Soooo, we all gonna set up a Diablo 3 clan?

[Flip]

I feel as if you would enjoy the game much more if Inferno never existed... that seems odd, but i think its true. If any game adds the brass ring you arent satisfied if you cant reach it immediately? Do you play all your games on the hardest difficulty offered?

Think of Inferno as the hardest difficulty setting. Also, i'm sure it will get easier and easier as the game gets older and the elite drops have more time to be populated into the game world. For a game that relies on random gear drops, it needs time to drop enough good stuff.

[Don]

Even Hell is hard to do without cheap tactics. The only reason you can brute force through Hell because AH has item from Inferno people obtained using cheap tricks that have now been nerfed. I mean, Hell is still within the doable range, but it's borderline on stupid.

Diablo game has always been about getting the best loot. That's literally the whole point of the game, so you can't just pretend Inferno isn't there, because the best loot drops there. In fact, if Inferno did not drop better loot and solely exist as some kind of challenge mode, most people might not even care, but it does drop the best loot.

[Oracle]

Barbarian his 60 last night and I finished off Hell difficulty.

I died in Hell difficulty.... a lot. Less so when solo, however. Don and I played one game for a few hours basically doing all of act II on Hell diff, and then the first quest or two in Act III. We came across a couple groups of champions (blue names) that massacred us a few times before we were able to bring them down. Molten and that energy chain have to be my two least favourite modifiers. At least with invulnerable minions you can still pound on their leader. Can't get near molten or energy chain guys without my HP dropping like a rock. I died on Diablo once on Hell diff just because I didn't have any life steal set up in my build. Swapped in the ability that does 3% life steal, and it was pretty easy after that.

My DPS @ level 59 = ~8200. With the new weapon I bought for level 60 (and some new armor), DPS = 19,000 lol. Goes up to about 24,000 with my shout. Weapon itself has a dps of 908.

Played for a few minutes on Inferno, but just did the opening quest (killing those witches). Haven't run into a pack of champions yet.

So yea, still liking the game, but it'll sure be interesting to see how far I'm able to get in Inferno.

[Don]

Life steal is nerfed to 20% in Inferno too. I really wish Blizzard tells you stuff like that which can really impact what you want to focus on. It seems like chill effects under 30% pretty much doesn't even bother Champion packs on Inferno (and a lot of fast regular enemies), and it's not just because they're fast, they simply don't get slowed won as much probably due to some kind of innate chill resistance.

The game is harder in a group than solo because stuff does more damage (+10% or so DPS per extra person) and have more HP. Basically you can't have something that does mega damage (say, Fire Chains) and a prevent escape ability (Jailer, Vortex, Waller) because nobody can possibly survive that. The 1000 DPS weapons you bought probably drop from Act3/4 Inferno, and Hell would be really tough without them let alone Inferno. Interesting enough, I don't think Act 4 would be that bad to farm. If everything already kills you in one hit, at least Act 4 has some relatively slow enemies (Oppressors/Armadons) and enemies with relatively easy to dodge attacks (Morlu legionnaire/incinerators). Things like Phasing Hulkbeasts or Soul Lashers are way more dangerous when they can kill you in one hit, and since you can't do worse than die in one hit this actually makes Act 4 easier.

[Zeus]

*sheepishly* My Barbarian hit level 28 last night......

[Flip]

Quietly up to lvl 44 Wiz, still in HC, myself. I think i'm ready for Act 3 NM.

[Flip]

A good blog post for the upcoming patch and beyond:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6018173 ... _2012#blog

[Shellie]

You're further than me Zeus, Im 26 I think(Monk). I'm still playing normal, since I'm mostly solo, I'm just mainly playing for story etc right now. You cant switch difficulty mid game can you? Normal has been ridiculously easy so far, Id like to play Nightmare...

[Flip]

You're further than me Zeus, Im 26 I think(Monk). I'm still playing normal, since I'm mostly solo, I'm just mainly playing for story etc right now. You cant switch difficulty mid game can you? Normal has been ridiculously easy so far, Id like to play Nightmare...

You have to beat Normal first to unlock Nightmare. After that its Hell then Inferno.

[Shellie]

I guess I better hurry up then!

[Shrinweck]

Another day of it being down more than up. In what world does it take over nine hours to deploy a minor patch?

[Zeus]

You're further than me Zeus, Im 26 I think(Monk). I'm still playing normal, since I'm mostly solo, I'm just mainly playing for story etc right now. You cant switch difficulty mid game can you? Normal has been ridiculously easy so far, Id like to play Nightmare...

I'm about half way through Act 3 on Normal. I'm not one to play the game 75 times through looking for super rare drops or anything so I MAY only play it one more time. But if you see me on, you're more than welcomed to join. I prefer playing with others

[Flip]

Another day of it being down more than up. In what world does it take over nine hours to deploy a minor patch?

I dont know. I must admit, its really hard to play a game nowadays with the computer only model, it allows for this maintenance and patching and downtime way too easily. No way in gods green earth would a console game, or even a steam game that is a console port, be down this much. We have had gen trading in the auction house for maybe 3 or 4 days and ever since it has been down, too. The game feels incomplete, but this is what Blizz does and are just about the only company that can get away with it.

Edit:: I cant even log in right now, error 37 servers are busy try again later... . . .. ..............!!!!!!

[Shrinweck]

What I can't believe is that they expect the Real Money AH to be plausible when accounts are so easily broken into. Tessian had his account broken into over the weekend and the only thing Blizzard can offer is a rollback so severe that it isn't worth it (I was able to replace all his items with decent rares for fairly cheap). If account security is so shoddy then I can't even see giving them the experimental $5 I was planning on giving them just to see how the thing worked, especially if some asshole can easily break into my account and take everything.

I haven't seen any evidence of the authenticator they offer being a sure thing as far as security goes, either. All I can say is I'm never playing in a public game again until this is completely ironed out. I'm not sure if it's session hijacking or what, but it just isn't worth it. Blizzard is remaining fairly mum on the subject offering only advice to use the authenticator. Big surprise. I've created what is probably either my most secure or second most secure password ever for this and it's mostly unique compared to my other passwords.. not that I imagine it'll help.

Edit: It has been possible to log in for the past half an hour but you just have to try 5-10 times before you get through.

[Flip]

Well, i decided to change my bnet password, too, to something totally I've never used before (via the online battle.net) and now D3 thinks i have the wrong credentials. Grrreat...

EDIT: it works now.

[Eric]

What I can't believe is that they expect the Real Money AH to be plausible when accounts are so easily broken into. Tessian had his account broken into over the weekend and the only thing Blizzard can offer is a rollback so severe that it isn't worth it (I was able to replace all his items with decent rares for fairly cheap). If account security is so shoddy then I can't even see giving them the experimental $5 I was planning on giving them just to see how the thing worked, especially if some asshole can easily break into my account and take everything.

I haven't seen any evidence of the authenticator they offer being a sure thing as far as security goes, either. All I can say is I'm never playing in a public game again until this is completely ironed out. I'm not sure if it's session hijacking or what, but it just isn't worth it. Blizzard is remaining fairly mum on the subject offering only advice to use the authenticator. Big surprise. I've created what is probably either my most secure or second most secure password ever for this and it's mostly unique compared to my other passwords.. not that I imagine it'll help.

Edit: It has been possible to log in for the past half an hour but you just have to try 5-10 times before you get through.

An authenticator is required to use the Real $ Auction House.

No D3 account with an authenticator has been hacked.

Authenticators are free on your phone, or cost $6 if you want one in keychain form.

Public games have nothing to do with it, this is a stupid internet rumor.

Blizzard games have a fuckton of people so they're easy targets for people to brute force passwords, if you're not outright being keylogged.

This has been going on for the past 7 years in WoW, you take the steps to secure your account or you don't. Nothing on the internet is secure.

[Don]

Actually it's because BNet uses your email as your account it's easy to figure out valid accounts to test the common passwords. Heck, they might have stolen it from you in another game before and you might reuse the same password.

Though if you don't use email for account it's pretty aggrevating to remember that your account is Phantron1289543.

Authenticators are not foolrpoof though usually most hackers can't be bothered to figure out how to break it when there are much easier targets to hit.

Brute force password is meaningless because presumably Blizzard doesn't allow you an arbitrary number of login attempts. Sure your computer can do a million or a zillion logins per second but it doesn't matter as long as Blizzard has no reason to let anybody attempt to login a million times a second. If there are bigger security holes like say the ability to bypass the login then having a strong password or an authenticator would be meaningless, and in that case everyone would've been hacked already anyway.

[Shrinweck]

What I can't believe is that they expect the Real Money AH to be plausible when accounts are so easily broken into. Tessian had his account broken into over the weekend and the only thing Blizzard can offer is a rollback so severe that it isn't worth it (I was able to replace all his items with decent rares for fairly cheap). If account security is so shoddy then I can't even see giving them the experimental $5 I was planning on giving them just to see how the thing worked, especially if some asshole can easily break into my account and take everything.

I haven't seen any evidence of the authenticator they offer being a sure thing as far as security goes, either. All I can say is I'm never playing in a public game again until this is completely ironed out. I'm not sure if it's session hijacking or what, but it just isn't worth it. Blizzard is remaining fairly mum on the subject offering only advice to use the authenticator. Big surprise. I've created what is probably either my most secure or second most secure password ever for this and it's mostly unique compared to my other passwords.. not that I imagine it'll help.

Edit: It has been possible to log in for the past half an hour but you just have to try 5-10 times before you get through.

An authenticator is required to use the Real $ Auction House.

No D3 account with an authenticator has been hacked.

Authenticators are free on your phone, or cost $6 if you want one in keychain form.

Public games have nothing to do with it, this is a stupid internet rumor.

Blizzard games have a fuckton of people so they're easy targets for people to brute force passwords, if you're not outright being keylogged.

This has been going on for the past 7 years in WoW, you take the steps to secure your account or you don't. Nothing on the internet is secure.

Seen no evidence (other than a quote that's over a week old) that a lot of this is the case and Blizzard providing absolutely no info other than "Use the authenticator" is useless to drawing conclusions. Tessian's account being compromised an hour (not sure of the duration, but the account was logged out of an hour after we played and he went to bed) after we left a public game suggests the possibility. Remember that Tessian works IT security as a living and almost certainly didn't have a brute force-able password and likely didn't have a keylogger. The evidence suggests that it isn't just idiots wandering onto gold selling websites and picking up a key logger or people with dumb ass passwords. There's something going on here and Blizzard isn't being much of a help about it.

But on another note.. Blizzard having general chat on as a default.. really? I needed the annoyance of barrens chat in a single player game?

Edit: Also I wish there was more of an indication that the authenticator would work on my iPod Touch. Everyone says "phones" but really they just mean Android and iPhones, which I do not own or care to own. I figured the authenticator was somehow tied into the actual phone function of the phone, but you really just need the OS and an Internet connection. In my defense, the fact that it would work on an iPod Touch wasn't offered until I clicked on "add mobile authenticator" at the b.net website.

[Don]

There are databases of passwords you used before for any other purpose and since your email probably doesn't change very often, you have to make sure you're using a password that hasn't been known/compromised at some previous time.

It's fairly inconceiveable to have a security risk so bad that just joining a game gets you compromised. Almost everyone would've their account hacked by now if it's that easy.

[Shrinweck]

Not suggesting some mystical script kiddie program where they join the game and get access to the password database of everyone in the game.

[Eric]

Seen no evidence (other than a quote that's over a week old) that a lot of this is the case and Blizzard providing absolutely no info other than "Use the authenticator" is useless to drawing conclusions.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/ ... 2?page=1#5

Use the little Blizzard button to bounce between each reply.

Or go down to "Info on Hacking" and read here.

http://www.diablofans.com/news/1221-dev ... ming-spot/

Tessian's account being compromised an hour (not sure of the duration, but the account was logged out of an hour after we played and he went to bed) after we left a public game suggests the possibility.

Do I even need to go into why this logic is faulty?

Remember that Tessian works IT security as a living and almost certainly didn't have a brute force-able password and likely didn't have a keylogger.

"Almost certainly", and "likey didn't" is what stood out to me here.

The evidence suggests that it isn't just idiots wandering onto gold selling websites and picking up a key logger or people with dumb ass passwords.

I'd love to see the evidence that you and the rest of the internet are pivy to.

There's something going on here and Blizzard isn't being much of a help about it.

No, Sony wasn't helpful when their servers went down and they waited a week to tell us they'd been hacked, the day after these reports came out Blizzard started replying and reassuring users nothing server-side has been hacked, how to recover their accounts, and steps to secure them.

Also I wish there was more of an indication that the authenticator would work on my iPod Touch. Everyone says "phones" but really they just mean Android and iPhones, which I do not own or care to own. I figured the authenticator was somehow tied into the actual phone function of the phone, but you really just need the OS and an Internet connection. In my defense, the fact that it would work on an iPod Touch wasn't offered until I clicked on "add mobile authenticator" at the b.net website.

http://itunes.apple.com/app/battle.net- ... 62897?mt=8

[Shrinweck]

The logic is faulty and that's why I said it was a possibility that's suggested. Not a fact.

I don't have a fucking window into Tessian's entire life so I didn't speak with absolutes - he's not so vane that he wouldn't tell me if he was using a shit password or that his virus scanner picked up a key logger.

By "evidence suggests" I meant that this is a widespread occurrence and if all of it was actually from gold selling websites and dumb ass passwords, then no one would have an argument to stand on and this wouldn't be worth mentioning, let alone writing articles about (dumb people being dumb isn't newsworthy.. it's often IN the news, but you know what I mean here)

And linking itunes doens't help me any more - I mean what's the point of this? I've already said I figured it out and said that it was the b.net website that failed me. You're just being facetious here. Way to go.

Edit: The link to the forum posts was helpful, but it was buried in a locked thread whose topic name doesn't do a good job of explaining the information that ended up contained inside. Not Blizzard's fault, but this is the kind of thing that should be stickied.

[Eric]

I'm not being facetious at all, I was just replying to each part of your post. Don't be so sensitive.

[Shellie]

I had my diablo acct broken into as well. I changed the pw to a really secure one thats even hard for me to type each time. Luckily nothing was taken or changed or anything...Im not sure what they did.

A while back when I started playing WoW again, I played for about an hour after reactivating it (and changing the pw) for the first time in 3 years. My acct was hacked that night and used to goldspam. It happened 3 more times, I got the authenticator on my phone and then my phone was stolen and had to sit on hold with Blizzard for 1hr to get someone to reset my pw and autenticator settings. I stopped playing after that, it wasnt worth it (the game and the BS security). Im not an idiot, and I know what and what not to click on. Why isnt there some kind of account locking in place if theyre doing brute force?

[Shrinweck]

I'm not being facetious at all, I was just replying to each part of your post. Don't be so sensitive.

I'm sorry but when you're semi-patronizingly going through my post sentence by sentence and I get defensive this isn't something that really merits comments about my sensitivity

Also I found linking the app store to be flippant, meriting the response :P There's an edit to my post above about the forum posts being helpful but basically buried in an obscure topic.



Damn, yeah, if I had that experience going back into WoW or any MMORPG I'd probably never feel like playing again either. I'm just lucky that I was able to replace what Tessian lost at little cost to myself (15k gold to replace his armor with decent rares and a 45k socketed legendary to get him back on his feet that he'll give back to me when he finds a replacement). We would have lost ~4 hours of gameplay to the rollback since we're playing these characters together. I've put something like five times the amount of time into my account so if I'd lost all my items, stash, and gold I may not have been willing to come back. Having to add layers of security to your computer to play what is essentially (for me) a single player game 80% of the time, is just some lunacy. When security is such a concern there should really be bells and whistles constantly going off when you aren't using what seem to be necessary precautions. I'd settle for a stickied thread with a descriptive topic title.

[Eric]

I linked you the app store because I honestly couldn't tell if you got it working or not.

[Eric]

Don was right, they're not using brute force either. Your WoW account will be locked out after something like 5 attempts and your D3 account is throttled after a certain number of attempts to prevent that method.

[Shrinweck]

Really? Not finding any information on D3 having a set number of login attempts. I've certainly failed a few times at typing my new password (it contains four digits and for some reason I keep absentmindedly typing four completely different, unrelated digits that hold absolutely no meaning to me) but that's hardly enough and this isn't something I'm going to investigate firsthand haha. I'm not seeing anything anywhere on this. The big limit here is how long it takes Blizzard to time out a login attempt and the fact that it's conceivably nearly impossible to brute force an authenticator. I'm not really buying this as a cause of account compromises other than the kind of people obtuse enough to use "love" or "god" as their password, but you could probably try the common stuff and get lucky from time to time.

[Oracle]

I now have this stupid mobile authenticator.

Haven't logged in with it, will check it out when I get home.

Interestingly enough, this mobile authenticator for a video game may give me some ammo to convince some here at work that multi-factor authentication isn't "just a pain" - people are even protecting their entertainment with it, why not corp info? (we currently use multi-factor with tokens, but they wanna ax them because they are inconvenient to use and provision...)

[Shrinweck]

The only enjoyable thing about the authenticator is testing how fast you can type in the code before it expires (I think there's 1-2 seconds of leeway), but if annoyed gamers can do it then surely actual companies with something worth protecting could use it heh. My Dad works for IBM and has had like six of them for what I want to say is over a decade.

Now that sounds annoying.

[Flip]

I finally died at lvl 52 One of those Puking mother things, Arcane Jailer Extra Health in Act 1 Hell. Maybe I hsouldnt have been in Hell so early, but it was taking wayyyy too long to level up in Act 4 NM so i solo'd Diablo and moved on myself. It was a good run! I'm not bitter and i actually feel strangely satisfied with my 38 hours. I'll probably take a break and may make another charater or I may just say I've been there done that with Diablo 3, I havent decided. I dont have infinite time like i used to. My wiz had 23K life and was doing 5k DPS, but boy can it go before you blink when youre talking about arcane jailers.

[Zeus]

There's zero consequences to dying, I couldn't care less if I die or not

[Shrinweck]

Repair costs ramp up but even in Act 3 NM they aren't entirely prohibitive at death.

I'm surprised you got so far on your first character, Flip. Even my non-HC monk managed to die for the first time in Act 2 NM in the aqueducts. Walls + Molten or fire chains.. can't figure which got him, but walls in an enclosed space made it impossible to move out of the fire :(

[Eric]

There's zero consequences to dying, I couldn't care less if I die or not

He was playing Hardcore you newb. ;p Dead = permanent.

[Flip]

I'm surprised you got so far on your first character, Flip.

Me, too, actually. I had no idea what to expect from the monsters in particular acts and the bosses. Now, I have so much more knowledge, I think I'll make a barb and I'll hopefully do even better. I've talked to a bunch of barbs and looked at their characters and feel like there is a lot of room for improvement damage wise. Why do people not get rings and amulets with the +4-8 dmg, etc? Why do they not get +attack speed gloves and the unique boots that add +attack %? Yes, you need a lot of vit, but i think i balanced vit/int/and dmg pretty well on the wiz, yet people were still surprised with how hard she hit. I ran with a monk (some guy i randomly met who was pretty cool) a lot and while i was pumping 5k he was only at about 2.2k, same with random barbs. Weird.

It wasnt one of the puking mothers from the first quest, it was an advanced one in one of the tombs where you try to find Leoric's crown. I forget what the name of them are. The weird thing is i accidentally hit one of two of her arcane sentry things and it didnt hurt all that much, but suddenly she jailed me and i was dead in a millisecond. I wonder if i was also in a poison pool or something. Blizz should implement a replay of the last 5 minutes of your death, like a starcraft replay. Would be really neat and just as easy as a starcraft replay, i assume.

RIP Gayle (female wiz), welcome Roarrr (male barb). I'll begin again tomorrow most likely.

[Eric]

You went from the ezmode op class to the underpowered fall overdead melee class. GL.

[Shrinweck]

Yeah my barbarian was the only character I've played that died fairly commonly in even normal. Also the people who remain undergeared are probably the ones who spend a great deal of their money in crafting. I know my first several characters were basically gimped until I realized what a money sink it was and started exclusively using the AH and drops. I do take a certain pleasure in logging into these old characters and playing them again after raising their hit points and dps two to three times what they were prior. Even my act two wizard in normal rose from ~700 hp to ~2200 in his round of equipment upgrades.

Normal is mind numbing when you gear properly though :(

[Don]

Even if you don't have something that locks out after 3 attempts (which would stop any brute force attack cold), even if you've something like 'only allow a guy to login 1000 times a second' that'd pretty much stop brute forcing any password of any reasonable complexity. Again it doesn't matter if your computer can actually try a gazillino password a second. The game simply has to establish a reasonable number (and 1000 times a second isn't even remotely reasonable to begin with) of attempts over time and it'll stop any amount of firepower.

Not counting issue like what if you're already keylogged (in that case no amount of security is enough), what people do is if they hacked you before they'll note that your email is something@something.com and that your password was 'Password1'. Even if Password1 is somehow a very hard password to brute force, they can simply figure that most likely you don't change your email or password very often, so 3 years later, Diablo 3 comes out, they can simply try the old email they have with the old password they have (plus a few other very common ones). If it works great, if not they'll move on to something else.

Two-factor authentication is a pain if you ever lose the token, but that's also why it's effective. I don't use it on my games because I don't want to get tied down with 10 different tokens/apps for all the games I play, and it's a risk I'm willing to take.

That said there's probably something they can do to make things more secure, like apply the same battle tag idea. Instead of logging in as something@something.com, they assign you a random number when you create your account so your login is something#1234@something.com. This ensures people can't easily infer what your login ought to be just because they know your email. While security through obscurity is not good security, it's still better than nothing at all. It'd actually take a lot of effort to figure out the #1234 of anyone's account without using a keylogger or some pretty serious phishing attempt.

[Flip]

You went from the ezmode op class to the underpowered fall overdead melee class. GL.

Heh, i've seen a lot of high level barbs, but i guess i'll find out how they ended up getting there. I didnt realize wiz's were considered OP either. I like the idea of stacking vit as much as i can and not feeling bad about it. I'm not sure they are the worst class in HC considering the wiz's and DH's need a tank and I play a lot of public games.

I didnt really leave myself a lot of starter gear, but i do have a crap ton of money so that will be just fine to get things going. I wish you could magically keep all the gear your dead character had on! C'est la vie, this is why there will never be a HC real money auction house.

[Shellie]

Im one of those undergeared crafters ugh! It seemed like the thing to do in the beginning so I just went with it. I end up always finding better drops though. I havent spent much time on the AH..I spend all my money on crafting

[Shrinweck]

Well just make sure you consistently upgrade your weapon and once you start selling your drops the money comes in pretty easily for other equipment upgrades. Find a weapon on the AH by setting a high buyout (to filter out the ridiculous amount of listed items with no buyout) and then sort the results by highest to lowest dps. Buy the weapon with the highest DPS with the appropriate modifiers (life per hit, attack speed, or crit chance are ideal) that isn't listed for a ridiculous price. It should also be socketed and you should throw the best ruby you can find or afford into it. Attack speed modifiers on your weapon(s) and your gloves make for an amazing combination.

Amazing rare armor upgrades can be as cheap as 5k even once you hit the early 40s so one should be careful not to spend out the wazoo.

Rares are best since legendary items are overpriced and underpowered currently. Not to mention you never use them as long as you wish you did.

Here's hoping they make crafting more viable in the future. At the very least combining jewels shouldn't be more expensive than buying them via the AH.

[Oracle]

I didn't really die much on my Barbarian until Hell act 2.

I'm at the point where all I can do on my Barb is farm the warden & butcher in Inferno Act I over an over with 5 Nephalem Valor buffs. I either need new gear, or a new class.

I have all my resists around 300 before buffs, HP is 45K, DPS is 18K before buffs, Armor is around 7K... sigh. 1300 Str and 1100 vit. I am using a 2-hander, however, but I REALLY don't want to have to play a kite&poke barb. I find that no fun at all.

Inferno Act 2 is my wall. White mobs kill me regularly. Especially those freaking flying bugs that shoot other green bugs at you. If I stand there and just take the whole stream of green bugs from one of them, I'm dead.

[Alec]

Just beat Maghda on Inferno as a Barb. Act 2 Inferno is a god damned nightmare (inferno? ba dum ching!) for melee classes.

[Flip]

Lvl 54 Barbarian died on me. : /

This one was pure stupidity on me. I play public games a lot and just chance all the things that can go wrong with public games (terrible teammates, town kills, etc), so i joined a game that was a Butcher run in Hell mode and i didnt ask if a guys TP was safe. In the worst timing possible, i jumped into a portal only to instantly be ice orbed frozen by some uniques that the two current players in the game were fighting. What was also stupid was that i didnt use my armor shout before i jumped in the portal. To be a good teammate i was waiting to use the shout until i got into the dungeon so that everyone would have the armor boost, not just me in town. Well, needless to say, i got frozen again and again while slowly being beaten down, nothing i could do. If i had Wrath of the Berserker as a skill on i think that breaks frozen, but i didnt.

So, i started a Demon Hunter. Probably the worst class for hardcore, but we'll see how i do with that. So far thats a lvl 52 and 54, dead, both who dies in Act 1 Hell. I need to give Act 1 Hell more respect.

[Eric]

Heh I saw a screenshot of Hardcore where some guy had like kited 4 elite hell packs back to Tristram then ducked into Cain's house and just chilled while people joined the game and died horribly.

[Flip]

Heh I saw a screenshot of Hardcore where some guy had like kited 4 elite hell packs back to Tristram then ducked into Cain's house and just chilled while people joined the game and died horribly.

Yeah, lol, thats still pretty common. You have to watch out.

That barb was doing so well, too, no real close calls, def would have rolled him to 60 if i wasnt stooopid. The more i read, the more i see that DH is the hardest class in HC, just way too squishy where you get one-shotted all the time. So expect me to come back and bitch in a week or so!

[Don]

They say people end up having packs of Soul Lashers camping various places in Inferno Act 3 in public games without even trying since those guys seem to see you from 3 screens away and then own you.

[Flip]

They say people end up having packs of Soul Lashers camping various places in Inferno Act 3 in public games without even trying since those guys seem to see you from 3 screens away and then own you.

I cant decipher what you are trying to say, ha.

[Flip]

Ugh. Hell mode is no joke in HC. I've lost 4 characters now in the 50's in Hell Act 1/2, i've yet to even see Hell Act 3. So far its been a lvl 52 wizz, lvl 54 wizz, lvl 58 DH, and lvl 54 barb. None of them to lag, just to me being full retard. That lvl 58 one hurt, i was so close to 59 and i have a beast 60 bow chilling for me in my stash.

However, i now have a lvl 47 DH and this might be my last attempt, i either make my goal or i give up entirely. I dont even care about Inferno, i just want to get to lvl 60, clear Hell, and then be able to comfortably farm Hell Act 3 forever while i earn gold and auction house gear up while i wait for more patches/expansions to spice up this game. Once i get a comfortable lvl 60 i might start a new character but so far i've been putting all my eggs in one basket and only playing one character until it dies.

DH is so fragile, but i like their play style. Massive DPS is sometimes a defense on its own since things can hardly hit you, but when they do it hurts. DH is the worst HC class, so i fully expect to never do Act 2 Inferno, but i dont care about that just yet. IMO, Act 2 is the hardest one. The mobs dont cluster and they are the annoying ones that are invisible, burrowing, or flying. Even NM Act 2 was giving me a few red screens but once i got to A3 it was back to faceroll. I need to get past A2 Hell! This game might be terrible, but it has me as addicted as ever which i'm sure will wane very fast once i get to the end game i.e. beat Hell and get lvl 60. Then, i read, its a huge grind which i am happy to do every so often but not with such ferocity as the journey to lvl 60.

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Dead again at lvl 57, Demon Hunter, on Hell Belial. Crap! There is nothing I could do better, but dodge his meteor attacks to survive this. I had tons of DPS and got him down to 1/4 life left so easily and fast. Dodging his arm attacks was cake but when he sunk in his two fists and started to meteor all it took was two or three quick blasts to drain my 40k HP. I didnt have much resists this early into Hell, which would have helped, but getting resists for a DH is expensive and hard. If i had done this fight before and had the experience, i would have tried to Smoke Screened through that entire phase as opposed to running around.

If i re-roll another DH i might just have someone kill him for me while i wait in town, lol. I was def geared enough for Act 3 Hell, Belial is just a tough sonofabitch.

Maybe one more re-roll, i do love DH's! Just so hard in HC...