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Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.
 #163304  by Don
 Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:22 pm
So recently there's a lot of talk about how college athletes should get paid for what they do. We'll restrict ourselves to football/basketball stars for now, since the question is a bit more complicated for your 4th string backup guy though that guy probably isn't getting much money from the school to begin with. It seems like people always argue about how they get an education for free. But just because university education is overpriced doesn't matter when a star player brings value far in excess of his tuition. Since we're talking about a star player here, it's pretty likely that he isn't actually planning on having a non sports related job so the fact that he's getting a degree doesn't really mean much. Even if say you just made it to the pros for 3 years and then flame out and made a million dollars, I'm pretty sure you can go back and finish your degree with a million dollars. Now there's talk about how without a college education you might spend all your money stupidly and become poor, but I think that's a personal issue. I certainly don't remember in college they teach me stuff like: "If you have 50 million dollars and a random stranger ask you to give him 5 million dollars, don't do it." Someone in college is legally an adult and should know what to do with their money, and if not they can hire someone who knows. Sure you read all these stories about ex sports stars are now poor because they can't afford to keep their 25 cars and 5 houses running, but that's pretty much the same as say a guy who won the lottery and then wasted all that money. I don't think you can simply take a class like "Don't buy 25 cars just because you have millions" in college.

In fact this reminds me way back when someone like Andrew Luck chose to delay the draft for a year. He was scheduled to go first as a junior and his stock may drop in his senior year and they say that's easily worth a $10 million or so. Now in his case I think he still got picked first but there are also guys who aren't as lucky and dropped in stock. Invariably I always hear people like 'finishing education is good blah blah blah'. Sure, but your education isn't going to earn you $10 million in the first 3 years. It might not even earn you that much over your lifetime. Given pro sports, especially football, is rather volatile and a short career, it simply makes no sense to put off making money since you never know when you'll suffer a career ending injury, or even just a serious one that turns you from a star to a bench warmer. You can always go back and get an education after you retired. I'll gladly defer my college education if someone gives me even a million dollars to do so, let alone the amount these stars can be making. Even Shaq was able to go back and finish his degree after he retired.
 #163305  by Flip
 Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:49 pm
Its a really tricky situation when your 'amateur' league is collegiate. Part of the reason why i like baseball is the fact that they have a professional minor leagues and very rarely (Bryce Harper and Mike Trout being the outliers recently) do players go from college to the pros immediately. With as much money as some of these colleges make, it makes me wonder why tuition is so high for the non sport students. The whole system is completely evil. I do have a degree that I paid a lot of money for, and i wouldnt be in my career without it, but i bet a college like Alabama (was not my college) could afford to pay for everyone's tuition with their football profits, as opposed to paying the board of directors hundreds of millions of dollars.

I remember reading an article during March Madness about the smartest teams in the tournament. Sadly, Harvard's players werent even in the top 10. When a school like Harvard starts to value hiring good athletes over their academic standards, then we've got a problem. Mayeb they should get paid, i dont really know or care. I choose to ignore college sports, for the most part, because the system is big and just like everything else, its selfish towards the big wigs lining their pockets.

Pro athletes salaries are justified by tickets. They make a lot of money because the revenue supports it from fans. The money that colleges make from tickets, fans, and TV deals?... where the hell does that go? Right into some athletic directors trust funds, i'm sure.
 #163306  by Don
 Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:34 pm
Well college baseball probably doesn't make a ton of money at least compared to football/basketball. I know the coaches get paid millions too, and while that in itself is okay, in a pro sports the players make even more than the coach. And obviously that coach is still not as good as his star player since if that guy is really so awesome that he can turn a bunch of scrubs into a powerhouse he'd be wanted in the pros. If anything at the college level there's even less of a need for good coaching because you do have some colleges that are just overwhelmingly stronger that anyone can coach them pretty well, whereas in pro sports even the weakest team is still at least the top 30th or so team in the world, while in college basketball/football you most certainly don't play a team ranked in top 25 every game.

Speaking of Harvard, I remember one time I saw Cornell playing a powerful college team (might be Kentucky) in the March Madness, and it was close at the beginning and the announcer literally had this Anime speech about how brains can overcome brawn and that although these white guys from Cornell aren't as fast they make it up with their super intellect blah blah blah. Shortly after the other team just dunked all over Cornell and put them away. I thought that was pretty hilarious.
 #163307  by Shrinweck
 Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:37 pm
There's a lot of money in the entertainment industry. When it comes to actors, athletes, and other entertainers it's easy to think they get paid too much. But when the alternative is executives and whatnot getting paid even more, I say fuck that. But college athletes getting paid is a difficult thing to decide on. Sports programs already get way too much attention and funding compared to academics. It's kind of pathetic. When it comes to football you're basically constantly at risk of brain damage or some other traumatic injury and there should be more in place to protect people who get injured to allow them to still get their degrees, with a full ride scholarship from the university they got hurt for. As much as I don't like the idea of students living like fat cat rich assholes (think Justin Bieber except dozens of him, country-wide) I like it more than administrators getting rich off the efforts of others who don't see a dime.

They should be paid handsomely and fairly and people smarter than me should come up with a ton of rules to make absolutely sure they aren't assholes with their money. And it should be highly taxed and regulated and any college that fucks with any rules and regulations should be not allowed to compete for something ridiculous, like two decades.
 #163308  by Don
 Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:49 pm
The paying part is easy. Capitalism works well enough and if they overpaid some guy who turned out to suck that's no different than pro sports. I'm guessing people in college still have less leverage than people in pro sports since a lot of prospects turns out to suck in pro leagues so you shouldn't have to worry about constantly overpaying people unless your school just sucks at evaluating talent.