salvia divinorum

[Nev]

sine, you're probably the one most likely to know anything about this...

has anyone ever used this psychoactive or know anything about it? it sounds kind of interesting. it's also legal in the u.s.

[Gentz]

My friend tried it and said it was awesome, but he's a little out there most of the time anyway. I've heard from others that it works, but it's not very enjoyable.

I haven't tried it myself, but my thoughts are that if you're not already an initiate to the church of psychotropia, it might be an intriguing...otherwise, may as well just go out and find some acid.

[Nev]

salvia is legal. not that i'm a safety whore, it's just usually no longer worth the trouble of going outside the law for me.

EDIT: sweet! my friend just told me he has some salvia...maybe i'll try it this weekend.

[Shellie]

Hrm, how easy is it to find? Our local herb shop might have it.

[Nev]

Hrm, how easy is it to find? Our local herb shop might have it.

i dunno! my friend says you can find it in most smoke shops, but i would bet it depends on the proprietor. it can be ordered easily online since it's legal.

[Blotus]

I only had a tiny amount of it mixed with some weed, but not enough to do anything. I've been trying to get my hands on some on and off for the last while.

[SineSwiper]

Hrm, how easy is it to find? Our local herb shop might have it.

Nope. Rob already asked. He had to get some from I think an Internet site... or maybe it was a Grateful Dead show or something. Anyway, you can get the stuff off the Internet pretty easily.

[Gentz]

salvia is legal. not that i'm a safety whore, it's just usually no longer worth the trouble of going outside the law for me.

The catch-22 is that if a drug is legal it's probably not very enjoyable; and if it a drug is enjoyable it will probably become illegal.

[Nev]

for you, gentz.

i like alcohol and tobacco plenty, personally! come to think of it, i like pot too...if i'm really being honest. but for me, pot is more addictive (that is, i tend to abuse it when i have it), so i'd rather stick with other stuff.

[Torgo]

Whatever floats your boat. I prefer the halfling's leaf, meself. As with anything, moderation is key.

Tell us how your experience with salvia divinorum goes.

[Gentz]

Well, alcohol is only legal because people refuse to live without it. And drugs that don't get you "fucked up" like tobacco and caffeine don't count.

[Nev]

why, now? i've gotten plenty fucked off caffeine and tobacco (fucked up is another story)

torg: what's halfling's leaf?

[Shellie]

for you, gentz.

i like alcohol and tobacco plenty, personally! come to think of it, i like pot too...if i'm really being honest. but for me, pot is more addictive (that is, i tend to abuse it when i have it), so i'd rather stick with other stuff.

Guess its different for everyone. I find myself more addicted to Xanax than anything else Ive ever done. I think maybe because it actually helps me relax though. I find myself wanting to take Xanax more often. Pot not as much, but when I do it..I go overboard.

[Nev]

i've never taken xanax. i had clonopin prescribed to me for awhile, but in general, i really like to be awake, so...

i dunno.

[Torgo]

torg: what's halfling's leaf?

Weed. It's how Saruman refers to the pipeweed that the Hobbits are so very fond of.

[Flip]

Weed. It's how Saruman refers to the pipeweed that the Hobbits are so very fond of.

I always figured they were just smoking real good tobacco.

Man, i'm so lame, i dont do anything, haha.

[Torgo]

It is just tobacco, according to the books. I just thought that the movies hinted a little more at the drug aspect to get a few laughs from the audience.

[Nev]

so i'm about to start the journey... (eating first though)

[SineSwiper]

The catch-22 is that if a drug is legal it's probably not very enjoyable; and if it a drug is enjoyable it will probably become illegal.

I think it's more a matter of something that's not hugely popular. It probably does get you high or whatever, but not insanely high, or to the point where it kills people. That and the fact that since it's not popular, not too many people know about it to try it, nor is there that many places to get it, etc.

Plant matter doesn't fuck you up as much as chemicals. MJ's in the higher range, but at the end of the day, you're still just down a few snack foods and a wasted day. (Then again, shrooms can still leave you with very strange possibilities/situations, but that's a fungus that grows on shit, sooo...)

[SineSwiper]

The catch-22 is that if a drug is legal it's probably not very enjoyable; and if it a drug is enjoyable it will probably become illegal.

I think it's more a matter of something that's not hugely popular. It probably does get you high or whatever, but not insanely high, or to the point where it kills people. That and the fact that since it's not popular, not too many people know about it to try it, nor is there that many places to get it, etc.

Plant matter doesn't fuck you up as much as chemicals. MJ's in the higher range, but at the end of the day, you're still just down a few snack foods and a wasted day. (Then again, shrooms can still leave you with very strange possibilities/situations, but that's a fungus that grows on shit, sooo...)

so i'm about to start the journey... (eating first though)

Let us know how it turns out.

[Nev]

it was odd. i didn't really notice anything the first time, and then i smoked it again right before i went to bed. it was mixed with tobacco, so maybe that mitigated the effects, kind of.

i had some vivid dreams, but not vivid enough for me to remember them...

well, i'll have to try it again. i did notice looking in the mirror though that my eyes looked sort of odd.

[Nev]

update:

i smoked some at home on my lunch break today with some st john's wort. i felt HELLA good for a few hours going back to work, then i was kind of tired, but overall it was a sweet experience, i'm going to smoke some more right now.

it was just kind of an energized, healthy feeling, if anyone wants descriptions. I felt very unafraid.

[Sephy]

Salvia is supposed to be smoked in a water pipe with a torch lighter, apparently it doesn't activate well unless heated VERY hot.

[Nev]

hum, i didn't know that. i may have to invest in a torch lighter.

[Nev]

whoa, MAN.

i came home today at lunch (needing more relaxation) and i smoked some more salvia and just for kicks i put in some saffron.

you all are welcome to disparage me for nuttiness at this point, i'm most definitely crazy, but as i read in a dilbert cartoon once "I'm one of the happy kinds!", and i'd much rather be happy than "sane" at this point in my life

anyway, i was tripping BALLS this afternoon. i had a hard time concentrating at work, but no more so than I have for the last week without the wacky salvia-backy combination, and i did get done what i needed to get done for the day. i really, truly, and honestly think i would have had a hard time concentrating in any regard, salvia or no, since i've had that problem lately anyway.

the main trippiness came in the fact that colors were just so goddamned vivid! i spent a good hour trying to get a color scheme right on my computer (trying out windows skinners, stuff like that) just because i was getting so much pleasure out of the colors and my background image. again, this is not good work practice i'm aware, but i've been doing this kind of wasting-time procrastination without the "drugs" too, and at my company as long as you're getting your shit done, that's all they care about.

constructive criticism is, as always, welcomed.

it's odd, though, because I understand salvia is supposed to wear off fairly quickly...and i was "tripping" for a good four or five hours.

so here goes saffron/salvia/tobacco combo number 2!

[SineSwiper]

I'm still not a fan of tripping while at work, especially since people like you and I have jobs too good to waste on stupid stuff like that.

[Torgo]

Sine's right, smoking at a job like yours isn't the smartest thing to do. It's good you're at least geting your shit done, but it's still better to separate the two.

BTW, are you smoking leaves or extract?

[Nev]

extract. i am getting the sense i should try to moderate a little. still, though, i really believe that i wouldn't have been any more productive without it. i've been going through some SHIT lately and believe it or not the entertainment value keeps me from going out of my skull...but i'll try to keep it to home, i suppose...

[Nev]

i think i'm on perma-tripballs. i'm at work today and colors are brighter than ever. i smoked a bunch of salvia last night, but nothing this morning.

[the Gray]

Jebus!

Just the thought of what would happen to me if I did anything like that while at work! Doesn't matter if it's legal/illegal. Alcohol is legal and I'd get fried if I came in after 6 beers to get a buzz.

Of course my situation is a little different. Small company, 8 employee's and the bosses are relatives. Plus, you have to look like you are extremely busy even if you've just busted your balls to get your work done in 1/2 the time.

Due to that, I often do all my work. Then I erase it and do it again. Twice the work, but there's nothing else to do if I finished it by 1 o'clock.

Yeah, I need a more challenging job...

Sorry for hijacking your thread, back to your legal whacky tabacky musings.

[Kupek]

Mental, I think that getting yourself high and then going to work is a big mistake. I don't buy that you're more productive. Programming is basically problem solving, and I just can't accept that your ability to think criticaly is not hindered by whatever you're on.

In general, I also don't think you're moderating well. I'm not familiar with the drug at all, but about once a day is probably overuse.

[Nev]

Mental, I think that getting yourself high and then going to work is a big mistake. I don't buy that you're more productive. Programming is basically problem solving, and I just can't accept that your ability to think criticaly is not hindered by whatever you're on.

In general, I also don't think you're moderating well. I'm not familiar with the drug at all, but about once a day is probably overuse.

opinion noted, weighed, but largely ignored, kup. like you said, you have no experience with the drug, and i'm finding more and more than experiential evidence is the strongest kind when it comes to a lot of things. i appreciate the help, if indeed that is the spirit it's meant in, but i do doubt that that is the spirit it's meant in, a little bit. I never said I was more productive. i only said that i don't think i was significantly less productive.

i thought the way you currently do for most of my life. however, i'm finding the more i go with the flow on a lot of things, the happier and more productive I am, and in general the flow of things seems to involve me doing a lot of salvia/other herbs right now, because it's making me hella happy and giving me some experiences i can't get any other way.

I'd like to ask, how can you give advice on something you know nothing about? i'm not saying you have no experience with drugs, but correct me if i'm wrong, i had you pegged somewhat as someone who generally didn't consume any substances.