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#2) Mental illness remains ignored in the western world. It's a pervasive issue...hell, we see it on this board

We sure do, every time you say you have "terrorist envy" or lie about me, Kali.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexithymia

Are you all really this shocked that police are still racist assholes? Go out in the world for awhile. America has a tremendous police brutality problem and has since Nixon started the war on drugs. It got worse when the "war on terror" came along and Israeli army operatives started training local police departments, but for once, Israel is hardly to blame for the overall epidemic - it's us.

We are a brutal country that beats, mistreats, bullies, and spits vicious hatred at ALL our citizens, not just the mentally ill, until people snap - often disguised as "busting balls" or "just having some fun". We see that on this board too.

I think one thing that would help is greater psychiatric training for everyone in the nation. It would ensure that our police become more than glorified security officers; and it would also teach some of you that you are absolutely fucking unqualified to diagnose mental illness and how little you really know about any of it.

Mental illness doesn't mean "someone believes something you don't" or "someone got angry with you". There are actual qualifications that need to happen and symptoms that must be present in order to diagnose any condition.

Yet the first thing I see just about anyone run to when they start losing an Internet argument is "You're crazy"; and then later, if they KEEP losing, "You're mentally ill."

*shrug*

Tell me, Kal - how would you "treat" me?

Ignoring the fact that you're not a certified medical professional, that you may never be one, that you have no legal authority to diagnose me or medical competence to do so - let's pretend you're not you, and that you're actually a competent medical professional - Dr. Zimbardo, the person who did the famed prison experiment establishing how quickly cruelty spreads in even a FAKE prison - for just a second.

What do you do with me? How do you "fix" me? Do you lock me in a room and not let me come out until I think exactly the way you do?

If the answer is yes, you've just described exactly what is wrong with our mental health and policing system.

You are derailing another thread...tsk, tsk. Stop it.

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I'd treat you by disconnecting you from the internet, entirely and cold turkey. Medication would likely be required (a mood stabilizer of some sort) and you would be required to start heavy involvement with social groups (sports, volunteer, etc). My opinion, without sitting down with you for a full evaluation, is that your underlying issue is primarily biological, not behavioural -- so lifetime medication is probably required. Some accountability and face to face time would be helpful, if only to ensure you are not falling into old habits (the internet, isolation). If you have any close family, they could fulfill that role in lieu of a therapist.

Behavioural therapy would be an option, if your social skills have atrophied due to years of neglect.

Talk about abuse of power. This thread makes no sense out of context. It's almost as if you've censored me over there.

Talk about censorship. See Kali's temper tantrum in moving my posts here to another thread.

To provide the context that Roger Ailes here just took out of this discussion, this was originally on the "Shooting in Madison, WI" thread.

You post anything you like -- just don't derail threads if people make the request.

"Behavioural therapy would be an option, if your social skills have atrophied due to years of neglect."

I had 2500 friends on Facebook, have dozens in real life, and have made 1000 on Tsu in under three months. My social skills have not atrophied. I simply do not do what most people do, and temper my words when it comes to evil, Kali. I'm perfectly capable of being pleasant.

My deliberate choice to call you out does not mean I am incapable of being charming, but you haven't earned it. What have you done over the years to earn that from me?

You post anything you like -- just don't derail threads if people make the request.

Fine, that's fair, as long as you allow me to provide the original context so nobody things I top-leveled this by my own will or effort.

Replay wrote:"Behavioural therapy would be an option, if your social skills have atrophied due to years of neglect."

I had 2500 friends on Facebook, have dozens in real life, and have made 1000 on Tsu in under three months. My social skills have not atrophied. I simply do not do what most people do, and temper my words when it comes to evil, Kali. I'm perfectly capable of being pleasant.

My deliberate choice to call you out does not mean I am incapable of being charming, but you haven't earned it. What have you done over the years to earn that from me?

Those aren't "friends" and you've missed the point. A sociopath can be charming, but that is neither here nor there.

The best thing you could ever do for yourself is unplug entirely, and compensate by establishing face to face (volunteer, sports, etc) social skills. Trust me, I am 100% correct. And if you want to test out whether you've formed an unhealthy dependency, see if you can unplug and join a social outlet for just one month. Rescue animals or something.

Back to the original issue - to address the issue in its original context, you have advocated censoring me *societally* in order to "restore my mental health".

Freedom of speech is a basic right. The ability to censor is also a basic right of a businessplace or recreation area, meant to balance out the right to freedom with speech with power over those who would abuse it or misuse it by local standards; but you do not use this, or advocate it.

You just note that your treatment plan would involved banning me *from the Internet itself*.

How exactly would restricting my First Amendment rights "make me better", in your eyes?

In general, you will find that those people who were censored SOCIETALLY and not just at a local level were often those accused of a few things : madness, heresy, or scientific fraud.

You might also consider how many of those historically censored or reviled early on were censored not because they were "mad", but because they were called mad by those who advocated older things "everyone knew" that were, quite frankly, outright wrong.

Galileo was a perfectly sane man accused of insanity and put under house arrest for claiming the Earth revolves around the sun. A lot of other important men who were laughed at by the societies of their time weren't even that together at all.

Tycho Brahe was a falling-down-drunk alcoholic who used to fall down his lighthouse-tower stairs. Van Gogh was also a drunk and used to haul his canvases around towns drunk and slur at people. Picasso drank, got mad, and beat his wives.

Morse was considered a raging racist bigot. So was Henry Ford.

Cavendish - discoverer of hydrogen - was a notorious shut-in without any social skills at all.

Tesla was an outright obsessive-compulsive hermit.

Pythagoras RAN a secret society of exactly the kind and form of those you refuse to admit exist today and call me mentally ill for believing in.

Would you have locked up Kent Morse, who believed in a lot of conspiracy theories that even I would distance myself from? Restricted his access to scientific journals?

Quid custiodiet ipsos custodes? What makes you competent to say I deserve my freedom of speech taken away by the legal system itself?

http://www.spike.com/articles/5xmj4e/th ... the-better

kali o. wrote:

Replay wrote:Those aren't "friends" and you've missed the point. A sociopath can be charming, but that is neither here nor there.

The best thing you could ever do for yourself is unplug entirely, and compensate by establishing face to face (volunteer, sports, etc) social skills. Trust me, I am 100% correct. And if you want to test out whether you've formed an unhealthy dependency, see if you can unplug and join a social outlet for just one month. Rescue animals or something.

Indeed. I have seen you switch from charming to utterly abusive on the space of a dime. So have I.

Lots of sociopaths - and con men - also say, "Trust me, I am 100% correct" and believe unfailingly in their own personal infalliability and authority.

The animal rescue idea has merit; it certainly will remind me how many creatures out there are suffering far worse than anything you or I have been through - but not on a "mental health" level, just a "being a better person" level. But I see no reason why I should unplug just to undertake animal therapy.

A better question, actually - lots of people in the 1960's would have censored Woodward and Bernstein; indeed did call to censor them, before Frost ran his famous radio show interviewing Nixon and convinced everyone the scandal was real.

Would you have been among those calling Woodward and Bernstein "mad" for exposing corruption nobody knew about, or that nobody cared about before they pointed it out?

Would you have censored Snowden? Manning?

You are rambling...and missed the point again...let me get you back on track.

If you were killing yourself by eating fastfood everyday, I would recommend a diet change. That is not "infringing on your rights"...you lunatic. The internet is part of why you are ill (imo). You.need to unplug. Seriously.

Now, as to the rest of what you said...you are not a Galileo, Van Gogh or even Snowden (despite what you may believe). You are one of the many forgotten mentally ill, socially isolated via the internet and fighting/being fucked with by teenage trolls online.

You want to get better, take my advice.

No, you're just in "TL:DR" mode as usual. Anything you don't want to read is a "rant".

You are one of the many forgotten mentally ill, socially isolated via the internet and fighting/being fucked with by teenage trolls online.

You want to get better, take my advice.

You're not "better", Kali. You're not well at all. Why would I want to be like you? You're an asshole, a manipulator, and your ego is out of control. I've watched you twist things around here and manipulate to win your "war of words" for a long time.

You WANT me to be "forgotten, mentally ill and socially isolated" because it does something for you. I've seen it for ten years here; I remember back in '01-'02 when you showed up - I couldn't believe how callous and pathologically uncaring you were, even then. I remember the way you used to lay into people and put them down just for kicks; which you, I'm sure, will deny.

Of course, if I write more than a few paragraphs here, you'll call it a "rant" again and refuse to read it.

It's sad.

You fit perfectly into what this site has become; but it is not ever what I wanted for this place. I'm so sad at what you and Brendan have turned this site into. I've watched you say things that would get you branded with multiple affective disorders; but like Nixon, you'll do anything for approval or power BUT admit you have a problem.

It's truly funny that you see yourself as a "lovable prick". You know you're an asshole; but you don't think it matters, because you're the RIGHT kind of asshole, apparently.

What a joke.

Replay wrote:It's truly funny that you see yourself as a "lovable prick". You know you're an asshole; but you don't think it matters, because you're the RIGHT kind of asshole, apparently.

What a joke. History will forget you and shit on your ashes.

*shrug*

Continue to kill yourself slowly via the internet, knee deep in delusions and paranoia.

What is with the vitriol? You *asked* me how I would treat you...

PS - I like the original unedited version (which I quoted). Just fyi, the 'lovable prick' thing was given to me by others, as part of the great mod abuse scandal of 2009.

*shrug* Your words might have had some weight with me once upon a time. But you fucked up. You called my family a "family of nobodies" after I told you that my grandfather worked for three Presidents, as you may recall; so you went beyond defaming me to defaming my grandfather - who worked for decades to serve the country I love - the country that is currently being driven into poverty, war, and crushing endless debt by a succession of incompetent or malfeasant officials who took his place and a quiet coalition of foreign bankers most of the world pretends does not exist.

So that will do for one half of "what is with the vitriol", and as for the second half - I asked you what your "treatment plan" would be not to reveal my psychological flaws, but yours. Defaming my grandfather killed your credibility with me, and reminded me how easily you lie and defame people when YOUR anger - the anger you pretend you don't have, the anger that drives your need for the "war of words" from whatever devastated childhood YOU had - but that permeates every fucking facet of our interactions - flares up.

Very specifically, you believe you are so much better than me that you should have societal - not just personal - authority to censor my First Amendment rights; that you should be allowed authority, but that I am unqualified even to have free speech. You believe this because my anger is open; but yours is hidden - even to yourself.

That's what bothers me.

I'm still willing to have this discussion with you in kindness and respect; but only if people extend it to ME. Ever since I started asking questions about 9/11, I have been treated like a goddamned LEPER, Kali; and it's not right.

When five Israeli men who cheered the BUTCHERY of our people and somehow happened to be present with foreknowledge of attacks that shocked the world are ignored, but I am compared to the fucking NAZIS for asking questions about why they'd be happy that OUR American people are dead - OURS, not YOURS, it didn't happen to CANADA, yet like so many foreign nationals without a strong sense of identity, you have latched onto an American identity and pronounced yourself fit to discuss American geopolitics - there's something very wrong with your definition of what is sane and what is not.

What particularly bothers me is that I have been accused of "not caring" and indeed worse over it all; that somehow, because I ask questions about Israelis who were happy to see Americans dead, somehow I'm the one suffering from disaffect.

As I have noted before, if I didn't care, I wouldn't say anything at all.

I get in trouble here not because I don't care; but because you don't. You and Eric and Oracle and Brendan and others don't care - what evidence do I have that you care about the three thousand who were butchered in New York by Israeli spies, with the act blamed on "Muslim terrorists" so that trillions could be siphoned from America and repurposed towards attacking the entire Middle East? You don't even care about the pictures of the Arab babies I show you with their heads BLOWN OFF by IDF soldiers. You don't care about much of anything that isn't a free torrent of work that others worked very hard on, it seems.

So that will do for the vitriol as well.

I may not be Galileo or Van Gogh - indeed I may never be important on that level, probably never will be - but as far as I can tell, since I spend my spare time making schematics for solar and hydrogen vehicles and GPGPU computer vision systems, I just might be more likely to invent something important for the world than a realtor who spends his time selling properties others have made and who comes home every day to a pile of pirated movies and games. And I understand how easily such men were reviled for saying things that others weren't ready to hear, by now. Indeed I understand why Joan of Arc, possibly the most pious warrior of the Hundred Years' War, was captured by foreign mercenaries and burned at the stake for "heresy" - the Burgundians didn't care anything about her piety, about her visions given to her to save France from the English terrorism of the time.

All they knew is that they didn't believe her and they hated her guts.