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  • Hehe, an animated easy-to-use site on the statistics in the war

  • Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.
Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.

 #7146  by SineSwiper
 Tue Apr 01, 2003 7:53 pm
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>664 civilians? My god!</div>

 #7149  by Tortolia
 Tue Apr 01, 2003 7:55 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Yes, because war is all fluffy and happy and full of rainbows and magical pixie dust raining from the sky. Oh, wait.</div>

 #7152  by Kupek
 Tue Apr 01, 2003 8:17 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Saying "That's war" does not mitigate civillian death. Everyone saw it coming - that doesn't change what is happening.</div>

 #7156  by SineSwiper
 Tue Apr 01, 2003 9:12 pm
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Tell that to the republican fuckheads who started this thing.</div>

 #7161  by Tessian
 Tue Apr 01, 2003 10:53 pm
<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>it's not accurate at all; NO ONE knows the number of civilian casualties in this or any war cause frankly no one bothers to count</div>

 #7167  by Kupek
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 12:23 am
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Exact numbers, no. Reasonable estimates, yes.</div>

 #7171  by Flip
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 1:28 am
<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>Of course!! Operation Freedon in Iraq, YEAAAA SUNSHINE!!!! *stupid fucking name*</div>

 #7172  by Flip
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 1:30 am
<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>think about it, thats not really a lot of people. My high school had roughly 3000 people (Tort should know) and if suddenly 700+ were missing i doubt i would even notice.</div>

 #7173  by Stephen
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 2:37 am
<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Millions of civillians died in WW II. Comparatively, this is pretty small potatoes.</div>

 #7179  by Kupek
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:51 am
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Wait. This is likely to go on for months, which might includes weeks of heavy bombing.</div>

 #7180  by G-man Joe
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:04 am
<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Though there will be civilian casualties, the precision.....WAIT A MINUTE! I said NO MORE WAR POSTS FROM ME!</div>

 #7183  by Tessian
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:32 am
<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>This site tries to be the most reliable...but their numbers include figures back before even January so even this isn't accurate in its estimate</div>

 #7184  by Tessian
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:33 am
<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.iraqbodycount.com">Casualties from a heavily biased source</a>

er, this site</div>

 #7186  by Tessian
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:34 am
<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>we're no longer carpet bombing cities anymore</div>

 #7189  by Tortolia
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 9:01 am
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Considering just how many munitions we're using, be happy that the number is so freaking low.</div>

 #7205  by Kupek
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 2:58 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Well, we have been bombing the no-fly zone for the past 12 or so years.</div>

 #7207  by Kupek
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 2:59 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I cut off your toe. Be happy I didn't take off your entire leg.</div>

 #7214  by Tessian
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 5:48 pm
<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>yeah but that was all UN sanctioned and jazz, I don't care about who we killed prior to declaring war. No one cared before the war that we were bombing them already</div>

 #7215  by Stephen
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 5:49 pm
<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>I don't deny that more civillians are likely to die in the future. But neither do I believe that the casualty numbers will approach anything near WW II levels.</div>

 #7218  by Kupek
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 5:54 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Yes, many people did.</div>

 #7219  by Kupek
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 5:55 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Nor do I. And while that can put things in perspective, civillians are still being killed.</div>

 #7228  by Tortolia
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:04 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I am, thanks.</div>

 #7231  by SineSwiper
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:16 pm
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Could be worse. He could have killed you and raped your g/f.</div>

 #7234  by Tortolia
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:19 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Thank you, Sine, you just made my point.</div>

 #7235  by Kupek
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:50 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>The point is that whatever restraint I have practiced is overwhelmed by the harm I have done.</div>

 #7238  by SineSwiper
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 11:01 pm
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>No, I was making Kupek's point. For everything, there is something worse, but there is also something better.</div>
 #7241  by Ganath
 Wed Apr 02, 2003 11:50 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>664 civilians falls far short of what one would normally expect of a war. There is no thankfulness that 664 civilians died, but there is thankfulness to be had that our war in Iraq hasn't lived up to expectations and resulted in far more civilian casulties.

There isn't going to be a war without civilian casulties, it's that simple. While you are right that any civilian casulties are horrible, you ask for the impossible.</div>

 #7244  by SineSwiper
 Thu Apr 03, 2003 2:28 am
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Not starting a war was impossible? Bullshit.</div>

 #7245  by Ganath
 Thu Apr 03, 2003 3:51 am
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Idiot, read what I post before you reply. I said waging a war without civilian casualties is impossible, I didn't say that we couldn't have avoided this war.</div>

 #7246  by Eric
 Thu Apr 03, 2003 5:38 am
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Fool! :P</div>

 #7249  by Kupek
 Thu Apr 03, 2003 9:38 am
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>His point is sound - the casualties could have been avoided.</div>

 #7274  by Ganath
 Thu Apr 03, 2003 6:38 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Of course it's sound, it just has nothing to do with what I was saying.</div>

 #7275  by Ganath
 Thu Apr 03, 2003 6:39 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Moron! :)</div>