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  • Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.
Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.
 #16300  by Eric
 Sun May 30, 2004 7:07 pm
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.sclegacy.com">http://www.sclegacy.com</a>

There has been a voting upset I was proud to take part in. :) Check out the article "The Greatest Upset of All Time"</div>

 #16301  by Julius Seeker
 Sun May 30, 2004 8:59 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Final Fantasy 7 or Ocarina of Time will win it just like they do every year, and later on Link or Cloud will win the most popular character. The only problem with that poll is that it only takes one gimp who knows scripts to pour an extra 20K votes onto one of the sides.</div>

 #16305  by Eric
 Mon May 31, 2004 12:37 am
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>lol, so Zelda lost because somebody scripted in a couple thousand votes, I'm sure gamefaqs would catch something that blatent but that's just my way of thinking.</div>

 #16306  by SineSwiper
 Mon May 31, 2004 2:52 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Sorry, but it IS possible to lockdown an online voting system. Any extra 20K votes are because of advertizing or the like, nothing more.</div>

 #16314  by Julius Seeker
 Mon May 31, 2004 3:31 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>On Gamefaqs it is possible to vote as much as you want from a dial-up connection, so it's possible to script in a few thousand. 20K votes is definately an excessive amount, but it is still very possible to do it on Gamefaqs.</div>

 #16315  by Julius Seeker
 Mon May 31, 2004 3:33 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I don't think they would. I liked Starcraft better than Wind Waker so I'm happy it won, but I thought you hated Starcraft? Last time we played you bailed on me because you said the game sucked and I almost lost to a couple of rookies thanks to my rusty skills =P</div>

 #16316  by Eric
 Mon May 31, 2004 3:36 pm
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Errr, it's one of my all time favorite games, it's just that the hacking and abuse became so blatent until recently when Blizzard started coming down on hackers, 200k accounts deleted? That's alot.</div>

 #16318  by Julius Seeker
 Mon May 31, 2004 3:40 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Dude, we were kicking their asses. You quit and said something like "I can't get back into this after playing Warcraft III"</div>

 #16319  by Eric
 Mon May 31, 2004 4:24 pm
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Because I can't. The abuse at the time is ridiculous. Everybody map hacks.</div>

 #16322  by SineSwiper
 Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:18 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Hence the check for IPs. Very simple to check and very easy to remove votes for. Hell, you can have it e-mail the admin if it gets a bunch of votes from the same IP block in a short period of time.</div>

 #16323  by SineSwiper
 Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:19 am
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Well, 200K cheaters later, I don't think it's such a popular thing anymore.</div>

 #16335  by Julius Seeker
 Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:36 am
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>That would only really occur assuming that Gamefaqs really cared about checking their polls daily for stuff like that.</div>

 #16337  by Eric
 Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:44 am
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Well Seeker, if you bothered to read the article at SCLegacy, you'd see they DID check it out.</div>
 #16338  by Julius Seeker
 Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:30 am
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>It would take a lot less to just do it for voting. I'm just pointing out that polls like that are not secure. The same thing happened during the Halo vote, somehow Starcraft just serged ahead several thousand votes. I believe there is probably some fan who knows scripts that has just decided "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if a much less popular game like Starcraft won this poll?"

Speaking of the poll, look at the Chrono Trigger Zelda 3 one up right now, they're tied =P

It'll be interesting to see who wins that one, personally I'm going for Chrono Trigger, but the winner is going up against Super Mario Brothers 3, and I'll vote for that one over Chrono Trigger =)</div>

 #16339  by Kupek
 Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:36 am
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I find it a bit strange that people are taking an inconsequential vote for most popular videogame on some gaming site so personally.</div>

 #16342  by SineSwiper
 Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:35 pm
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Fine. Write me a "script" that changes your IP all of the time, to different subnets even. You can't. The only thing remotely possible is utilizing the distributed backdoor system, and I seriously doubt somebody wrote a virus so that people could cheat at a damn poll on GameFAQs.</div>

 #16344  by Eric
 Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:40 pm
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>ARG, it's like talking to a brick wall.</div>
 #16345  by Julius Seeker
 Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:00 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>A friend of mine, Kadagar, Eric knows him, everyone who played Utopia back in the earlier days knows who he is; and another Wishbone (I believe Eric actually used to work for this guy a few years ago) both have done it for hundreds of accounts before. Kadagar from Sweden somehow manages to maintain accounts with IP addresses from throughout the entire world, and Wishbone (from Pennsilvania) does this with 300 accounts from time to time (whenever it suits him or his Alliances interests).

The purpose of the scripts they use are mainly as an autmated process to get them logged in from the correct locations. Do not ask me how they work, I don't know, I just know that they do work.

This is kind of off topic though, my main point is that unless the Starcraft fans like polls a lot more than fans of Halo or Wind Waker on Gamefaqs; and also that they have a tendency to all login at the same time instead of spread throughout the day like every other game on the site, the whole thing seems kind of suspicious. Just looking at the forums you can see that Halo and Wind Waker are incredibly more popular: You have Wind Waker which has literally 20 times more posts than the Starcraft forums, and then you have Halo which has 50 times as many posts. According to someone on the FFonline forums a while back, they said that they think Gamefaqs themselves scripted in thousands of votes in order for Starcraft to get past Halo.

Well either way, my point is that the polls there aren't secure, if they allow people to vote multiple times, chances are likely they don't really care if people do vote multiple times.</div>

 #16346  by Julius Seeker
 Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:02 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Face it, some Starcraft fan was cheating =)</div>

 #16347  by Julius Seeker
 Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:03 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>In the long run the vote is meaningless, no one will care or even remember it probably two weeks from now. But that's not the point, the point is that it's a competition on the top free videogame website =)</div>