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Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.
 #99063  by Kupek
 Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:44 am
This happend April 29 - over a month ago - and I kept forgetting to say something aobut it here. But, I just found out the results are online, so now's a good time to point it out.

Through the WKA (World Kickboxing Association), there was a Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu/Submission Grappling tournament in Richmond, Viriginia on April 29. I train in BJJ and Richmond is less than an hour away, so I had no excuse not to enter. Me and a couple of guys from my club participated.

Two weeks before the tournament I couldn't train at all; we had a paper deadline, and I just couldn't fit in any workouts. The week before (well, five days, really) the tournament I started training again, hoping to get in somewhat better shape. I didn't bother cutting any weight. I figured (correctly, as it turns out) that size and strength wouldn't be my problems. If I lost, it would be due to skill and stanima. I was hoping to have one good match. Anything more than that would be a bonus.

This was my first real competition. I chose to do no-gi (that it is, without a gi, which is really just submission grappling). I could have also done the gi tournament, but I figured I wouldn't have the stanima, and I was probably right.

I weighed in at 184 lbs., which put me in the 190 lbs. weight class. I could have cut some weight to drop down to the 180 lbs. weight class, but I figured size and strength wouldn't be a problem. I'm a strong guy for my size, and I didn't want to waste energy (and water) on cutting weight.

First match. I pop in my mouth guard, step on the mat, and I have one thing on my mind: be aggressive. I had no other thoughts. The match was a blur. I can remember it now, but I didn't process it when it happened, I just reacted. As soon as I tied up with the guy, I could feel he was in over his head. I ended up getting a leg and scoring a sloppy take down. I ended up in half guard and started working towards a sumission or better position. We had landed near the edge, so the ref stood us up in the center, which irritated me because I had a dominate position. But I told myself if I did it once, I can do it again. We tie up again, and he goes for a takedown. I pulled guard, which unbeknowst to him was probably the last place he wanted to be. He was in my guard less than five seconds before I shoved he shoulder back, popped my leg up and secured a triangle choke. It was in tight, I could feel he would have to tap soon, and he did.

I was tired after my first match. I have controlled the pace the entire time which was enough to overwhelm my opponent, but left tired. But, I was okay by my second, but not great.

Second match starts off similiarly. We tie up, and I could feel this guy at least knew how to do that much. We were working the clinch for a while when I heard my guys yelling at me to posture up and keep him under me, which I did. It paid off because I eventually pulled him to the mat, so he was on his knees. I immediately took his back, sunk my hooks in and grabbed his arms to splay him out. I then started working towards a rear-naked choke. The guy eventually turned all the way around and he ended up in my guard, which was unbeknownst to him, probalby the last place he wanted to be. After five seconds in my guard, I did the exact same thing I did to the other guy: I pushed his shoulder out of the way, shot my leg up and secured a triangle. I had it in tight and he tapped.

So I had won two more matches than I thought I would, but I was fucking exhausted. If they had called my third match immediately after my second, I probably would have forfitted. I was that tired. I could barely stand, I could barely drink my Gatorade, I could barely talk. I had succesfully pushed the pace in two matches, but it had taken almost all I had.

When I was called for my third match, I had enough in me to show up, but not as much as my previous two. As soon as I tied up with the guy, I could feel he knew what he was doing. This guy had been a wrestler. We spent a long time standing, jockey for position in the clinch, until I had one underhook and I tried for a sloppy hip throw. He caught me off balance and took me to the mat. I somehow replaced guard, but by this time I was exhausted. I had almsot nothing left. I don't remember too much at this point, but I know we worked for a while until he ended up in a position where he was grinding his skull into mine. I had no leverage and no strength. He wasn't doing a normal submission, but there was no way I could stop it, so I tapped.

So my third match didn't go well, but I ended up with 2nd place in my weight class in the Novice skill level. Take a look at the <a href=http://www.wkausa.com/news/east_coast_g ... results</a> online; do a search for "Scott Schneider" and you'll see me.

 #99065  by Julius Seeker
 Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:10 am
Awesome! Congratulations =)

A lot of people do not realize just how tiring this sort of thing can be. It is about as tiring as sprinting because you are constantly using muscles at full strength.

As far as the triangle choke goes, that is something I learned a long time ago in Judo to ALWAYS watch out for. It can put a guy to sleep in seconds.

 #99069  by Flip
 Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:08 am
I wrestled for 2 years in HS, so i know that exhausted feeling and I'm sure MMA takes even more out of you!

Great job on your placing, sounds like a lot of fun, you'll be addicted to live events like this!

 #99085  by Kupek
 Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:30 pm
Thanks, guys. It was a good day.

The triangle is probably my strongest submission. When I first started, I decided I should work on one thing, get good at it, and then branch out. So I worked almost exclusively on triangles, and because of that, I'm always on the lookout for it. Chokes in general, though, are my strongest: triangle, alligator roll and arm triangles are three I always go for.

Also, I should point out that these were not MMA matches, submission grappling only. No strikes allowed. Guys from our club have competed in MMA, and I train for MMA, but I've never gotten in the ring. They're undergrads, while I'm a PhD student. I don't feel like I can sacrifice the time to train as much as I would need to. Entering a submission grappling tournament knowing stanima is going to be a problem isn't a big deal. Entering an MMA fight knowing stanima is going to be a problem is dangerous.

 #99092  by Ishamael
 Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:43 pm
Nice. Congrats on coming in second! I always wonder - are there any guys who take this too far and start "real" fights at these competitions?

 #99094  by Kupek
 Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:03 pm
Ishamael wrote:Nice. Congrats on coming in second! I always wonder - are there any guys who take this too far and start "real" fights at these competitions?
No. You would have to be retarded to do that. People don't come alone, they come with the guys they train with. It would turn into a brawl right-quick, except everyone involved knows how to fight. And if you want to be in a real fight, just enter an MMA match.

Ever been to a gun range? People are super-nice to each other. Same principle.

 #99097  by Torgo
 Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:25 am
All right! Congratulations, Mr. Schneider.

 #99123  by Andrew, Killer Bee
 Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:08 pm
Fuckin' rock on, dude. Do you plan on competing again in future?

 #99128  by Sephy
 Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:22 pm
Awesome. I've been thinking about getting into muay thai or BJJ around here but I can't find a good or affordable place. Stupid Baltimore.

 #99199  by Ishamael
 Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:56 pm
Kupek wrote:
Ishamael wrote:Nice. Congrats on coming in second! I always wonder - are there any guys who take this too far and start "real" fights at these competitions?
No. You would have to be retarded to do that. People don't come alone, they come with the guys they train with. It would turn into a brawl right-quick, except everyone involved knows how to fight. And if you want to be in a real fight, just enter an MMA match.

Ever been to a gun range? People are super-nice to each other. Same principle.
Makes sense. With any sport though, you always have that 1% retarded part of the population that fails to realize that they are playing a game. With a physical sports like MMA and grapling, I guess people have a different mindset since they are so close to fighting to begin with.

 #99200  by Zhuge Liang3
 Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:03 am
Ishamael wrote: Makes sense. With any sport though, you always have that 1% retarded part of the population that fails to realize that they are playing a game. With a physical sports like MMA and grapling, I guess people have a different mindset since they are so close to fighting to begin with.
It's much more than 1%. But these jerk-offs usually aren't disciplined enough to get really good at the sport or art.

 #99201  by Julius Seeker
 Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:30 am
Zhuge Liang3 wrote:
Ishamael wrote: Makes sense. With any sport though, you always have that 1% retarded part of the population that fails to realize that they are playing a game. With a physical sports like MMA and grapling, I guess people have a different mindset since they are so close to fighting to begin with.
It's much more than 1%. But these jerk-offs usually aren't disciplined enough to get really good at the sport or art.
Tito Ortiz and Ken Shamrock?

 #99202  by Zhuge Liang3
 Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:40 am
The Seeker wrote:
Zhuge Liang3 wrote:
Ishamael wrote: Makes sense. With any sport though, you always have that 1% retarded part of the population that fails to realize that they are playing a game. With a physical sports like MMA and grapling, I guess people have a different mindset since they are so close to fighting to begin with.
It's much more than 1%. But these jerk-offs usually aren't disciplined enough to get really good at the sport or art.
Tito Ortiz and Ken Shamrock?
Different kind. They have egos sure, but they're not the kind of people I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about the type of person who doesn't understand the distinction between fighting and training, and as a result, everything is just fighting to them. And because of that, they reach their limit pretty fast. I'm sure Kupek knows what I'm talking about.

 #99271  by Kupek
 Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:00 pm
Zhuge Liang3 wrote:Different kind. They have egos sure, but they're not the kind of people I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about the type of person who doesn't understand the distinction between fighting and training, and as a result, everything is just fighting to them. And because of that, they reach their limit pretty fast. I'm sure Kupek knows what I'm talking about.
Actually, yeah. If you want to get better, you really have to check your ego at the door and not get down on yourself about losing. You learn far, far more when you roll with someone who you have a good chance of losing against. If you're scared of losing when you train, then you won't learn.

Andrew, I plan on continuing to train, so hopefully I will compete again too. I'm moving to a different town (my advisor was hired away by another school and I'm transferring with him), so I'll have to hook up with people there. I've heard there's an MMA school in the area, but I'm sad to leave the group of guys I've been training with.