Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

[ManaMan]

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Nothing Nice to Say.</div>

[Flip]

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>You're saying that there has been no situation in the past where a war was warranted for the good?

Instead of crying about it and rallying (since the government isnt going to listen to you anyways) why dont you be an American and support our troops. Do you think they, the troops, want to turn on the news and see nothing but protesters? How do think that makes them feel. With more moral maybe so many wont die.</div>

[Flip]

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>You're saying that there has been no situation in the past where a war was warranted for the good?

Instead of crying about it and rallying (since the government isnt going to listen to you anyways) why dont you be an American and support our troops. Do you think they, the troops, want to turn on the news and see nothing but protesters? How do think that makes them feel. With more moral maybe so many wont die.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Oh, please. "Protesting kills soldiers." It is possible to protest the war and support the troops - i.e., not want them to die. Don't create a false dichotomy.</div>

[ManaMan]

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>War begets war.... violence begets violence (ie: WW1)... unless you handle the aftermath correctly (ie: WW2) but Bush has already shown that he won't (ie: Afghanistan).</div>

[ManaMan]

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>I thought it was clever. :)</div>

[Flip]

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>its true, protests provide anti-morale. So you dont like the war, deal with it, its happening and ppl marching around like morons isnt doing anything positive.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>I think this war has proven at least one point: protesting about ANYTHING does...jack...shit!</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '><img src="http://cagle.slate.msn.com/news/WAR-USA ... hlefgr.gif">

This cartoon says it all...</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>You implied it KILLS soldiers. You also say, explicity, that whenever my government takes military action, I am obligated to support it. How is that democratic?</div>

[Tessian]

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>what did we do wrong about Afghanistan? And last I heard we still wanted the UN to rebuild Iraq</div>

[Tessian]

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>Sometimes you need to fight for peace. Sine's above post shows just that-- had we not done this Saddam would have continued his reign of terror (hate to use a cliche but it's true) and eventually use his chemical and perhaps later nuclear weapons</div>

[G-man Joe]

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Cowards.</div>

[Tessian]

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>well I can see how you can say how lowered morale can affect troop efficiency...but supporting this is nationalistic, not democratic.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>That statement never made sense. Compare to the situation on WWII. "Sometimes peace is another word for surrender."</div>

[Tessian]

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '><img src="http://www.bordergatewayprotocol.net/~j ... cebomb.jpg">

And you stole that from this stoner hippie Vietnam poster</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I'd say "exactly," but you see nothing wrong with nationalism. I am not nationalistic, but plenty of people who oppose the war are. There are veterans who oppose this war - are you going to question their patriotism?</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Nationalism is another form of discrimination and seperation.</div>

[Manshoon]

<div style='font: 14pt "Times New Roman"; text-align: left; '>Oh I don't know.....how about the fact that we've turned down Karzai's requests for more support and aid so Kabul is the only stable area?</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Afghanistan? Shit, we have a $80 billion dollar war to fight!</div>

[Tessian]

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>Veterans may be against the war but they still support their country and the troops over there-- nothing unpatriotic about that</div>

[Tessian]

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>discrimination? last I checked nationalism was your devotion and love for your country</div>

[ManaMan]

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Photoshop? Yeah. I wasn't trying to "steal" it from anybody, I just thought it was amusing.</div>

[ManaMan]

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Afghanistan? We basically blew our load and then left... the EXACT same mistake we made after Russia's conflict that allowed the Taliban to gain control of the country.</div>

[Zhuge Liang]

<div style='font: ; text-align: left; '>unless you're on the front lines, you haven't earned the right to call others cowards. That is unless you're as brave as Tessian who would willingly die for his country just so long as there isn't a chance of him actually dying...</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Before you support Flip's claim that people have an obligation to not protest the war. Now you are allowing it. Make up your mind.</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Well, if I were a picky a-hole, I could point out that the aftermath of WW2 is what put in place the foundation for the Cold War as well as the instability in Bosnia..ok, so I'm a pick asshole. So sue me. :)</div>

[Ishamael]

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Well, if I were a picky a-hole, I could point out that the aftermath of WW2 is what put in place the foundation for the Cold War as well as the instability in the Balkans..ok, so I'm  a pick asshole.  So sue me. :)</div>

[Flip]

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>If you want to change things, vote, then get other people to vote with you, then tell the guy you voted for what to do. Protesting at this point is doing nothing but causing inner country strife that inevitably spreads to the poeple fighting for us.

Freedom of speech is great, democracy is great. Democracy does not mean, however, that we all get what we want. This war is going to be fought, live with it, you win some and you lose some. I'm tired of all these people thinking they are doing something when all they are doing is getting in my face and bothering me and causeing traffic and making other people resent them.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search? ... sm&db=*</a>

Check again. Close, but not quite.</div>

[kali o.]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Ya, I agree....the right to protest is fundemental....but the whole purpose of such is to "publicize" one's concern...not block my fucking car.

I'm not stupid ya fucking hippies, I know their is a war in Iraq and I'd be at home watching the news if I wasn't already late for an appointment!

*smack*

Oh, and in case you missed that...I'm all for Non-Disruptive protests...they DO make a difference, from subtle to direct...


KO-</div>

[G-man Joe]

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Oh now I have to be on the front lines to call you a coward? Bull. You're a fucking coward. Why am I not there? Too old to join the military. But you're not too old to be a human shield for Iraq. Please go.</div>

[kali o.]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Coward for what? ....and quit it with the personal attacks.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Seriously. What's with you, G-man?</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Your are saying that people are obligated not to dissent. Sure, you can do it privately, just don't make a scene. I don't want to live in a society like that.</div>

[G-man Joe]

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Please. I'm tired of the "If you're for the Iraq war - Join the military!" or "You're not on the front lines" retort from some of you. I can't use a similar argument?</div>

[Tessian]

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>n 1: love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it.</div>

[Tessian]

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>I never said people shouldn't protest-- I think anti-war protestors are idiots but that doesn't mean I don't think they have a right to protest. Of course closing down major bridges/roads to protest is wrong though</div>

[ManaMan]

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Ahh... very true.</div>

[Eric]

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Didn't you start that shit by telling Seeker to go to Iraq and be a human shield in Rum?</div>

[G-man Joe]

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Yeah and others are beginning to imply it.</div>

[G-man Joe]

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://resonatorsoft.org/tows/cgi-bin/r ... C4.html</a>

Actually.....</div>

[Tessian]

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>I make an honest point that my life as it is now does not allow for me to rationally drop everything and enlist and you try to insult me with it. My life decisions as of so far have not taken me towards a path of military service and the same is true for many of you as well. My point is that if I were needed on the front lines I would not refuse, throw a tantrum, or run to Canada-- I would go.

Fearing death gets you nowhere but stressed. Does worrying about it prolong your life? No, you spend your years subconsciously looking over your shoulder. Death will come for you when and where it chooses and no amount of fear will change that. Silly as it may sound my life has been changed a lot more by that New Jedi Order series of books than anything else. Read a few books about how the Yuuzhan Vong view death and pain and you'll start to change your belief and view on the issues as well. I already subconsciously worry and stress about too many things to add a fear of death to the list. All I wish is that I die for a cause/purpose</div>

[Zhuge Liang]

<div style='font: ; text-align: left; '>I apologize for the cheap shot.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>The first three are the most common definitions. For that one, patriotism is used.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Flip DID make that claim, and you were supporting him.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Very few people have a CONSTANT fear of death - such worries would interfere with our ability to live normal lives. Your claim, however, is strong enough that you say you won't fear death in a situation where your life is in jeopardy. Two different things.</div>