The Shrine

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>You'd think I was challenging the foundations of your morals or trying to discount your god/religion or something (which I could actually do a better job of than this)... calm down. This isn't hostile, this is called an argument-- or better yet, a conflict of interests.

If there's one thing you can note from this thread it's that people have attached themselves to the music they listen to so tightly that they're almost zealous... like a whole additional faith system. I'm not saying everyone is like this... just some.

Take a look at some of these threads; note how bare they'd be without arguments or conflicts of interest... or as you like it call it, flaming. I only consider something flaming when every other word is a curse and the flamer doesn't back up any of his claims. Borderline flaming? By definition... but then again so is rap borderline music by definition ;)

point, match</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>"I don't believe it to be music." There's not much room for ambiguity in there. You may have meant something else, but you SAID that rap wasn't music.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>whatever. just because ground gets covered when people scream at each other doesn't mean that ground can't get covered without people screaming at each other. that won't convince me flame wars are a good thing; i don't think they are.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>daytime talk shows get plenty of attention too. not saying this thread is one, just saying that fame does not signify worth.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>And why not? Good beats, good lyrics, good music. It certainly beats the shit outta Puff Daddy and Lil' Bowwow.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>drew, why do you Capitalize random posts and leave Others alone? i'm starting to wonder if You're using some kind of secret Code.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "arial narrow"; text-align: left; padding: 0% 5% 0% 5%; '>Other hand's busy.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I just listened to Weird Al's "Will the real slim shady please shut up" BWAHAHA!!</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Damn, and Christina Aguilera rips on him too! BWAH!</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>something Like that :)</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>who said anything about screaming? I dunno your intents, but I wasn't screaming at all.... methinks you take these things too seriously / personally</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>where? I never said it wasn't, cause as I said it technically is. I just still don't believe it to be</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>The post that started this: "simply put: I don't believe it to be music." You really can't interpret that many ways.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>exactly! I said I don't BELIEVE it to be music; big difference than me saying "it isn't music". Don't see how you can interpret that any other way than being my opinion</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>this is an example of idiomatic expression. you have got to have known what i meant. fucking a. my only point is that shit like "get a life" kind of bugs me. but perhaps I'm being oversensitive.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>that is, if it's said seriously.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>uggggh, nevermind. I just reread the entire thread, and it's not my problem, nothing i need or want to have anything to do with, forget I said anything, nevermind.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>I used to hate Puffy Daddy, but his most recent songs I actually enjoyed. As for Bow Wow he's got talent for a little guy and writes his own lyrics, unlike Lil Romeo, who I just can't fucking stand.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>... You can't be serious. Of course it's your opinion. That doesn't change anything. Everything that comes out of your mouth is your opinion. Something being your opinion doesn't mean it's free from scrutiny.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Seriously...</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>JESUS CHRIST! DON'T YOU EVER SHUT UP!!!! FUCK YOU TESSIAN!! : )</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "comic sans MS"; text-align: left; '>Don't buy it. Download it.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Whatever. I'm still boycotting 'Like Mike.' :)</div>

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>I'd do the opposite. At least some punks scream to the point that they're incomprehendable. No such luck with Eminem. Besides, punk bands have guitars.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I'd rather spend the 12 bucks and get the free DVD</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "comic sans MS"; text-align: left; '>You can download the DVD content.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>In crappy quality</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Heh, despight being one of the heaviest pirated albums in History, Eminems new album still managed to make album sales history in more ways than one, it topped the charts at #1 with 300K sales, it was only on sale one day that week.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "comic sans MS"; text-align: left; '>Of course not.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>..... *backs away slowly, afraid Drew will spontaneously combust*</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>I fail to see your point then</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>Damn straight... set aside the idiot who's starring, the plot is patheti-sad... horrible, Horrible... we're talking much worse than Godzilla (US version) bad</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>I'm ignorant of rap because I don't consider it music? Damn straight I am! That's one thing I am proud to be ignorant of</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Care to explain why you are so exuberant about spreading an ignorant opinion?</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Times New Roman"; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.nme.com/news/101808.htm">Yeah, I'm really scared now...</a>

Careful now, you don't want Eminem coming over to your house and beating your ass to a pulp, do you?</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>lol, and I may have called it that earlier, but I don't find it that. Ignorant only in the sense that I refuse to listen to it. I highly detest rap... the more I listen to it the more it irritates me that people enjoy listening to someone run off at the mouth to a beat about drugs and hoes and god knows what else. It's the only non-concrete hatred I own and one I hold dear. You could almost say I love to hate rap, but I truely do hate rap; even more than stupid people and I wanna ship them off to concentration camps... or better yet, soilent green farms</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I'd say it's the definition of ignorant - and it's willful. Do yourself a favor and stop talking because you sound less intelligent everytime you say something on the subject.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "comic sans MS"; text-align: left; '>He'll lose.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Yes</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "comic sans MS"; text-align: left; '>Turns out that they are high quality. So save your money. Download it. Kill Eminem. =8^D</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>pow!</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Heh, just for that I'm gonna find every song by him I possibly can and share 'em over KaZaa. (I of course won't actually listen to them)</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>ROFLOL!!!! How ironic.. NOT listening to rap is making me dumber...</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Nope. Insisting on spreading an opinion you admit is ignorant makes you sound less intelligent.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>no... if I didn't admit it was ignorant THAT would be less intelligent</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Isn't that the PeoplePC fucknut black kid? He's just as annoying as the Pepsi girl. Fuck PeoplePC! I have enough calls/confusion as it is without having to tell somebody to remove the statically set 192.168 address off their NIC!</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Knowingly spreading an ignorant opinion is no better.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>I disagree.. but in either event there's no pleasing you and this debate is getting old</div>