The Shrine

http://www.wired.com/2015/02/science-on ... lor-dress/



This dress caused a lot of stupid arguments. To the point of unfriending friends and divorcing spouses.

Clearly this is a Zionist conspiracy because this hedge fund guy I work told me so. Those that see it as White and Gold are ISIS Jewish Spies and those who see it as Black and Blue are cylons.

I'm team cylon, if you were wondering.

This directed at me? Grow up, Joey.

Since you brought up Zionism though, I'll just leave this here. Have a good morning!

"Hey, look at me!

My name is Joe and I supported George W. Bush even after he repudiated the Geneva Convention and instituted torture as an official US policy!

I really like starting shit weeks after it's died down because I don't get enough attention at home!"

#comeonbrah

So....are you a Zionist Spy or a cylon?

Light blue and bronze.

Anyone who disagrees with me can go **** themselves while listening to Jefferson Starship.

Why did you even bring this up? What on Earth does the dress have to do with Israel, or the interest of the board for that matter?

The thing that kills me is; whenever these discussions start up, I am always blamed. But I don't usually start the discussion; and this time, I didn't even start any of the drama.

Get a hobby, Joey.

You take things way too seriously. Do you realize what this board has always been about? A bunch of people who like to have fun with each other. Never a day we didn't bust someone's balls. Now I know what bugs you and I'm pressing your jihadic buttons.

So....are you a cylon or a Zionist spy? Or simply put....what colors do you see?

Seeker is clearly playing both fields. He's always been shady, IMO.

Blue and black. Other, clearly wrong, answers are stupid. You're stupid.

I don't even understand what the "issue" or trick is....? And it's white and gold...what the fuck are the rest of you non-ISIS jew spies looking at?!

I futzed about on some sites for different pictures and in my opinion it's white and gold. AND blue. But seriously, I thought the middle picture seemed the accurate and I can see all three colors in that one. I can actually see a little blue in the left one, too. And there's some white in the right picture. So all three. I guess there's black, too.

wtf am I looking at, the 2 on the left look like the flash is just making them brighter then they are! It's clearly Black & Blue. Fucking Russian Putin Sympathizers(I KNOW THE REAL TRUTH!)

Joe wrote:You take things way too seriously. Do you realize what this board has always been about? A bunch of people who like to have fun with each other. Never a day we didn't bust someone's balls. Now I know what bugs you and I'm pressing your jihadic buttons.

So....are you a cylon or a Zionist spy? Or simply put....what colors do you see?

Seeker is clearly playing both fields. He's always been shady, IMO.

You got me! I'm a Zilon.

Joe, you're pretty much proving my thesis that just about anyone who supported Bush post-torture is an overgrown teenager who hasn't matured a day since high school. I tried to apologize weeks ago, and you kind of hmphed at me. I let it go.

Now, weeks later, you're calling me a "jihadist" for fun and kicks in an era where random accusations like that can get someone thrown in a prison cell. Ha ha! It is to laugh, right? When are you going to grow up? I guarantee you that the hedge fund people I worked for, who literally want to start a new world war for their own "fun" and profit, aren't actually kidding about wanting to kill you and a lot of the rest of the planet. I have been to two local police departments and the FBI already about these guys.

This something you want to throw your happy-go-lucky self into and keep never taking anything seriously? Go right ahead, but don't ask me to love you for it.

How do you view yourself, Mental? Are you a charismatic person? Charming?

How do you compare yourself to others? Not just here but at your workplace?

Ever felt empathy for others who have been in distress? Genuine empathy? Or do you feel none at all?

I don't make a point of assessing how I come off to you, Joe. Why do you think I should?

Of course I feel empathy. That is, in fact, why I feel compelled to actually warn you about the shitheads I used to work for.

Do YOU ever feel empathy; for example, for the victims of Anders Breivik, who headed up a Masonic terror cell much like the one that seems to have been starting up at this hedge fund?

How about the several hundred thousand victims of the Bush Administration's repeated torture and bombing campaigns, which you supported?

It seems to me, in fact, that you are the one who doesn't care if other people are bombed or harmed, as long as US planes are doing the bombing.

The fact that I don't like you doesn't make me a sociopath, someone who lacks empathy, or a bad person.

In fact, it is just the opposite: I don't like you because YOU supported torture on an official political level, and seems disinclined to care when others try to warn you of pending terrorism as well.

The fact that I think you're a terrible person doesn't make me one. Go look in the mirror if you're looking for a sociopath; you won't find one here.

In fact, it takes a psychopath of rare degree to support an Administration that very publicly espoused the virtues of torture - then try to paint me as having a lack of empathy.

I have a lack of empathy for YOU; I don't mind admitting that - but only by now, Joey, and only because of your own lack of empathy for others.

You will find that when you are a bad and uncaring person, Joe, MANY people lose their empathy for you.

Tell us more about empathy.

Did you feel any empathy for the victims of 9/11, after the President you supported ignored repeated warnings that American lives were in danger and three thousand people died?

How about this man being held in a dog collar at Abu Ghraib?



Words are very cheap. You have shown no evidence over the years that you feel any empathy at all, given what you have supported.

I also like how, as usual, you ignored everything I said there, in an effort to paint me as uncaring.

I will freely admit I am losing the last of my empathy for you.

I wonder how much of the rest of this and how many questions about what you supported over the years you'll ignore too - because, in the end, it isn't me who doesn't care, Joe.

It's you.

And it appears the desired reaction was achieved.

xkcd

Oracle wrote:And it appears the desired reaction was achieved.

Yes. All too easy.

It's fascinating that he's showing the classic case of "projection". Whatever he said about me was really about him. He doesn't like himself very much it seems. And obviously he's been accused of being a psychopath before as those questions may have already been asked of him and he recognized it immediately and lashed out.

You are a psycho, mental. Perhaps it was Freudian of you to name yourself "Mental" since you knew all along....but on a subconscious level.

Or you have dual personality. One of them is insane and the other is too scared to come out but did manage to identify the other half as "Mental". Sounds like a good movie.

Shrinweck wrote:

xkcd

I still see blue and black.

Yeah it looks like it's blue and black unless you dick around with white balance.

Joe wrote:

Oracle wrote:And it appears the desired reaction was achieved.

You are a psycho, mental. Perhaps it was Freudian of you to name yourself "Mental" since you knew all along....but on a subconscious level.

Like I put any stock into what people who voted for torturers say.

And obviously he's been accused of being a psychopath before as those questions may have already been asked of him and he recognized it immediately and lashed out.

I find it funny that a few weeks ago you said you felt like you'd have to "watch your back" around me, and that somehow you are the one starting shit today. Seems I should be the one watching my back around you, perhaps?

I don't recall that you have a Ph. D. or are competent to diagnose psychopathy.

Here's a helpful guide. Someone disagreed with you on the Internet: not automatically a psychopath!

Would you like to see some psychopaths? Here are some psychopaths. They cheered when three thousand of our people died.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885

And if you think those people are not psychopaths but that I am - then I am quite right to believe you are a human without morals or ethics or value. Having no empathy for YOU when you demonstrate none for others doesn't make me crazy, violent, or medically or otherwise "crazy". It means I don't think you're a good person; and what reason have you given me to believe you are a good one?

I am as far as I am concerned quite right to save my empathy for those who have it for others. I have been guilty of caring TOO much over the years - about the homeless, about the victims of NATO bombing campaigns - caring about the "wrong people", in the eyes of a "man" like you. I care too much about people society would prefer to lie dead, starving, bombed, or otherwise maimed by circumstance.

If I did not care about those people, we'd never get into the discussions we do, and you would not think me crazy today.

Oracle is def right though, I'm a fool for letting you waste my day with this shit and bait me into a waste of everyone's damn time.

Dot dot dot

Shrinnie, what would you prefer me do? I am tired of being accused of mental defect by people who actively support state-sponsored terrorism, torture of America's "enemies", and worse, all in the name of a "War On Terror" that has revoked much of the Bill of Rights in actual practice.

It's a nice thought that if one ignores ball-busting and histrionics of the type Joe is engaging in here, they go away. It also happens to be completely untrue.

I left for years after first trying to engage people in debate about the Israeli men who were caught filming the attacks and cheering. People were talking shit about me years after I left. I came back, tried my best to live within the parameters asked - offered Joe an apology - and here he is, hiding really antisocial behavior behind a veneer of "busting balls" and pulling scabs off weeks-old debates. People are still talking shit.

I guess I'm just supposed to sit back and take it; after all, Joe's "busting balls" is considered a perfectly valid societal form of light sociopathy. So is his support for torture, Bush's wars, the organized slaughter of a few hundred thousand people by NATO forces - because these things were supported by a President, they seem to be completely normalized, despite the fact that they killed probably half a million people and that over a hundred people provably died of state-sponsored torture.

It doesn't make them right, or Joe's behavior here less hypocritical. Just because society supports something, that doesn't make that something right and ethical.

History is full of examples of times when complete and utter psychopathy was normalized by societal leaders.



"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a sick society." --Krishnamurti

Yup, for once it looks like we do agree there.

If you invert the colours of your screen, the dress on the right is very much white and gold. Also, I have noticed that Oracle features two former agents, prominent in ISIS, as his avatar.

The name Oracle also carries the implication that he is a Greek icon who speaks with pagan deities... I am not sure if iconoclastic fanatical assholes like ISIS would appreciate that.

So my question is Oracle, what do you hope to gain by being a conduit by which mortals seek advice from a pagan deity, and supporting ISIS?

Hmmm, Isis is also a popular pagan Goddess. You also claim to be Canadian, but it is my belief that when you filled out the country section in your forum sign-up you were actually lookijg for "Canaanite" and not Canadian at all. Canaan was a region on the levant ruled by Egypt in times prior to Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.

Using deductive reasoning, it is clear! You plan to conquer the former region of Canaan and build a pyramid to communicate directoy with the Goddess Isis. Using Robert E. Howard's writings, I can also conclude that you might even be of an earlier race of person. A snake person and enemy of the Cimmerian tribe. Are you bent on communicating with Isis, or ressurecting the God Set? How does Obama factor into your plans of world domination?

Or I could be completely wrong on this.
This damn dress...

Maybe Oracle's return is what the ISIS people are hoping for! He'll fly down on his winged camel on top of the pyramid looking like Conan the Barbarian (pasty white like most Canadians due to the long winters) wearing a blue and black dress. Instead of a scimitar, he'll have an RPG strapped to his back. Interestingly enough, he'll have an 2012 Obama bumper sticker on the rump of his camel.


oh....here's a great article about the black and blue dress that Mental dares not wear for it is haraam in ISIS.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015 ... dress.html

Wow, a Republican lying and calling someone he doesn't like a Muslim! Who would have thought it, except for all the people who have watched the modern GOP slide into KKK territory at an astonishing rate? Long live that Southern strategy!

Stay bigoted, stuck, and stupid, Joe! Maybe in 2016 you can go throw some peanuts at black people too.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/2 ... 38249.html

Julius Seeker wrote: Also, I have noticed that Oracle features two former agents, prominent in ISIS, as his avatar

BWA HAHA! I'm disappointed it took someone this long to comment on my avatar/ISIS link in one of these threads

Replay wrote:Wow, a Republican lying and calling someone he doesn't like a Muslim! Who would have thought it, except for all the people who have watched the modern GOP slide into KKK territory at an astonishing rate? Long live that Southern strategy!

Stay bigoted, stuck, and stupid, Joe! Maybe in 2016 you can go throw some peanuts at black people too.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/2 ... 38249.html

I prefer to throw my nuts into your mom's mouth. Wait.....are you my love child? If you are, it is your jihadic duty to stone your mother to death for adultery, son.

Jokes about killing parents. Hilarious, Joe. Tell us all more about empathy. Does the phrase "Patrick Bateman" mean anything to you?

You're projecting again, Mental. You reveal more about yourself than you realize. You're just mad that your uncle Hitler (who was part Jewish coz you said it yourself, Ashkenazi people are a superior race. Nazi. Ashkenazi.) didn't finish the job, since you hate Israel so much.

So...is it a blue and black dress or white and gold dress for you? It's okay, you can tell us.

Joey, do I have to remind you yet again that you're not a licensed psychologist of any kind?

You reveal quite a bit about yourself as well : for instance, the idea that excessively thinking about what you or others think of me would somehow make me "normal". Would it surprise you to learn that many psychopaths spend a VERY great deal of time finessing public opinion about themselves and worrying about what others think? Again, look up "Patrick Bateman" for a great exploration of the phenotype.

They can't FEEL what others FEEL, of course - the lack of empathy you mentioned and tried to slap on me as a label is indeed a factor in psychopathy.

Unfortunately for you, I don't suffer from it. Once again, the problem is that I care too much. I care about people you don't care about - Muslims, victims of Western bombings, minorities, the poor - if I didn't, in fact, we'd never get into these discussions.

Caring about YOU is getting progressively harder to do; but that doesn't make me a sociopath either, it just means you're being a jackass, Joe.

It is also again interesting that you equate anyone critical of Israel with Naziism. That is really about as silly and stupid as it's possible to get.

1) I have been very clear to you and others here over the years about my opposition to Naziism (remember that I am half-Jewish and have thus been aggressively demeaned by neo-Nazis myself, called an "Edomite usurper's descendant" or descendant of Herod and other things, and threatened). I get it from both sides, because I am quite critical of both sides. You're just lazy; so you need a child's understanding of the issue, which encompasses only two sides - Israel, which you still believe is virtuous and sainted despite their tendency to kill kids for fun and oppress their neighbors as viciously as their neighbors oppress them, and "anyone critical of Israel", which you somehow define as Naziism. It's a very interesting phenomenon; possibly fodder for a study about how uneducated people understand conflict, in fact. Here's a picture, again, of why I criticize Israel - a Palestinian man holding his butchered baby. As I recall, your political policies have helped foster these situations. So why should I show you empathy, but not this man or his dead child? Do you have any empathy for this man and his dead child?



2) Contrary to what you may think, being critical of Israel is not equivalent with Naziism. In fact, you have rather provably supported more of it than I ever would or will; because you were a Bush supporter, and Prescott Bush supplied Nazi Germany with raw materials in World War II. But I won't expect you're any more ready to see this than you have been the last five times I mentioned it to you. "His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/s ... ndworldwar

3) I want it remembered that I was willing to let this discussion die several weeks ago at the board's behest; but YOU ripped the scab off and needed blood, Joey boy. So don't give me a hard time about bringing all these things up again. I'm willing to chill out and talk about videogames and movies and daily trivialities all that the board wants; but as I have noted before, the one thing I won't do is sit around and let you trash me without defending myself.

This thread got odd...still see white & gold.

While Joe here was ignoring everything I said, I thought I'd show you all my morning.

Our reliable Israeli allies protecting the United States again...this time via an Israeli supporter in Georgia advocating to use a nuclear weapon against the United States if Obama doesn't do what Netanyahu wants.

Really, people; is there any point at which any of you actually start paying attention to threats like this?

Replay wrote: Really, people; is there any point at which any of you actually start paying attention to threats like this?

Might as well start reporting threats in YouTube comments, too.

kali o. wrote:This thread got odd...still see white & gold.

Odd
1. different from what is usual or expected; strange.

The reaction was different from what is usual or expected? I can't even say it was strange, least not for this place (now).

I let most of them go, Oracle. But "use a nuke against the United States" is not something I will ever overlook. I did take the Oath to defend my nation.

I call a jihad on all of you and, obviously, I have access to nukes through my illuminati and jew connections...just saying.

AND THE DRESS IS STILL WHITE AND GOLD.

See, Oracle? When someone just says blithering, stupid shit like kali just did, I legit let it go.

Israel's illegal nuclear smuggling program and supporters of Israel saying shit like "nuke the States" though, I don't let that go. Israel's got about 250-500 illegal nuclear weapons or more, these days, as I would hope most of you know.

Nor do I let it go when I see IDF personnel talking about how "gret" [sic] they thought killing American sailors and Marines on the USS Liberty was; as I did a year or so ago on Facebook.

Hey kal, what makes talking like this okay and overlookable?

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I do appreciate the sentiment there, Seek