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  • Nintendogs....perfect?

  • Because playing them is not enough, we have to bitch about them daily, too. We had a Gameplay forum, but it got replaced by GameFAQs.
Because playing them is not enough, we have to bitch about them daily, too. We had a Gameplay forum, but it got replaced by GameFAQs.
 #85971  by Zeus
 Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:11 am
According to Magicbox, Nintendogs received a perfect score of 40 from Famitsu. If you're not familiar with the magazine, they RARELY give perfects. I think they've only had a handful in their history (Ocarina and Soul Calibur 1 are a couple of them). That's HUGE over there. Man, the game sounds like a nice distraction, but perfect?

 #85977  by Lox
 Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:59 am
Sounds really fun. I'm a sucker for these open-ended kinds of games. :) I used to play my demo of Dogz and Oddballz all the time when I was younger. It seems like it has some really cool stuff like entering competitions and such.

Does it sound like a game that should get a perfect score? Well, I guess that depends how it's rated. If it's being judged against games with similar content and in the same genre, then it might very well deserve a perfect score. Compared to all other games, maybe not.

 #85979  by Julius Seeker
 Wed Apr 27, 2005 11:40 am
Famitsu grades them by certain criteria, and they are among the most difficult reviewers in the world. Games that get above 20 points are usually good, and above 30 are usually great. Ocarina of Time, Soul Calibur, Vagrant Story, are three games that received perfect scores. There were two more I think. They've been the top game magazine in Japan for about 15 years.

I have only heard of Nintendogs, so I can't even comment on it.

 #85991  by Julius Seeker
 Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:58 pm
I looked up a preview on it. Seems to be a strange open ended AI type game with a virtual pet and virtual world. The people down at IGN seem to be obsessed with it. I am a fan of simulations, but this one doesn't seem to appeal to me. I'll wait and see though, I might have got the wrong sort of impression from the short bit I read on it. I'll try to find the Famitsu full write-up translated.

 #85995  by M'k'n'zy
 Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:47 pm
I have to say Nintendogs looks like a lot of fun to me. Then again I am a TOTAL dog lover as is. I am defidently gonna check it out. I think it is really cool how they are implimenting the voice features into the game to teach the dogs tricks ^_^

 #85998  by Julius Seeker
 Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:23 pm
I wonder why a company doesn't make a virtual slave woman? Dress her in a maids outfit, feed her sometimes, slap her with the back of your hand when she's bad, give her flowers or chocolate when she is good. Same sort of idea, open ended AI. Then again, I'm a horrible person =)

Don't deny that something like that would sell though =P

 #85999  by Don
 Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:54 pm
Perfect scores are inherently bogus. If they are to mean a game is absolutely perfect, then the only game that can be perfect would be a Final Fantasy, because it is generally universally accepted that Square games have the best graphics. I have no idea how we're supposed to objectively figure out the best of anything else but a game obviously can't be perfect if it doesn't have the best graphics. So obviously the perfect score really means it's good enough that I think it warrants a perfect score despite its shortcomings. Given this criteria you can give any game a perfect score without any objective justification.

And being a hard reviewer doesn't mean anything either. In case it's not obvious there are very few games I even considered playable these days, so if I was to be a reviewer on a 1-40 scale you'd see very few even breaking a 20. On the other hand I think Fate/Stay Night is a perfect game even if the first 1/3rd is stupid and the last 1/3rd is garbage because the middle 1/3rd is just that good. It doesn't mean anything other than that I really like this game that you've never heard about. I'll go out on a limb and say that IGN or whatever random big US gaming magazine is probably as respected here relative to Famitsu in Japan and yet if they give a review you don't agree here in the US people are quick to say they are wrong or they suck.

Reviewing hard all too often just gets you into the trap of "I like this game and because no one else has ever played it it must mean I'm right because everyone else is too dumb." And I mean that in a relative sense. For example most people who have a DC probably did play Soul Calibur 1 even if the gaming populace on a whole did not, and Fate is the best selling Japanese computer game ever. Vagrant Story comes to mind as a good example of that, which is convenient since it got a 40 from Famitsu. For all its romantic dialogue and kind-of-cool gameplay, there's a very good reason why it didn't sell all that well (game was way too long for the amount of story it had). Now obviously the guys at Famitsu decided that putting a plot fit for a 6 hour game and stretch it to 20-30 wasn't bad enough to not give it a perfect score, but like I said before, there's no particular reason why they're right or wrong on this and certainly a lot of peopel do disagree as reflected by the sales.

And I guess in that sense, the perfect game has to be one that sells a lot, at least relative to the market it's in (for example, Soul Calibur). I've been thinking this for a while. A lot of people who played Terranigma think it's like the best action RPG that ever existed (including me), but if it's so good, why is it that Chrono Trigger is the game that racked up the sales even in Japan (CT is RPG, but the style of the two games are close enough to make the comparison IMO)? And if sales is an indiactor of quality, does that mean reviews only exists to reassure us that we're not really wrong for liking a game that nobody (relatively) bought?

 #86000  by Don
 Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:55 pm
Seeker, that game you described already exists. It's called Princess Maker by Gainax.

 #86042  by Zeus
 Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:04 am
M'k'n'zy wrote:I have to say Nintendogs looks like a lot of fun to me. Then again I am a TOTAL dog lover as is. I am defidently gonna check it out. I think it is really cool how they are implimenting the voice features into the game to teach the dogs tricks ^_^
I have an adorable puppy as well (10 1/2 year old, 100+ pound Sheppard :-).

The game sounds neat for sure, but man, 10/10 by 4 people?

 #86100  by Julius Seeker
 Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:00 am
Interesting, in Japan it seems the game is a huge system seller which has caused a massive surge in DS sales.

 #86172  by Oracle
 Sun May 01, 2005 4:45 pm
I'd pick it up just for something different

 #86384  by Julius Seeker
 Sun May 08, 2005 6:14 am
I'm actually most interested in how this sort of style of game can be implemented into future titles such as Zelda or Earthbound.

 #86393  by SineSwiper
 Sun May 08, 2005 10:38 am
Nintendogs...it's a cereal, WOW!

I dunno. Every time I'm trying to figure out how to pronounce it, that song clip pops in my head.