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  • Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.
Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.

 #88485  by Nev
 Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:04 pm
I could swear it's because I'm stoned, but I got a good chuckle out of that.

Seriously, though, is that for real?

 #88487  by Kupek
 Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:10 pm
Yes and no. They really submitted that paper, but it's a sham conference. It's the same conference mentioned in <a href=http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl? ... m=rss>this slashdot story</a>. The basic idea is that they set up a conference, send out a Call For Papers to everyone and their mother, accept every paper and get registration feeds.

 #88488  by Nev
 Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:12 pm
That sounds incredibly dodgy, if not outright illegal.

 #88489  by Nev
 Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:17 pm
Dear Lord, did you try the automatic paper generator mentioned in the article? Maybe it's just because I'm a programmer, but I thought the one it came up with for me was even funnier than the one you posted...LOL!

 #88491  by Kupek
 Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:21 pm
It's not illegal, but it is certainly dodgy. Publishing in a conference like that does nothing for your academic credentials. (As for legality, under what grounds would it be illegal? There are no laws that say a conference has to be academically sound and attendees are voluntarily parting with their money.)

 #88492  by Nev
 Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:29 pm
I'm not sure. The Federal Bullshit Protection Law, I guess. I just always thought publishing was a sign of respect in the professorial/research community. Besides, it seems almost like an extremely advanced form of plagiarism or just sheer academic dishonesty to me.

 #88494  by Kupek
 Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:39 pm
Mental wrote:I just always thought publishing was a sign of respect in the professorial/research community.
<i>Where</i> you publish is extremely important. Some journals and conferences have stricter reviewers than others.
Mental wrote:Besides, it seems almost like an extremely advanced form of plagiarism or just sheer academic dishonesty to me.
It's not plagiarism (no work is stolen), but it is certainly dishonest. However, there are no laws about academic honesty.

 #88496  by Nev
 Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:51 pm
I suppose that would be kind of hard to legislate.

 #88506  by Ishamael
 Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:27 am
Reminds of that math professor who put out the sham paper into some journal back in the mid '90s. He was the grandaddy of all of these. The sad thing about that one though is that people actively reveiwed his, so he's still the gold standard.

 #88513  by SineSwiper
 Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:27 am
I didn't really read the full post, and just started reading papers at first, until I hit the third one. I think the flowchart is the best part of that. There should have been some sort of math function that said something like:

<tt>. . . . (Me + Off)(Your - Fucking)
Get = ---------------------------------
. . . . . . . . . . . List
. . . . . . . .Mailing </tt>

Ish: They link to that guy, Alan Sokal, on the SCIgen page.

 #88519  by Kupek
 Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:00 am
SineSwiper wrote:I didn't really read the full post, and just started reading papers at first, until I hit the third one. I think the flowchart is the best part of that. There should have been some sort of math function that said something like:
Figure 1 almost destroyed me.

 #88520  by Kupek
 Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:07 am
Ishamael wrote:Reminds of that math professor who put out the sham paper into some journal back in the mid '90s. He was the grandaddy of all of these. The sad thing about that one though is that people actively reveiwed his, so he's still the gold standard.
I think that was a physics professor who sent a paper to a sociology journal, and he just made up gibberish relating quantum mechanics to social problems (or something like that). That situation was a little different. It was a real journal he submitted to. His point was to see if he could get garbage past the reviewers, and he did. I think these guys wanted to do two things: make fun of a sham conference, and get off their fucking mailing list.