize : )</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I think his show sucks, but he doesn't. Good enough? :-)</div>

[Torgo]

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>I like Toriyama, and I respect Dragon Ball's importance, but</div>

[Torgo]

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>I like Toriyama, and I knowDragon Ball's importance, but I also find a lot of flaws with the show.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>You really can't watch just a few episodes. It's one of those things that you have to sorta get hooked on in order to get hooked on. Like Naruto, character development is very important in DBZ.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>But even during the first ep of Naruto, you can see that there's a little more than fluff to the show. Of the couple of eps I watched and the millions of 2 minutes clips, I never once saw anything that warranted a second look</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>That's exactly my point. You could probably find a lot of "flaws" with Robotech, or Lupin III, or the first issues of Spiderman as well. Here in the West we don't always get anime in the same timeframe as it was originally developed, and it annoys me when people try to directly compare those shows to newer shows to talk about how the older show sucks (especially when the newer show happens to be heavily influenced by the older). It'd be easy to talk about how stupid Lupin III is in comparison to, say, Cowboy Bebop, but it would be idiotic to do so. Cowboy Bebop has a few decades worth of superior equipment to work with, not to mention a few decades worth of new manga/anime to build from <I>including</i> the Lupin series itself.</div>

[Don]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Dragonball is the best selling manga of all time, by a large margin too over 2nd place especially consider the 2nd place has like 110+ volumes.</div>

[Torgo]

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>I'm not comparing DB to any other anime, and I'm not knocking it because it's old. My main beef with it is that it went on for so long without evolving all that much. I don't hate it, but extended fight sequences do get repetitive after a while if they're done the same way most of the time.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>I did not like the first 5-6 episodes of Naruto. I only continued watching them because I heard that the series was good.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>I disagree that it wasn't evolved. You can compare the fights in the Buu saga and the ones in Frieza, and it seems like Frieza's were stretched out far beyond what they should have been, especially the end battle.</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I mean, I'm not against people not liking DBZ. In all honesty, I don't really even like it myself anymore. What I'm against is people playing it off as just another shoddily thrown-together kiddie show and not bothering to take any sort of consideration as to when and how the show came about and the influence it's had on anime today. It's fine to dislike things, but it's foolish to dislike something simply because you don't understand it.</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>The story did kinda stagnate after Frieza though. I heard Toriyama wanted to finish the series after Frieza but popular demand forced him to continue, so that might be why.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>The first ep is what hooked me, I wanted to see where they went with it. After 15 eps, it was addict time</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Same here. I just really liked the character designs a lot, so I kept watching.</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>The first few eps were really funny, but slow in terms of action. I just really liked the character designs a lot, so I kept watching.</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>I second Gentz. Don't mess around and catch an asswhoop. ;)</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>I actually think it evolved quite a bit...probably more than many real life dramas and sitcoms...</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Super Saiyan 3 Goku and fused Goku and Vegeta made up for the Buu saga somewhat. ;)</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>I thought the growth of Vegeta's character in both the Cell and Buu sagas were excellent.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>That's fairly obvious. It wasn't until the Team 7 vs Zabuze/Haku fight that it stopped being Narutoball Z</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Me too. It's real easy to dismiss all of DBZ as fluff (there's plenty to criticize on that front), but it delved into deeper territory on occasion (you'll can stop laughing now).</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Uhhh...that's where it started actually.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>*on the floor in the fetal position due to hysteria*</div>

[Torgo]

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>For the record, Vegeta is my favorite character. ...and Mr. Satan!</div>