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  • Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.
Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.
 #163133  by Flip
 Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:13 pm
Now that i've officially lived in Colorado for a little over 6 months, i feel like i'm starting to settle in. I really like Boulder and have no regrets on the move. The winter weather has been harsh at times, but the fluffy snow is so different than the east coast ice/slush. A few inches will shut the government down in DC, but here, everyone drives on 6+ inches without a problem. Its certainly the consistency of the snow itself that makes this possible, not the driving skills of the residents, in spite what people try to tell you. The east isnt scared of snow, its just ice more often than not. We've also had some nights here where it got to 0 Fahrenheit, or even as low as negative 10. I've never been in such a cold and it is ridiculous! Luckily, Boulder is usually sunny during the day (one of the sunniest towns in the country, believe it or not, with an average of 250 sunny days a year) and the dry snow just dissipates and skips the whole melt wet phase. So weird.

Unless you've been living under a rock, you know that pot is now legal to buy in CO as of Jan 1 of this year. I've been to a few dispensaries in Denver and this past month Boulder has allowed a few to open, too. Its pretty nice, i must say, and the system is organized and well run. You dont feel all that sketch being in a retail drug store that the rest of the country would find illegal. There is always some tourist inside, though, who looks all nervous about buying marijuana. I dont know what the actual laws are, but it seems every store has cameras and you have to interact with a personal store clerk. You cant just wander around and browse, the store will have 5 or 6 workers and they take you one at a time from an outside lobby to a counter where they show you everything they have, answer your questions, and sell you whatever you want. The ones i've been to have 6 or 7 strands, edibles, wax and glass if youre into dab, and maybe THC oils.

Like coming home and having a few beers after work, it seems totally normal in CO to smoke to relax. Everything is top quality and even with the high tax (the state must be making a killing) i'm paying about the same price i did from my 'guy' back in DC, which is around $20 a gram. Right now, all the recreational stores are converted medical stores, but in October the state is allowing new stores to open up and be recreational. I'm very seriously considering getting in on this phenomenon while its still young and the corps dont have a grasp on it. In July when they start to accept new applications, i might fill one out for the hell of it. To be approved to open up a store would be pretty awesome. I dont even think you need a shtick, just the fact that yore a pot store is good enough for now while its new and exciting to people.

Anyways, thats the state of the state. Thing are running smoothly, its no big deal here, and... pretty awesome. :)
 #163134  by Julius Seeker
 Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:18 pm
As soon as we get the Conservatives out of office up here in 2015, hopefully we'll be legalizing the green as well; the other 4 federal parties are pro-legalization. It seems that the only people against hash pipes are the same guys that are pushing to build oil pipes.

Until then, I'll just pretend I am not jealous of your Colorado laws Flip.
 #163137  by kali o.
 Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:24 pm
I've considered establishing a grow centre (not a dispensary) as I think there is an opportunity there for a start up with the changes from Health Canada due...but to be honest, I don't think I have the experience or cash to make it work. I mean, knowing the strains, getting qualified staff -- it was all pretty daunting when I looked into it. Not to mention the gangs actually still have their fingers pretty deep on the supply side, from years of abuse by the designated grower system.
 #163138  by Blotus
 Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:23 pm
Glad things are working out well, Flip!

Price is a bit nutty to me, but I expected there'd be quite a markup given that it's taxed. Here I generally pay $10/g or $40/5g, but I'd have no idea what the quality differential is when bought from a dispensary vs "a guy."

Buuuuuuut alcohol and smokes are probably half the price of what they are here if my purchases in GA and VA are any indication.
 #163139  by Flip
 Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:42 pm
If you have a medical card, you dont have to pay the really high state tax and prices are great, around the $10 a gram. I dont have a card, though. BUT, before it was legal to the public (so last October/November time frame) i found a 'guy' in Boulder who did have a card and he would buy to sell. His turnaround price, what he sold it to me for, was super low. In D.C. i would usually buy $100 worth from my guy, and my new guy in Boulder would easily give me twice as much for the $100.

So actually, i'm torn to actually to go a public dispensaries and pay what im used to in DC for amazing stuff and variety or to continue being black market since i get way more for my money around here. Its a nice problem to have, though.
 #163145  by Zeus
 Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:59 am
$2 million the first month in tax revenue, almost as much as alcohol's $2.7M average

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?secti ... id=9440209

I don't do pot myself but I think it should be treated the same as alcohol and, more importantly, quality controlled. Glad at least some areas agree
 #163194  by Oracle
 Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:33 am
All I'll say is Flip: Yes, the state is making a killing. That price is insane.

All I thought when I read your first post was "I bet the black market is still much cheaper", which you confirmed.

While the state is making out great on tax revenue, I wonder how hard the black market is getting hit - i.e. are a massive amount of sales transferring from black market transactions to legal market transactions - hurting the black market, or has the volume of pot being purchased since legalization sky-rocketed compared to pre-legalization - expanding market where black market and legal market are both healthy?
 #163195  by Flip
 Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:12 pm
Well, thats not completely true because I pointed out that the legal prices in CO are about the same as the black market prices in DC. but, in CO where pot is all over the crazy place, yes I could get it much cheaper illegally. I'm not sure what to make of that, but I thought it was pretty interesting.
 #163197  by Julius Seeker
 Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:34 pm
I'd take the expensive regulated pot over the cheap unregulated pot. It'd be a nice and funny alternative to drinks once in a while.

 #163203  by Oracle
 Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:47 am
Julius Seeker wrote:I'd take the expensive regulated pot over the cheap unregulated pot. It'd be a nice and funny alternative to drinks once in a while.
I'm sure many are in the same boat as you. I'm not really getting at what my or your preference would be. I'm just saying that if you are paying pre-prohibition prices or higher for legal weed, do you really think the black market will fold up shop, or at least shrink significantly (which I presume is part of the justification for legalization) ?
 #163205  by Julius Seeker
 Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:02 pm
I think the black market will shrink, simply because the customer base will diminish, and it'll b much more difficult to determine if someone is a potential customer or dealer when there is a legal and regulated market.

The bootlegger market still exists for alcohol; but due to the risk they ironically sell for higher prices. Their market is chiefly adults who want drinks after the last call hours (2:00 AM by law here) and also minors. Prices are about 50% higher; but cheaper if you're reliable, of course - just like any illegal trade.

I also think a lot of the home growers, that have previously been industrious, will want to convert their operations into legitimate business.